WrenchNinja
Member
What is further than always online? Cause that is what Final Fight and BCR2 use.
It is pretty easy if you have an iota of will power.
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Sony PS4 does not require an internet connection. Ever. Seriously. Listen. Read.
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H_Prestige
Banned
Why don't they require them this gen?
If the NFC tag is reversible, then I don't see how it would block used sales. It would just be like our current system, only with an option to play without the disc inserted.
BRocknRolla
Member
True, and that will be a complex legal issue as well. Then again, if we're all cloud we're probably talking about a service like Netflix or maybe OnLive. Maybe no box at all. That will be a very different world.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
Well, I wasn't talking about me specifically. I was talking about the majority of gaming consumers.
Syphon Filter
Member
They probably see is as an opportunity since it's a new gen.
There be no cloud consoles. This DRM will end consoles period it will cause a crash that will be the end of consoles. There be no Nintendo to save the industry like the 80's. It will be tablets/phones that take over. They already are but this shit will just speed it up. It is just going to raise the price to console gaming and drive people away. How many of us would be gamers today if in the day there was not renting/trading/selling/buying used ect. Those acts help create gamers because it is a god damn expensive hobby for anyone with out a real job other wise. These publishers are idiots and need to go to business school. The way to create more sales is not to devalue your product and take away features. It is just so ass backwards right now they are so desperate to deflect the blame for piss poor business practices.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
....and since Microsoft is making it easy on the Xbone.
Question for the skeptics. Did publishers block online modes on ps3 and charge for them since the 360 blocks them system wide? Sounds silly but some of the points in this thread are crazy. MS and Sony are two different companies. Not every publisher can afford to implement DRM. I think the big publishers will just continue with online passes on PS4.
Also hasn't the RFID thing been shot down already. Sounds like a rumor started from someone seeing that patent like the kinect movie DRM patent.
Also hasn't the RFID thing been shot down already. Sounds like a rumor started from someone seeing that patent like the kinect movie DRM patent.
well benefit of cloud consoles would be that they can be accessed without $500 box... so basically you could be able to access them simply via your TV or even dvd player.
what is stupid is us paying $500 and then still being mandated to pay for some kind of online shit that we dont actually need.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
EA already dropped online passes. They will either do nothing or choose activation codes. Do you think they will do nothing on the PS4?
Templar_Dante
Banned
^^^ This.
Initially, I think the chance is high they'd do nothing actually, just in case the whole anti-used DRM thing is going to be a huge bust. If it seems to take off on X1 I imagine they'd go implant it anyway.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
I can agree with this.
Syphon Filter
Member
The thing is it will be much more apparent this gen. It's going to suck when you are looking forward to a game only to find out it will have drm.
They might try activation codes but won't fly for long in the countries that make FIFA popular(their biggest franchise with a majority of sales on PS). But isn't the rumor the reason MS is getting exclusives is because of their DRM strategy.
gundamkyoukai
Member
So then you just don't buy games from the ones that do it .
I see people saying that everyone is going to do it but Activision who is one of the biggest pub right now does not use online passes .
If Sony leaves it up to pub there going to be backlash vs them and they don't want that which is why they want Sony do it for them .
……forgetit
Member
I'm referring to my non-gaming enthusiast friends, most of which just play COD and Madden, that aside people like us are their market for the first few years, unless the console is sub-$300 I doubt the general public will immediately catch on.
I was about to post something to that effect. They are popping up with a disturbing frequency.
It seems like the new talking point to push is a false equivalence with the PC market.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
I also doubt any of them are even bothering to think this out through at all, just "hey I'm online with my PC all the time why does it matter?"
I thought we talked about game specific accounts here. So like EA account, Uplay account etc. Not Gamertag and PSN account.
Why not label Sony as scum thenThey're allowing this.
wow
really guys?
really?
you just want to watch it all burn do you?
scorched earth, if you cant have it surely they cant have it...
I have been seeing this all the time since 22st of may. The somehow illogical philosophy that if one does A then the other also must do A and not B or C or D or etc....
because that surely is logical.....
and to make it even more logical, the other will be doing it even worse. Not only will it go one step further, it will make your TV explode and burn your house down as well?
just because it just cannot be better than your favourite brand no matter what...
you will not allow it..
Don't forget to breath.
Not everything in this world spins around your little fanboy wars vision.
Given how often I saw "360 was my favorite console but I'm going PS4 because of this news" I'm inclined to think most of them are just pessimistic regardless of preferences. We even have a few suspect Nintendo would jump into this garbage.
Well of course. I mean I hope everyone is little worried about what these new policies might bring to the table no matter where you stand (or if you stand anywhere! It's hard to believe that a human can be absolutely neutral though) This is stuff that conserns industry as a whole and trying to pull it down to petty console wars type of deal is pretty sad actually.
I want to see this publisher-driven model of bloated budgets (and blaming the consumer and the developer when their poor business decisions are exposed) burn, yes.
I'd like to see it happen with as few casualties as possible, but it can't be done without some pain.
What's Sony's new policy?
Isn't that what this thread is about?
We don't know but some people seem to think that we have enough evidence by now to put pieces together and see the giant picture. I don't count myself amongst them.
