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[doemaaan]

Wow, I'm actually stunned. Twitter is INsane right now. The #ps4nodrm / #ps4usedgames tags are constantly updating.

 

[schwabdizzle]

This used games thing for next consoles is getting out of hand. PC's do not have used games so Why do people think consoles still should? This isn't the eighties and nineties anymore.

 

[Impeccable]

Why aren't you guys including Activision, EA, UbiSoft, ect... these big developers should also be included in the campaign.

Because Sony is wavering.

 

[MMaRsu]

This used games thing for next consoles is getting out of hand. PC's do not have used games so Why do people think consoles still should? This isn't the eighties and nineties anymore.

Are you seriously dumb or just ignorant?

 

[something fishy]

Screw the publishers, this is Sony's choice!

Not if the publishers were to drop them or just put single use codes on all ps4 versions.

 

[Krusenstern]

This used games thing for next consoles is getting out of hand. PC's do not have used games so Why do people think consoles still should? This isn't the eighties and nineties anymore.

Wrong thread. We have a couple threads here on GAF which discuss on that matter.

 

[IonicSnake]

It can't hurt, so I've whipped together an open letter / call to action page:

http://gofreak-ie.appspot.com/ps4usedgames

Feedback on the wording or content or other ideas welcome.

Retweeted this!

 

[schwabdizzle]

Are you seriously dumb or just ignorant?

I understand why people want them, but at the same time I don't hear people bitch about it with PCs.

 

[Impeccable]

Not if the publishers were to drop them or just put single use codes on all ps4 versions.

0% chance publishers make anywhere near the same amount of money being exclusive without money hats... even with noused games.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

It definitely is, but redditors work in mysterious ways. I've done a few posts about the subject, including various links, and everyone gets deleted.

This one, which is a bit creative because there's a big image attached to it, still stands:
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1f4qde/twitter_protest_against_drm/

So everyone with a reddit account - everyone - should just press that little up arrow.

UPDATE: It's on the front page of /r/gaming now. KEEP PRESSING THAT LITTLE ARROW!

now #2 on reddit's gaming section

 

[Laranja]

I've done my part!

 

[MMaRsu]

Not if the publishers were to drop them or just put single use codes on all ps4 versions.

Publishers dropping Sony? Yeah I doubt that.

I understand why people want them, but at the same time I don't hear people bitch about it with PCs.

And there are a myriad of good reasons for that, none of which exist for these consoles.

 

[cyberheater]

This used games thing for next consoles is getting out of hand. PC's do not have used games so Why do people think consoles still should? This isn't the eighties and nineties anymore.

Yes but consoles don't have those magnificent Steam sales and the prices for games on PC are also a lot cheaper.

 

[Impeccable]

Yes but consoles don't have those magnificent Steam sales and the prices for games on PC are also a lot cheaper.

Also, BC forever, mods, little worry about servers dying.

 

[something fishy]

0% chance publishers make anywhere near the same amount of money being exclusive without money hats... even with noused games.

Ea did not drop the online codes for nothing.

I honestly think people are dreaming if they think they can stop it and EA will just leave it open on ps4 thus screwing over the bone.

This will be a system they can apply to both or online codes would never have gone.

Ill be sticking to pc and wiiu if so but I really think we need to be prepared for it on the two new machines.

 

[BruiserBear]

This used games thing for next consoles is getting out of hand. PC's do not have used games so Why do people think consoles still should? This isn't the eighties and nineties anymore.

So because PC games do it, we console folks should just accept any sudden change to the rules as we know them? That's some pretty flawed logic.

Before anyone demands the rules suddenly change for anything, the smartest response is always "why"? Microsoft's response of "teh cloud" or "automatic game updates" are laughable.

 

[Carl]

Literally in awe of how many tweets are pouring in under #PS4NoDRM. Great stuff. You guys rock.

 

[Stuart444]

I understand why people want them, but at the same time I don't hear people bitch about it with PCs.

There is more people who play on consoles and those same people would prefer to not go to PC because of that. (particularly people who trade in old games to buy new ones)

Then there is the prices on PC actually being competitive so no used games isn't as big of a deal (for the people who buy used because they are cheaper)

And of course, for games that may be out of print at retail, you can usually find them digitally and for a good price on PC instead of not at all or for a very expensive price on consoles.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Ea did not drop the online codes for nothing.

I honestly think people are dreaming if they think they can stop it and EA will just leave it open on ps4 this screwing over the bone.

This will be a system they can apply to both or online codes would never have gone.

