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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features

Leucrota

Member
Am I reading this correctly? Me and ten of my friends can buy one copy of a game and then share it with each other? Isn't this worse than piracy? Like, I could get together with 10 GAFers and we would each take turns buying a game. Everyone pays 1/10 of what they would normally pay.

Is that correct?

And LOL at "Anyone can play games on your console in your home." Reminds me of Full Metal Jacket:

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Well, thank you very much! Can I be in charge for a while?
Private Cowboy: Sir, yes, sir.

Nope, only 2 people can play it at a time.

So if you and your friends want to play it together (like COD) forget it.

However, if you and your friends want to make a complicated who-plays-when schedule, go for it.

I would suggest asking for an amount of money you feel would make the transaction equitable and then give your friend the cd and keys.

Have fun out there, son. Be safe.

I did not know this actually, thanks. Like I said, I am using Linux now. I don't set up computers or transfer software licenses much.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Wonder if you can take a disc to a 'family member' to install it? Otherwise wont you have to download the entire game? Not exactly 'pop round to your friends for a quick game'

and no mention of you being able to play on any xbox? I guess that would still be allowed but maybe with the same 1 hour restriction as family
 

spock

Member
Why would they let you do that? They just turned games into a 59.99 rental. Why would they let you rent it cheaper than that?

Well for those who want to rent MS offering direct rentals at a low cost for fixed time periods could be viable. Actually quite a few interesting things they can do with a rental/upsell model to the original subscription model. Going to be interesting how things develop.
 

Klocker

Member
Ugh.

I took a real quick look at Jaffe's views on Twitter. Seems like he's against the online checking thing and all but not against the waiting to rent or sell/trade-in policy. Looks like he compares it to seeing a new movie and having to wait a couple months or so for it being released for rent. I like the guy and see his point on the used game system, since he's not really against used games.

All in all, I'm really bummed by all this. I'm ready to just say screw it and join the Xbone boycott but honestly, I don't want to do that until I know what Sony is going to do.


yes looks like the partners are all going to come out now so MS does not have to carry burden alone... Sony sounds like they have similar used policy (guessing) but somehow a different DRM so they don't need a 24 hr check unless certain games require it and tell you on the box
 
And People said this was a war against GameStop.

It isn't. It's a war against consumers.

They would be crazy to upset the largest video game retailer in the world.

As much as publishers like to complain about preowned games hurting their sales, I'd be willing to bet very few would dare to enforce the block, just to avoid getting on GameStop's bad side.
 

kirby145

Neo Member
So it really does seem like game sharing through the family mechanic is going to be viable for small numbers of people.

"You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

So my "brother" and I set up this family thing. I buy games A and B and he buys game C. At a minimum, it sounds like I can play game A while he plays game B. Possibly we can both play game A simultaneously, but I doubt it. Probably I can't play game C while he plays any game.

Sound about right?

Seems like pairing off makes a lot of sense. Have one account buy all of the games, splitting the cost 50/50. With simultaneous playing of the same game, this works perfectly. Without, there's the restriction that both people can't be playing the same game at the same time. But that's still not bad.
From how I read it, both people can play game A at the same time. I could be wrong.

But that's the limitation, no more people can play game A. I would hope that if 2 people bought game A, a 3rd person could play it.
 

iammeiam

Member
I'm not sure why everyone's so sure only Gamestop will be able to do the used games stuff--it's likely going to function fairly similarly to, say, points card integration/activation processes. Which would still be problematic for really small shops with no official ties to Microsoft, but MS doesn't really gain anything by restricting everything to Gamestop.
 

Diseased Yak

Gold Member
I've read this entire thread before posting.

As a long-time gamer (started with Atari 2600), I can safely say this the Xbox One is the first console I'm skipping on day one.

If Sony follows suit with the PS4, I'll just go to PC + retro gaming. I can easily live the rest of my life playing only PC games and older consoles.

i say this for really one reason: At some point in the future, Xbox One servers WILL go offline. At that point, I can't play my games. Today, I can still fire up my Atari, or my Coleco, or my original Pong.

Fuck required online.
 

DIRTY-D

Member
Fuck this shit.

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ec0ec0

Member
why is people saying that its not that bad? ITS NOT THAT BAD?!!! ITS NOT THAT BAD WHAT? basically this xbox one generation is just going to EXIST now (during the next years). what i mean with that? Well, imagine that i like videogames (like you do) and that i was young during the N64 era. I didnt live that back in the day but i want to do it now. Can i? yes AND its going to be easy and cheap (theres a huge market for it thanks to NOT RESTRICTIONS back then). I would be able to buy everything i want from anyone i want and... you know want? i would experience that era while, at the same time, completely OWNING all that. AFTER that, it would be EASY to sell all that to anyone i want. Now, you now what TIME convined with those restrictions would do for the xbox one market? they market would be non existant (in comparation with now), restrictive, etc... i would not be posible to do, what i did with the N64 generation, with the xbox one. If i wanted to do that, I WOULD HAVE TO GO THE WAY, AND ONLY THAT WAY, THEY LET ME (microsoft or whatever)... Remember that phrase because everything related with the xbox one would work like that. And this is just ONE example. Also, remeber that all that process that we did with the N64 would not be posible for the xbox one without a "permanent" INTERNET CONECTION (and assuming that we overcome the rest of endless restrictions...) microso$f...
 
