seismologist
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Were there any sequels that actually improved on Gamecube? I always hear how the N64 versions were better.
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Are any Gamecube games better than the N64 version?
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Do The Mario
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Well I think most of the games are of equal quality to there N64 counterparts, mostly a graphical upgrade.
Anyway a point nobody has stressed this gen is Nintendo no longer has a console that is significantly more powerful then its competition.
Maybe Nintendos games are as good as ever but the competition has just caught up.
and yes
Rouge Leader >> RS
Anyway a point nobody has stressed this gen is Nintendo no longer has a console that is significantly more powerful then its competition.
Maybe Nintendos games are as good as ever but the competition has just caught up.
and yes
Rouge Leader >> RS
I think the games are about as good, maybe slightly worse.. but part of plugging in the new Zelda or Mario game has allways been this sense of wonder and doing something unlike anything before it.. you know that feeling the first time you wandered around in Mario 64.. that sort of stuff is gone when you are playing more of the same. Kinda hurt the games overall feel.
Alex Anderson
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I don't want to open a can of worms here, but add Mario Kart to the list.
seismologist
Banned
well thats good news for me. I've been getting into N64 laely so looks like I wont be missing much.
It's amazing that I can pick up these games like Mario Tennis and Mario Kart for like $5 and they're better than the GC version
It's amazing that I can pick up these games like Mario Tennis and Mario Kart for like $5 and they're better than the GC version
Alex Anderson
Member
seismologist said:It's amazing that I can pick up these games like Mario Tennis and Mario Kart for like $5 and they're better than the GC version
Mario Kart DD >>> Mario Kart 64
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No one's played Mario Tennis GC yet
Wave Race: Blue Storm > Wave Race 64
Super Smash Bros Melee > Super Smash Bros
Mario Kart: Double Dash!! > Mario Kart 64
F-Zero GX > F-Zero X
Animal Crossing > Animal Forest
Paper Mario 2 > Paper Mario
Also, Mario Power Tennis might end up being better than Mario Tennis 64, but that's going to be tough.
Super Smash Bros Melee > Super Smash Bros
Mario Kart: Double Dash!! > Mario Kart 64
F-Zero GX > F-Zero X
Animal Crossing > Animal Forest
Paper Mario 2 > Paper Mario
HELL no. Pokemon Colosseum destroyed my hopes for a new Pokemon Stadium, that's all I wanted, a new Pokemon Stadium game so I could fight through tournaments like the originals, and what I got was a half completed Pokemon Stadium and a shitty RPG mode that I was forced to play through just so i'd have Pokemon to use in the tournaments. You can't even RENT Pokemon in Pokemon Colloseum, it's impossible for me to verse my friends because they don't have GBA and 200 hour Pokemon GBA files. Plus, the mini games in 1 and 2 were a nice distraction, and i'd go as far as saying they're better than the entire RPG mode in Pokemon Colloseum.
Also, Mario Power Tennis might end up being better than Mario Tennis 64, but that's going to be tough.
ravingloon
Member
F-Zero is. Haven't played Mario Kart (One of the few Nintendo franchises I genuinely don't like), but I can't see how that one isn't also. Still, pretty disappointing when you actually sit down and think about the question.
Grubdog said:I have a GBA and Pokemon and love it, but I started a new file just before I got PC (stupidly), and never bothered to level them up.
Oh snap, misread your post there.
Rental Pokemon were alright, but IIRC, they weren't as powerful or customized.
yeah, gamecube sequels are consistently worse than their n64 predecessors. mario, zelda, waverace, mario golf, mario kart, 1080...starfox is certain to join that list.
i like f-zero gx better than f-zero x, but only because i enjoy gx's graphics while i enjoy nothing about the n64 game. most hardcore fans seem to prefer x.
i like f-zero gx better than f-zero x, but only because i enjoy gx's graphics while i enjoy nothing about the n64 game. most hardcore fans seem to prefer x.
Alcibiades
Member
Super Smash Brother GCN >>> Super Smash Brothers
You can't really understate how much better Melee on Gamecube is. The music alone makes it worth a purchase, and probably has some of the best, most hummable music of any game this generation. The gameplay is fast and the multiplayer feels great, not slow at all like on the N64. There is an excellent one-player mode as wel.
