bigboss370
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whoa hang on there david, that was only a few people arguing that used games is not the same as piracy (as in, used games aren't as detrimental). context, bro.
nobody was saying it was ok.
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whoa hang on there david, that was only a few people arguing that used games is not the same as piracy (as in, used games aren't as detrimental). context, bro.
nobody was saying it was ok.
Polishin8r
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I wish he could make a career making these things so amazing someone needs to pay this man
It's basically dropped off a cliff so you have a lot of work to do
http://www.hashtags.org/analytics/ps4nodrm/
Thats not right, there's multiple tweets every minute to the #PS4NoDRM hashtag. Definitely more than they're tracking anyway.
And I unfollowed him on twitter, what a twat. Maybe he should go back and patch the broken game he released and never fixed. He sure as hell seemed entitled to everyone's money when he begged for understanding and told people to hold on when promising to fix the problems.
I do not even necessarily agree with those people but he is misconstruing their argument that a pirated copy does not necessarily equal a lost sale.
It's basically dropped off a cliff so you have a lot of work to do
http://www.hashtags.org/analytics/ps4nodrm/
DRM is still trending and most NA folks are going to bed around this time.
I know we've been doing it, but we have to keep tweeting big twitter/youtube personalities.
OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
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Entitlement is developers thinking they have to profit from used sales. No other industry thinks this way, WTF makes developers/publishers think they're any different?
yurinka
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If Sony doesn't implement DRM and MS does, it will benefit Sony HW sales and 3rd party will support them and deal with it.
Because 3rd parties will get more money from a console without DRM but with great sales that from a console with WiiU level sales and top notch DRM.
Remember that at the beggining of this HD gen PS3 didn't have piracy unlike 360, and 3rd party supported 360 more because it had a higher userbase.
Consumer friendly policies like region free, free online and no DRM worked in PS3 so there is no reason to remove them next gen.
To kill 2nd hand, rented games and the possibility of to lend games kills discovery so it will hurt 3rd party sales and they will rely more on paid marketing so their games will be less profitable.
spot on. all i have to say to him is; amen brother.
Neff
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Maybe because it's not making enough money?
Orpheus Telos
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Well the graph says it's based on only a 1% sample. I don't really know what that means though.
Maybe it's because they're spending too much money?
I say if you support this video. Share it on twitter and send it to @yosp @jpkoller and those other guys in the OP. Also use the #PS4USEDGAMES and #PS4noDRM
krypt0nian
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Maybe because it overspends on developing games, and then expects miracle sales, or in this case, dipping into 2nd sales when they have no right to do so?
Do you think Ford deserves a cut when you resell your Mustang? No? Ok then.
Zabant
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Going to give jaffe the benefit of the doubt, dude is (famously) passionate and seeing some of these shitposters has obviously got his goat. Just hope he knows that they are the minority here.
I couldn't help but smile and nod with everything he said before the X1 launch presser on bonus round, hes a good guy.
I couldn't help but smile and nod with everything he said before the X1 launch presser on bonus round, hes a good guy.
It disgusts me to be honest. Who do they think they are?
SilentFlyer
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Should be in the OP, I guess.
David is a child, ignore him.
Dead Prince
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The twist: he's making an exclusive xbone game
He's not. He's referencing the thread that's talking about pirating games.
krypt0nian
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He's not, and he wasn't calling out GAF as a whole.
famousmortimer
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It's basically dropped off a cliff so you have a lot of work to do
http://www.hashtags.org/analytics/ps4nodrm/
Site is totally wrong. It's still getting anywhere from 5 to 15 tweets a minute when i checked 20 mins ago.
Also re: jaffe... Weird that he would attribute that to gaf. That is far, far away from the majority opinion around here. Gaf likes some homebrew but never has been piracy friendly. Though people do think that publishers may overblow how big of a problem it is.
Ya, clearly, but somehow it got brought into here.
Yeah I agree.
Great video.
I've also been following this thread since the beginning. It has been great to see how much traction it has gotten.
That guy needs to slow the fuck down when he's talking.
bigboss370
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video seems intentionally sped up.
OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
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lol I was wondering if he sped the video up, even his movements are really fast. Like unnaturally fast.
Really good video, hits on alot of great points.
Edit: audio quality is a bit shifty though.
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Ah, that was because of the piracy thread.
It's kinda stupid really (EDIT: Let me word that differently: it's interesting because it's obviously an important part of gaming and I mean that because of devs who've had to cancel projects and all that, stupid in the way that there is no way that every single user will approach to the topic impartially because they have pirated and might continue to pirate games) . Also immature from him, generalizing all the forum as if everyone were 'entitled motherfuckers'.
What thread is he exactly talking about? The closest thing I found was the thread with the guy somehow comparing used games to piracy and people saying it wasn't even close.
Some people said that just because those people pirated the games, it wouldn't mean they would buy the games if they couldn't pirate them, which is true. Some people would, some wouldn't. And that's why it's not correct to count those pirated copies as copies that could have been sold.
That and saying piracy is ok are completely different things, and I didn't see anyone saying that, but maybe I just missed it. If there were comments like that, then yeah that's quite stupid. If there wasn't, then this guy might need to calm down.
For people interested.
Yoshida specifics - 4000+ tweets to him since this thing started, about 3000 using hashtag #ps4nodrm
Overall #ps4nodrm count so far - IT'S OVER 9000! (Had to do it, 9600+)
(and nearly all tweets with #ps4nodrm had #ps4usedgames there as well)
That'll be the last time I'll be posting stats, the overall count is accurate as of 10:27 pm (EDT, GMT-4)
Yoshida specifics - 4000+ tweets to him since this thing started, about 3000 using hashtag #ps4nodrm
Overall #ps4nodrm count so far - IT'S OVER 9000! (Had to do it, 9600+)
(and nearly all tweets with #ps4nodrm had #ps4usedgames there as well)
That'll be the last time I'll be posting stats, the overall count is accurate as of 10:27 pm (EDT, GMT-4)
Neff
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We should all try to understand that these policies aren't being integrated solely to benefit the cash-haemorrhaging Activisions and EAs of the world.
So long as I'm at peace with my Mustang purchase, at the time knowing that I'll get far less when/if later reselling it, Ford can have whatever they want.
krypt0nian
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He um didn't do that? That was (maybe not obviously) targeted at the pirate talkers.
Oh bullshit. Nevermind. I thought you were being serious.
No one in their right mind would accept that. I'm certain that you would send them a check when you sold your car.
What is it with people being completely disingenuous lately?
famousmortimer
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Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
He doesn't like the current model for used games, but he seems to be on our side for the most part.
https://twitter.com/davidscottjaffe/status/339203781050896384
famousmortimer
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Always online is not what they are looking into. Their used game drm is an offline RFID style system. The exact system is quite convoluted so I'm not even going to get specific with what i heard... but that's the important part.
Sickboy007
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Add this video to the OP famousmortimer!
IHaveCandy
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Yeah, Sony's DRM, if it happens, is not going to be online-required. Yosp said to Game Informer that they never considered making the PS4 require an internet connection. They think the world isn't ready for that for the market they are trying to reach. Hopefully, they just won't do anything.
It's basically dropped off a cliff so you have a lot of work to do
http://www.hashtags.org/analytics/ps4nodrm/
It is horribly inaccurate as well. I counted 300+ posts... and it read 100....
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