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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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Mauricio_Magus
Banned
"eat shit" or go to another hobby, no thanks. PC/Nintendo is what I'm doing right now. Not buying a Xbone and spreading the word is what you must do if you love your hobby.
No. He failed miserably at highlighting the most important aspect. Its not about YOUR internet connection - its about how long MS allows you to play your games before yanking a server and forcing an upgrade.
Eventually authentication servers will come down and you won't be able to play anything. That is the worst part - not a small disruption of your ISP, ffs.
This isn't even a good option. The developer/publisher does not deserve a cut of a second hand sale, period. Just like with a painting, you can resell it however often you want for whatever price you want but the original artist doesn't get a cent as the original owner already had paid whoever created the content.
Stone Ocean
Member
Nope, it's actually worse than the rumors.
So if I ever buy an used game I'm stuck with it forever? HAHA OH WOW
BlazingDarkness
Member
The worst kind of attitude about all of this is the one that's like 'this is the way the industry is going, deal with it, get another hobby if you don't accept it.'
Well no, fuck that, fuck it! This is my hobby which I've invested thousands into and years of my life and I'm not about to fucking 'move on' because Microsoft want to destroy the industry through their greed. Fuck them for making my hobby less about games and creativity and innovation and more about ways of draining my wallet.
Well no, fuck that, fuck it! This is my hobby which I've invested thousands into and years of my life and I'm not about to fucking 'move on' because Microsoft want to destroy the industry through their greed. Fuck them for making my hobby less about games and creativity and innovation and more about ways of draining my wallet.
This is the one complaint I don't understand. I fully understand people not supporting anti-used game features and an online required platform. Those two make perfect sense. Not liking Kinect style gaming? I get it. Not wanting to pay for something you're not privy to? I get it. But how is the fact that the Kinect MUST be plugged in a major deficiency? It's a minor annoyance at most.
Because it sits in front of my TV? Maybe if you live in a trailer and your Best Buy house brand TV is sitting on top of your wood paneled CRT it's ok but I'm not having a recording device constantly uglying up my living room.
We're using the MS anti-piracy rules. Everyone is guilty #dealwithit
We're using the MS anti-piracy rules. Everyone is guilty #dealwithit
semiconscious
Gold Member
but, if the only people who 'just accept' this are those who buy only 2 games a year, then what happens?
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user friendly
Member
Wow, I actually can't believe it.
Don't you do it, Sony. Don't you dare.
Don't you do it, Sony. Don't you dare.
Yep your post was very insightful in that other thread and now with this is has killed the 1% chance I may pick one up down the line. I'm out. What shitty practices and it saddens me as I said before, I loved my 360 and MS hit all the right points with the 360. But now Sony can have all that money that I would of spent on the xbone. Their loss not mine, bloody idiots.
See it's like you said this is real money. I have spent so much and continue to. my 360 is our family's all in one box. We watch movies, TV, game, and listen to music through it. We have multiple 360's as well. Now they can have none of that and Sony can enjoy it.
Don't Microsoft already allow this? How does that make it a perk?
Besides, I'd prefer the ability to share whatever with whomever.
brandonh83
Banned
no way.
ginger ninja
Banned
Now if i see anyone else comparing this shit to steam, he is getting a roundhouse kick to the face
SlowRevolution
Member
Embarrassing, like pretty much everything else I've seen from that guy lately.
BFIB
Member
I'm betting right now.
On the Silver level membership:
You will not be able to "trade (lol)" in your games.
You will not be able to "gift (lol)" games to friends.
You will not be able to access the TV functionality with the Kinect.
You will not get access to demos until a later timeframe.
However, for only $50 a year, you can take advantage of all those exciting features!
On the Silver level membership:
You will not be able to "trade (lol)" in your games.
You will not be able to "gift (lol)" games to friends.
You will not be able to access the TV functionality with the Kinect.
You will not get access to demos until a later timeframe.
However, for only $50 a year, you can take advantage of all those exciting features!
In other words, "We're waiting to hear back how much they're willing to pay us to let them rent games."
heyitsphil
Neo Member
Im going to wait until E3 to make a decision, been a loyal Xbox fan since 04 and have played PC as well but the X1 looks like a PC but worse from the information we've received so far. Only a couple days now guys.
Baller. PhD
Banned
If you buy the Xbox One you are bad and you should feel bad.
assuming Sony doesn't do this.
Christmas time for kids bringing games over to friend's houses will be fun (not too mention the servers).
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Neuromancer
Member
24 hour online check is the biggest bummer to me. Everything else I could live with, I hate the idea of no used games but I'd combat that by waiting for a sale or the bargain bin for every single game I bought. But I can't justify the 24 hour check, there'd be no way around it. You're being treated like a criminal, only allowed permission to play the games you've bought if MS decides it's OK. For all the comparisons to Steam I've been seeing for weeks, this is a thousand times worse than Steam which at least has the common decency of an offline mode.
TheJollyCorner
Member
I'm a little late here- but this completely eliminates X1 games being on a service like Redbox or Gamefly, right?
Only read the first page, but if I missed something please help me out.
Only read the first page, but if I missed something please help me out.
shinra-bansho
Member
Fair.