I'm officially out. This isn't any better... it's worse. You can't play games if you don't connect to the internet for 24 hours but you can still use DVDs and Blu-rays? What a load of crap.
I wonder how long until the servers go offline? When they do I guess that means the games that people bought won't be playable anymore..?
If things are like this now I would hate to see the future of gaming.
 

Einbroch

Banned
I've read this entire thread before posting.

As a long-time gamer (started with Atari 2600), I can safely say this the Xbox One is the first console I'm skipping on day one.

If Sony follows suit with the PS4, I'll just go to PC + retro gaming. I can easily live the rest of my life playing only PC games and older consoles.

i say this for really one reason: At some point in the future, Xbox One servers WILL go offline. At that point, I can't play my games. Today, I can still fire up my Atari, or my Coleco, or my original Pong.

Fuck required online.

You should look into the 3DS. It's got some really fantastic games and the future is incredibly bright.

PC + 3DS is the best of all worlds.
 

elfinke

Member
I think all of the policies they announced are logical extensions of the fact that this is a digital-only console. The "retail" titles, such as they are, are like Steamworks games. It's not a retail+digital console, it's a digital-only console. I mean, imagine if a competitor to Steam popped up that had all of these policies. It'd be fairly standard--in some respect forward-thinking (being able to transfer a game you own to a friend, even once, is better than what Steam has right now; being able to trade in at select retailers is better than what Steam has now for both the retailer and the customer), in other respects a little behind the curve (offline mode being a 24 hour limit) I don't personally have a problem with digital only, I've got 600 games on Steam. And I'm generally a pretty future-proof kind of guy, none of my computers have optical drives anymore. I use Dropbox for everything. I love tablets I'm not someone who typically needs to be encouraged to adopt new tech or who worries about trading off the stability of current options for the cutting edge of new options.

But here are the problems:
1) No one views these policies as an advantage in any digital-only platform. They're a necessary evil. And they're one that's overcome with sweeteners. One sweetener is pricing. In Steam that's manifested in a few ways--frequent and steep sales on the whole catalogue, and the ability for developers to produce unlimited keys for free (and thus for third party resellers to sacrifice margin for volume and offer discounts). Will Xbox One games be $35 to pre-order? Will they drop to $5 within 6 months? I doubt it.

2) Digital-only PC platforms emerged in response to the decline of retail. Retail has not declined for consoles. It's still there. The Xbox One's direct competitors will have retail space. And the direct competitors will not necessarily have these policies. Maybe Microsoft ends up correctly predicting the future and riding the wave in advance, but it seems like Microsoft's competitors are healthy enough that this is too much too soon.

3) There exists no digital-only platform that requires an ongoing membership fee (or that encourages an ongoing membership fee). Ongoing membership fees tend to be for unlimited, all-access type services like Netflix--or even in the more limited form, Playstation Plus, or discount programs like Amazon Prime or Costco membership. It's true that Gold exists today, but today there's a platform that doesn't necessarily need the kind of sweeteners that the One will need.

So, I guess my conclusion is that given that we now know that Xbox One is a digital-only, not digital-first system, the policies are fairly unremarkable and the next question becomes how Microsoft will blunt these inherent limitations of digital-only systems and show advantages.

Still playing catch up with the thread, but this is a pretty salient point well made here. These policies are nearly all stick (necessarily by design), but not much in the way of a carrot was shown.

So a bit of PR amateur hour continues at MS. Had they announced these policies alongside firmer ideas around the family sharing, maybe with a price or two thrown in (particularly one surrounding any membership fees and digital version prices) we'd all be having a different reaction. Maybe.
 

Ranger X

Member
What people will ignore anyways and have even more important ramifications on the futur of our liberty is the PRISM thing. Seriously.
 

heyitsphil

Neo Member
Wow, and from the beginning of some of the rumors everyone thought Game$top would be the ones getting the short end of the stick.

The bastards were onboard with M$ all along, This will boost Gamestops revenue not to mention as one of the "participating" retailers they will gain almost like a monopoly over the industry.

We the consumer are the Enemy.
unbelievable.
 

Karak

Member
I am so confused.

So they made it sound like if my friend has a Xbone and have a game installed on my system I can go over to his house login to my account and play it. Is that correct?

Correct.
To me the biggest thing is that damn 24 hour check. And I am always online...but man. Just man:(
 

UberTag

Member
Nope, only 2 people can play it at a time.

So if you and your friends want to play it together (like COD) forget it.

However, if you and your friends want to make a complicated who-plays-when schedule, go for it.
Don't even count on that scenario even being feasible.
Microsoft emphasized "family" for a reason.
There will be restrictions in place to effectively make it so you won't even want to take advantage of this functionality if you're not immediate family.
 

Chake

Banned
So let me get this straight: Nine of my friends and I, can share an account, and if each of us buys 2 games. I would end up with 18 games?
 
If I lose all interest in this product because of these features and aren't buying due to that newfound lack of interest, is that still boycotting?
 
I see Polygon finally reported on this....Basically said its up to publishers and touched very lightly on each restriction...

They walked a very fine line..
Agreed just read it.

Opened by deferring blame onto publishers when the focus is quite clearly on Microsoft right now and mentioned twice how this is all subject to change according to Microsoft as if to soften the blow for the hopeful and faithful.
 
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Deleted member 80556

Unconfirmed Member
People actually believe this?

This is just absolute fear of change. Calm down everybody.

Fuck no. I don't live in United States. I am from a third world country. I have had my internet die for days, there are no fucking Gamestops or big brand gaming stores in my country, what the hell am I supposed to do with the games I don't use anymore?
 
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