Ill be sticking to pc and wiiu if so but I really think we need to be prepared for it on the two new machines.

the worst case scenario i see is sony leaves it up to the publishers and we'll see how consumers react with the publishers that do. I could see sports games not being affected since they're disposable $60 annual items. But i don't think its a given they all would use it

 

[Audioboxer]

As many have already said the PC pricing market is competitive. Sony and Ms will never price as cheap as it is on steam.

 

[something fishy]

the worst case scenario i see is sony leaves it up to the publishers and we'll see how consumers react with the publishers that do. I could see sports games not being affected since they're disposable $60 annual items. But i don't think its a given they all would use it

Not long to find out thankfully.

Best case is they do back out, forcing ms to do the same and forcing ea to ditch it too. Can't see it but hope so.

 

[bakedpony]

the worst case scenario i see is sony leaves it up to the publishers and we'll see how consumers react with the publishers that do. I could see sports games not being affected since they're disposable $60 annual items. But i don't think its a given they all would use it

The thing is, Sony can't stop publishers for coming up with a system that does some sort of DRM. As long as Sony is not the one implementing it for all games, then that is enough I think.

 

[hammster]

Anyone else feeling uneasy about the radio silence from their end?

 

[schwabdizzle]

Yes but consoles don't have those magnificent Steam sales and the prices for games on PC are also a lot cheaper.

Well what makes you think that they would not. If you used games are eliminated the consumers will buy less games and force publishers to drop price quicker depending on sales. Once they see that people quit buying their games at $60 they will drop faster. Compared to now, I think it will come faster and games this gen are fucking cheap. I got Dead Space 3 two weeks after launch on PS3 for $40. If people do not want to buy X game at $60 publishers will be forced to drop price faster, its that simple.

 

[Stuart444]

the worst case scenario i see is sony leaves it up to the publishers and we'll see how consumers react with the publishers that do. I could see sports games not being affected since they're disposable $60 annual items. But i don't think its a given they all would use it

The reason I would be okay with leaving it to publishers is because I'm sure at 'least' some of the smaller pubs wouldn't do it. And of the big pubs that would do it (I don't think all would though EA would most likely do it), I would avoid the games that make use of it and thus not support the practice.

All it means is, I'd probably buy less AAA games. For people who ONLY play AAA games though, I can see why that might be an issue for you though.

 

[Y2Kev]

I actually don't mind DRM as long as it easily allows me to purchase second hand games. If they want me to enter a serial code or whatever that I can easily transfer (or someone else can easily transfer on my behalf), I won't really care...I just do not want private sales being put onto some exchange where Microsoft/Sony is the counterparty. No. NO.

 

[Bittercup]

This used games thing for next consoles is getting out of hand. PC's do not have used games so Why do people think consoles still should? This isn't the eighties and nineties anymore.

PCs should have used games as well and retail copies without DRM and it's sad, that only a minority still complains about this.
But this is another topic and here it's about the PS4 (although I'd do wish those discussions would made people think about the situation on the PC market as well)

And right before the launch of a new console generation it's the best time to protest before DRM methods are implemented rather then just go with it.
DRM-free is not an outdated relict from the eighties and nineties. It's the way games should be and this won't change. Giving up your rights is not a more modern approach.

 

[KemoSabe]

Can we please add #regionfree?

Pleeeaaase Sony.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Anyone else feeling uneasy about the radio silence from their end?

Several Sony employees have tweeted about how happy they are to see how passionate PS fans are. But don't expect them to say anything officially until E3. They're just on complete lockdown about PS4 info until then.

 

[lynux3]

"DRM" is at the top of the trending topics. Success?

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

Would it be possible for us all to stay focus? We don't need a pc vs. console war in this thread.

 

[MMaRsu]

Can we please add #regionfree?

Pleeeaaase Sony.

Well the Ps3 is already regionfree so ...

 

[Hydrargyrus]

Seven tweets later, I think I did my part.

I hope this will continue untill they say something.
Your turn, Sony

 

[Lokbob]

Steam got massive hate during the first years, its not like PC players just took it with open arms.
They offer good free services and competitive prices though - MS won't.

 

[benny_a]

Well what makes you think that they would not.

Steam has competition on the PC.
Steam has even competition on games that only exist on Steam. (Steamworks)

UK prices for new games are falling very quickly because they have competition of used games.

You can't just claim the opposite will also happen, as if that's a given.

 

[Stuart444]

Several Sony employees have tweeted about how happy they are to see how passionate PS fans are. But don't expect them to say anything officially until E3. They're just on complete lockdown about PS4 info until then.

Yup, and that's why. They shouldn't speak about something they can't if it costs them their jobs. This is about letting us, the consumers, voice our thoughts and feelings on this.