I do think the writing was pretty clear on the wall prior to this though with Phil Harrison's foot in mouth disease.
Similarly, I feel there will be something on the PS4 as well, but I'm hopeful that it won't be nearly as draconian, and the responsiveness and "playfulness" of Sony execs, even at the highest levels like Shu Yoshida, on twitter is positive.
They've been handed a gift on a silver platter, hopefully they capitalize on it.
MaulerX
Member
Because at the end if the tunnel they see all the big publishers and how they are really the ones that made this happen. Microsoft might be taking the hit in the boards but the sites are surely not going to castigate them for it.
And you're cray for believing this with no evidence
Tripolygon
Banned
This is why they fucking canceled those 1 on 1 interviews isn't it?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=578534
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=578534
Because they are already used to the controller/similar interface/have a gamer tag...
I will be shocked if Sony doesn't have similar plans in place with the PS4. You think Activision and EA (after dropping project 10) will be cool with just Xbox doing this? I'm sure these rules are making publishers giddy.
And if the PS4 doesn't, I don't see reviews going "Hey these games are identical on both systems but you can't lend it to your friends on Xbox so don't buy it!" in every review.
Same here. People need to chill out.
I didn't really either but I'm sorta seeing it now.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order
You have 221 posts and registered in 2007. The forum leaned toward Microsoft and began leaning toward Sony as the generation went on and only recently. There was a lot of MS support still a year or so after the RROD fiasco.
Stone Ocean
Member
Can this shitty straw man argument die already?
you got to be kidding me, right?
heyitsphil
Neo Member
in one M$ ear and right out the other it seems.
Those seem like really easy features to implement. All of my consoles came with it standard.
Little Green Yoda
Member
privacy
Okay, here is why the Steam, iTunes, Kindle analogy is bull crap.
None of these services, sell a phyisical product, not one. They sell files, files that could VERY easily be copied and re-distributed endlessly with practically no effort, if it weren't for the copy restrictions placed on them. If it weren't for these restrictions, they simply wouldn't be viable products, thus why most countries specifically exampt digitally distributed content from many of their fair use laws.
Console games are sold on physical discs, each of which has sufficient anti-piracy measures to keep them from being easily copied. A physical disc, simply put, cannot possibly be copied and distributed in the same way a file can. They do not need additional restrictions placed on them, because they have inherent limitations of their own.
So its an apples and oranges comparison, these are simply inherently different kinds of products.
A more apt comparison, would be DVD's and Blu-Ray movies, but Microsoft couldn't make that comparison, since nobody has ever blocked the sale of used Blu-Rays! Heck, if some company ever tried it, I think you'd see an even bigger uproar than what we're seeing in the gamer community.
So, long story short, Microsoft is making an insincere and dishonest comparison. Furthermore, they're essentially taking the concerns of the community and dismissing them outright, in a rather flippant fashion I might add.
Frankly, I's ticked, I's ticked ROYAL!! Grrrr!!!
None of these services, sell a phyisical product, not one. They sell files, files that could VERY easily be copied and re-distributed endlessly with practically no effort, if it weren't for the copy restrictions placed on them. If it weren't for these restrictions, they simply wouldn't be viable products, thus why most countries specifically exampt digitally distributed content from many of their fair use laws.
Console games are sold on physical discs, each of which has sufficient anti-piracy measures to keep them from being easily copied. A physical disc, simply put, cannot possibly be copied and distributed in the same way a file can. They do not need additional restrictions placed on them, because they have inherent limitations of their own.
So its an apples and oranges comparison, these are simply inherently different kinds of products.
A more apt comparison, would be DVD's and Blu-Ray movies, but Microsoft couldn't make that comparison, since nobody has ever blocked the sale of used Blu-Rays! Heck, if some company ever tried it, I think you'd see an even bigger uproar than what we're seeing in the gamer community.
So, long story short, Microsoft is making an insincere and dishonest comparison. Furthermore, they're essentially taking the concerns of the community and dismissing them outright, in a rather flippant fashion I might add.
Frankly, I's ticked, I's ticked ROYAL!! Grrrr!!!
Just lets you know who's in the driver's seat next gen.
webkatt
Member
Lol, I bet it's true. Also you can't share with 10 "family" members...
Neuromancer
Member
He shouldn't even respond, if he's going to be a dick.
Oh good lord.
VeryGooster
Banned
"Discs? At launch? Um, talk to one of the interns. TBA!"
MS seriously needs some PR coaches stat.
McHuj
Member
$50? I bet it's going to be higher than that.
SRTtoZ
Member
Bingo.
"Sorry but this game will not be released until xx/xx/xxxx, please try again later"
Then hide it if cosmetics are that important too you?
I should have clarified. MS gets the money as it acts as the broker. It could then give it to the pub if it wants.
Brokers exists in all real world second hand market places. Sell something on eBay and they take a cut. Same with Gamestop. Same with auction houses. Same with car sales.
I agree that copyright holders aren't entitled to second hand sales. but the above system would let you sell your digital games - something that isn't possible at present. The only way to achieve this would be an in-built marketplace / brokerage system.
Colonel Nasty
Member
You should probably post the rest of that conversation.
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