I am a consumer and not neutral. My allegiance lies with the consumers and young kids who do cannot afford new games but borrow and socialize around games. What makes me a bit mad though is how certain people try to spill over the MS policies on always online and DRM as something that Sony must have as well. And their only proof is that Sony has said nothing, even though Sony has said it will be up to publishers. This really took off after Keighley felt the need to defend MS policies by saying off-hand that Sony probably had something similar as well.
Sorry but you gave me the appearance as of one of them that took it to the far end and beyond console wars
Why not label Sony as scum then
This isn't about policies spilling. Microsoft didn't implement this policy just because. There's reasons behind everything they do. We should take a look at them. Why would plaform owners de-valualize their products? Well it might be that publishers seem to see that as more profitable for them and encourage that kind of behaviour. Now we could imagine that Sony is completely above all this but they're not. Just like Microsoft they are dying to get some exclusives on their consoles. 1st party exclusives alone have never won a console generation for at least a decade or two. We shouldn't be naive and think that Microsoft and Sony aren't linked. They are. Until we know in detail about Sony's approach we should prepare for the worse and still see it as a real threat.
If it helps you sleep at night I can say that I see Microsoft just as "scummy" with implementing DRM of that level to XBONE. Just like I saw Nintendo doing a scummy decision with region locking and poor support of consoles four times in a row.
It isn't platform exclusive by any means. I'm sorry you saw it that way.
I see why you're skeptical. Looking through your posts its all makes sense to me now why youre so persistent in your cause.
well always-on is due to DRM to implement used games system... And didnt the same happen for SimCity?
You know why consoles can never be compared to PC in this context? Because on PC you always have the option. Anyone can sell their games directly to customers and cut out the middle man. You can sell your product without DRM or with it. The decision is always on the party that sells the product. On consoles the middle man is ALWAYS there and it sets the rules.
Wonders of an open platform.
BobTheFork
Member
Well, that's how Microsoft is denying it.
There was a discussion earlier on this which made it seem like a viable solution.
I really hope this is true.
DC1
Member
Let's keep your fingers crossed.
Only a few games on the PS3 were Region locked by the publisher. I doubt that Sony would change their policy.
Beer Monkey
Member
Always remember that Sony had first party online passes while MS never has. Neither have a clean nose. MS does not have a history of pushing DRM more.
That said, PS4 only for me at this point, but nobody has final details. I'm not buying a console that can't be used offline-only for first AND third party titles.
That said, PS4 only for me at this point, but nobody has final details. I'm not buying a console that can't be used offline-only for first AND third party titles.
Brad Grenz
Member
MS doesn't use online passes because they charge everyone $60 a year to play games online.
This thread was needed, Amirox. The only problem now is, publishers might require both ports (XB1 and PS4) to have DRM, because it doesn't make sense for one to have one and not the other. It helps against used game sales (which is a big thing for them) and piracy.
Sony might not require it, but they really should say "no, we do not allow this" to publishers.
Sony might not require it, but they really should say "no, we do not allow this" to publishers.
It should be noted that the PC has relatively low new prices, backwards compatibility with most of the video games in existence thanks to emulators, and immense amounts of competition in terms of digital retailers as well as physical retailers. It is actually fairly similar to other media in both the physical and digital side because of that, and thus the used game market for PC is practically negligible.
And I guess that publishers would go to Xbone if Sony said that. It's a dangerous game and if Xbone proves to be successful I guess that more publishers will go that route
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
I don;t think publishers would OUTRIGHT avoid PS4 if they did that.
Maybe eventually, but not in the beginning.
IMO Sony would be wise to do as much as they can to discourage these practices on their system. If not outright forbid them, they need to find a way to mitigate them.
BuggyDClown
Member
I've been told that the Xbox One will not require checks to play a game offline.
The games will require authentication and online checks due to their installed nature and ability to be played off the disc. It's not out of the question to assume that the disc also authenticates the console, so if the internet is down or unavailable for over 24-72 hours (however long their checks are) you will be able to play a game with the Disc still in the console.
Hope that's true anyway.
The games will require authentication and online checks due to their installed nature and ability to be played off the disc. It's not out of the question to assume that the disc also authenticates the console, so if the internet is down or unavailable for over 24-72 hours (however long their checks are) you will be able to play a game with the Disc still in the console.
Hope that's true anyway.
It's hard to say, they certainly might. EA abandoned Wii U at basically the same time that they dropped Online Passes, which was basically the same time all this MS stuff seemingly came together.
They'll stick with the older consoles for longer because there's big installed bases and there's still low-hanging fruit there for a few more years - but PS4? I could see EA specifically dropping support if they don't get what they want. Sure, not all third parties, but EA? I could see it.
And going with that, exclusive FIFA and Madden is one of the few things that could end this console generation before it starts.
That seems to contradict what MS has said then. The disc are nothing but installation discs. Every single game has to be installed now right? Or did I misread something? Tell me if I'm wrong, sincerely.
That in and of itself is another knock against the Xbone because you have to buy proprietary HDs from MS again (at of course an extremely inflated price). Hopefully Sony lets you buy 3rd party HDs like with the PS3.
All I've heard so far is that they have a built in 500 GB hard drive that can't be removed (this is undoubtedly going to be a problem in the long term) and you can attach USB hard drives too. Whether they go for proprietary USB hard drives is another question altogether.