You'll find great tracks from games like Pokemon, Zelda, Kirby, Mario, Dr. Mario, Star Fox, Metroid, etc... and the new mixes are great and a pleasure to listen to everytime. IMO, it's one of the best games this generation, and for anyone that is a fan of just a couple of Nintendo franchises, this is a must-buy, whether they are into fighting games (not that this is a traditional fighter at all, just as Mario Kart isn't a traditional racer) or not.
Mario Golf GCN > Mario Golf N64
I think Mario Kart GCN equals Mario Kart N64, although the characters and some environments, while maybe less inclinced toward being good racing tracks, are great Mario Kart tracks in Double Dash...
Mario Sunshine is just kind of different from Mario 64 cause there is a fundamental action that Mario has in each one that is different for each version...
If you look for storytelling and charm, as well as sense of wonder, Zelda GCN is better than N64, but if you are looking for level design and gameplay pace, Zelda 64 is better. Bosses in both are good, though I really like the challenge of trying to do Zelda 64 bosses w/ only 3 hearts, minimizing the number of errors one can make...
Honestly, I'd rather pay $15 more for GCN versions of some of these than just $5 for used N64 versions, as the graphics on N64, while not ugly, have a dated look to them at this point...
You can't really understate how much better Melee on Gamecube is. The music alone makes it worth a purchase, and probably has some of the best, most hummable music of any game this generation. The gameplay is fast and the multiplayer feels great, not slow at all like on the N64. There is an excellent one-player mode as wel.
You'll find great tracks from games like Pokemon, Zelda, Kirby, Mario, Dr. Mario, Star Fox, Metroid, etc... and the new mixes are great and a pleasure to listen to everytime. IMO, it's one of the best games this generation, and for anyone that is a fan of just a couple of Nintendo franchises, this is a must-buy, whether they are into fighting games (not that this is a traditional fighter at all, just as Mario Kart isn't a traditional racer) or not.
Mario Golf GCN > Mario Golf N64
I think Mario Kart GCN equals Mario Kart N64, although the characters and some environments, while maybe less inclinced toward being good racing tracks, are great Mario Kart tracks in Double Dash...
Mario Sunshine is just kind of different from Mario 64 cause there is a fundamental action that Mario has in each one that is different for each version...
If you look for storytelling and charm, as well as sense of wonder, Zelda GCN is better than N64, but if you are looking for level design and gameplay pace, Zelda 64 is better. Bosses in both are good, though I really like the challenge of trying to do Zelda 64 bosses w/ only 3 hearts, minimizing the number of errors one can make...
Honestly, I'd rather pay $15 more for GCN versions of some of these than just $5 for used N64 versions, as the graphics on N64, while not ugly, have a dated look to them at this point...
Alex Anderson said:No one's played Mario Tennis GC yet
I have. the couarts feel small =/
But it has been ages since I played the N64 version so I can't clearly compare the two. Feels a little "fast and loose" imo. but should be fun, I want to test out the multi on monday before I decide if I want to pick it up when it drops in price a bit.
I think Mario Kart DD is better than 64. SSB is kind of a draw because I have grown to love every single aspect of the original esp. its flaws.
I liked WW a shit ton but it needed more content, it shat all over the "feel" of OoT though, just didn't have the content to top it in that regards.
EDIT:
Oh yeah.
SMS >> SM64
Suck it down haterz. PLay control pwnes you
SMS >> SM64
Suck it down haterz. PLay control pwnes you
You people need to go back to Mario Kart 64 and play it. It's got issues with getting stuck on walls, getting reset in areas where you can't get enough momentum to make the jump(first ice course) and randomly spinning out cuz of terrain mapping.
While Mario Kart DD is more like a different flavor than another level, it doesn't have any of these issues and the control is even tighter.
While Mario Kart DD is more like a different flavor than another level, it doesn't have any of these issues and the control is even tighter.
Smash Bros. Melee and Paper Mario 2 stand up well against their N64 counterparts (which still hold up well today). Mario, Zelda, Waverace, and F-Zero were all better on N64 IMO.