It's better than doing nothing and hopefully at E3, we'll hear the answers we want. Hopefully. #BELIEVE

 

[Flightmare]

Destructoid (Jim Sterling)
http://www.destructoid.com/gamers-make-it-clear-to-sony-they-want-a-drm-free-ps4-254624.phtml

 

[JimmyRustler]

Well what makes you think that they would not. If you used games are eliminated the consumers will buy less games and force publishers to drop price quicker depending on sales. Once they see that people quit buying their games at $60 they will drop faster. Compared to now, I think it will come faster and games this gen are fucking cheap. I got Dead Space 3 two weeks after launch on PS3 for $40. If people do not want to buy X game at $60 publishers will be forced to drop price faster, its that simple.

Quite contrary. With no used game policy I think it will take games a lot longer to drop in price.

Not that I have a problem with it though. It's not like this wasn't the case in previous generations. You know, the times where "Platinum" versions of games meant that the game dropped in price.

 

[tusken77]

 

[Shahed]

I don't buy used. But I want to be able to sell my games. I've made over £200 already this year selling old games. All of that has gone towards further gaming purchases. Selling my games funds around half of what will be bought in the future. Stopping used games would mean I'd be putting less money into the industry.

#PS4NoDRM
#PS4RegionFree

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

I understand why people want them, but at the same time I don't hear people bitch about it with PCs.

That's the reason I don't play on PC.

 

[Auto_aim1]

It's really refreshing to see people stand up for their rights. Hopefully Sony does the right thing here.

 

[we.are.the.armada]

Wow, we've come so far since just last night - looks like EU has been bringing it on as well

I'd suggest that since DRM is trending in the top right now, every tweet should have #DRM in it to get those people in on this discussion as well.

At this point, it's not about a console war, but rather customer value proposition.

 

[Neuromancer]

Gamers make it clear to Sony they want a DRM-free PS4

Sources have suggested Sony is watching the fallout of the Xbox One reveal very closely, and using it to inform its own decisions. That in mind, NeoGAF decided to communicate with key Sony personnel on Twitter and request en masse a PlayStation 4 free of online access requirements and anti-used games systems.

Using the hashtags #PS4noDRM and #PS4UsedGames, gamers are messaging the likes of Shuhei Yoshida and Scott Rhode with their concerns.

The response so far has been huge, the idea spreading from GAF to all manner of online communities. In the writing of that last sentence, another twenty #PS4noDRM tweets were twitted.

While it's easy to be cynical and say this won't work, I think the fact gamers are making their voices heard loudly is pretty important. Even if Sony's used game strategy is set in stone, even if deals have been inked with a smirking Electronic Arts, and even if GameStop's in on the collusion, I think it's a good thing to say customers made themselves heard, and did it in unison.

Companies will only go further, the more confident they are that the audience will just open up and gleefully take barrels of shit rolled directly into their mouths.

Here, at least, a number of Sony executives got the message. This is the company's front-line customers, the ones who stick around even when the mainstream users have wandered off to play with the next big gadget. The so-called "core" gamers may not be as numerous as the regular consumer, but they're the more dependable ones, the foundation if you will. It matters that they say something, whether it falls on deaf ears or not.

Jim Sterling is a good man.

 

[Krusenstern]

Would it be possible for us all to stay focus? We don't need a pc vs. console war in this thread.

Here people. Don't let this derail.

 

[Toma]

Wow, we've come so far since just last night - looks like EU has been bringing it on as well

I'd suggest that since DRM is trending in the top right now, every tweet should have #DRM in it to get those people in on this discussion as well.

At this point, it's not about a console war, but rather customer value proposition.

At this point? This topic never was about a console war. It was about consumer rights all along, with the difference that Sony is more likely to listen to this feedback than MS.

 

[jacksepticeye]

lol so MS talk about this and everyone hates them and bashes them, rumours of Sony doing similar though causes uproar and a campaign to "Save" the PS4?

 

[Erasus]

I understand why people want them, but at the same time I don't hear people bitch about it with PCs.

Because when I buy a new PC, the games will work.

Sony and MS will set prices on their stores, no competition. There wont be steam like sales...

lol so MS talk about this and everyone hates them and bashes them, rumours of Sony doing similar though causes uproar and a campaign to "Save" the PS4?

Because Sony has not set that stuff in place and publicy said it. MS has.

 

[DigitalOp]

I'm so proud GAF, I was nowhere near the direct cause but I feel like my cries were heard. Ill tweet too but I sincerely want to thank everyone who cares enough to be heard.

Nothing is inspiring more than people fighting for what they believe in. Amazing stuff. This is pretty legendary in its own right.

 

[Bradach]

It can't hurt, so I've whipped together an open letter / call to action page:

http://gofreak-ie.appspot.com/ps4usedgames

Feedback on the wording or content or other ideas welcome.

I like it gofreak, clear and concise. tweeted!