In addition to those games, if you're getting into N64 be sure to check out:
Beetle Adventure Racing
Pilotwings 64
Starfox 64
Blast Corps
Conker's BFD (if you don't want to wait for the XBox remake)
Rayman 2 (if you don't have the DC version; the N64 R2 is better than PS2's port)
SF Rush
SF Rush 2049 (again if you don't have it on DC)
Mischief Makers
Goemon's Great Adventure
In addition to those games, if you're getting into N64 be sure to check out:
Beetle Adventure Racing
Pilotwings 64
Starfox 64
Blast Corps
Conker's BFD (if you don't want to wait for the XBox remake)
Rayman 2 (if you don't have the DC version; the N64 R2 is better than PS2's port)
SF Rush
SF Rush 2049 (again if you don't have it on DC)
Mischief Makers
Goemon's Great Adventure
Robert-GCA
Member
Even not owning F-Zero X, I know GX is better. If not only the visuals, hardr difficulty, there is a ton to unlock, story mode, and the garage where you can put your own ship together from the hundreds of parts and add decals. Its a no brainer that GX > X.
I am going to pick this out again because I think it is crucial. Tight control is key.etiolate said:
That is exactly what makes SMS more enjoyable to me now than Sm64.
More and more I cannot be hassled with playing a game with shit tastic controls. I want to really be in command of the character. I will make a few exceptions if the content is compelling (GTA:SA) if I have an affinity for the series/concept (RE... zombies!).
Mario Kart DD was a few tracks short of being bliss, the actual driving in the game is spot fucking on, and while I have certainly had more fun with mario kart 64 because I played it more, (i am not in college anymore, no more 6 hour mario kart / SSB multiplayer binges) I can tell this game would have owned those gatherings.
double dash features better racing than 64, but the racing is still only good for a couple hours of idle play. the whole point of mario kart -- or at least post-snes mario kart -- is battle mode. and double dash's battle mode is a disaster. 64's battle mode was tremendous fun in spite of the fact that the block fort was the only well-designed arena. all double dash needed to give us were several arenas of that quality. instead it gave us no arenas of any quality at all. sigh.
oh, and double dash's cheating ai took all the joy out of the single player game. 150cc was just a matter of repeating courses ad nauseam and praying that you didn't get taken out in the last several seconds. ridiculous.
oh, and double dash's cheating ai took all the joy out of the single player game. 150cc was just a matter of repeating courses ad nauseam and praying that you didn't get taken out in the last several seconds. ridiculous.
Alcibiades
Member
Do people that think Smash Brother N64 is better than Smash Brother GCN actually play both for lengthy times within certain time periods...
I loved the N64 version, and while I've gone back to play it a few times, the music, levels, and slowness just kill it for me now...
While the totally unbalanced nature of the N64 game can be an element of fun, I think the music and levels alone in the GCN version kill the 64 version, not to mention the great single-player modes...
I loved the N64 version, and while I've gone back to play it a few times, the music, levels, and slowness just kill it for me now...
While the totally unbalanced nature of the N64 game can be an element of fun, I think the music and levels alone in the GCN version kill the 64 version, not to mention the great single-player modes...
Efralope, there are two things that make you enjoy a game:
1. The average quality of the game. And in this SSBM totally slaps SSB...
2. How much the game wows you....But here SSB wins by a long shot. I don't know why but SSBM only spinned on my GC for a couple of months. I got bored very fast while this never happened with the N64 version.
I don't know what happened but SSBM failed to wow my brother and me...
1. The average quality of the game. And in this SSBM totally slaps SSB...
2. How much the game wows you....But here SSB wins by a long shot. I don't know why but SSBM only spinned on my GC for a couple of months. I got bored very fast while this never happened with the N64 version.
I don't know what happened but SSBM failed to wow my brother and me...
Alcibiades
Member
wow, I don't think this at all, I think I can do really well every time, and while the computer can get lucky, well, so can I (and it has happened), it's not really a one-way deal...drohne said:
With the N64, it was almost like blatent cheating by the computer... I've put in many, many, many hours into Double Dash both single-player and two-player co-op, and there is not way "cheating" by the computer is any more a factor than it was on N64, in fact, in 2-player co-op, with a good partner we can be really dominant...
Yeah. We played SSB and Melee back to back a lot. There are aspects of both games that are increadibly satisfying in both. the slowness and the physics in the first one allows you to do stuff you will never do in melee. The thing that keeps us coming back to melee is certainly the character count. fuck the music. Sure it sounds better, but it is totally a non factor when it comes to 4player throw downs.
I actually think SSB had a better intentianol balance than melee. Melee has a balance based of the the sheer number of characters and move sets canceling each other out, I think there was some degree of intentionality to it, but also a factor of "Woah, this works don't fuck with it anymore guys"
I can understand the opinion that MK64> DD when battle is considered the battle on DD sucks. But we never play battle because it was dumb on N64 too imo. So the pure and polished racing of DD wins out.
I actually think SSB had a better intentianol balance than melee. Melee has a balance based of the the sheer number of characters and move sets canceling each other out, I think there was some degree of intentionality to it, but also a factor of "Woah, this works don't fuck with it anymore guys"
I can understand the opinion that MK64> DD when battle is considered the battle on DD sucks. But we never play battle because it was dumb on N64 too imo. So the pure and polished racing of DD wins out.
Alcibiades
Member
I don't get what you mean by "average quality", as in, after both being released SSBM is better, but SSB was a better game without SSBM, but SSBM is not as good as it would be with SSB having being there first?ourumov said:Efralope, there are two things that make you enjoy a game:
1. The average quality of the game. And in this SSBM totally slaps SSB...
2. How much the game wows you....But here SSB wins by a long shot. I don't know why but SSBM only spinned on my GC for a couple of months. I got bored very fast while this never happened with the N64 version.
I don't know what happened but SSBM failed to wow my brother and me...
I don't think the guy was asking which was better the first time you played them, but lets say someone goes in never having played either SSB or SSBM, or is only going to own one version, wouldn't you say SSBM is the way to go...
I've tried going back to SSB, which is good, but it's just way to slow to be enjoyable 2-4 player stuff... The framerate is terrible and the character move really slow...
I don't think it was a "wow" factor with SSBM that makes it enjoyable for me, it's the gameplay, multiplayer, levels, challenges, but especially the music...
Alcibiades
Member
well, I've got my music/sound ratio at about 75/25 or something like that, cause yeah the sound effects (while excellent), will get in the way of the music...
I just find the music makes some matches really epic and/or more interesting, especially Foundation of Dreams, Pokemon Staduim, and Yoshi's Island (SNES Mario World stage)...
Marth vs. Link in a showdown with the powerful Kirby music in Fountain of Dreams is just awesome....
I just find the music makes some matches really epic and/or more interesting, especially Foundation of Dreams, Pokemon Staduim, and Yoshi's Island (SNES Mario World stage)...
Marth vs. Link in a showdown with the powerful Kirby music in Fountain of Dreams is just awesome....
Regular battle on DD is not so fun, but bomb-blast and shine thief are wacky fun. Actually, it seems like the battle levels were designed more with those games in mind. Perhaps they just work better for those games. I love getting a fat stack of bombs in Luigi's Mansion and then driving up to the top level and tossing them down through the roof. It's like Hiroshima.
Alcibiades
Member
true, bomb blast is a load of fun, but ESPECIALLY in the Luigi's Mansion stage...etiolate said:
What? That's never happened to me, if I was having a good race and racing well I had no troubles winning while the rest of the pack was a fair bit behind.drohne said:
As for battle, yeah I remember having lots of fun with MK64s, but it doesn't have SHINE THIEF. Shine thief makes any stage fun, also bob-omb blast isn't that fun, but it's awesome fun on the GameCube stage.
I didn't have fun with MKDD's battle mode at all. The stages all sucked in design. One of the things I don't like about EAD games this gen is that they don't offer as much substance as needed. Except for Pikmin 2, they've all been rushed out the door. I was expecting way more tracks in single player and battle mode for MKDD.
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
SilentHill said:
What does metroid prime have to do with Nintendo ports I mean Remakes I mean franchise titles this gen?
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
Grubdog said:
Just using it as a way to say half of Nintendos titles this gen are glorified remakes/ports of N64 predecessors.