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[mrklaw]

There are a lot of restrictions that can hit people, even if individual ones don't.

eg you might always buy new so you don't mind about no used games - but you do rent. Tough shit

or you might not care about 24 hour online checks - but you do want to buy used. Also tough shit.



the sharing needs further clarification though. If it is me + 1 other, what happens when person 2 tries to play? You just get told NO? Just seems dumb. I guess they are trying to make it like lending a disc to a small circle of friends where only one person at a time can play because it is a physical disc, but this sounds fucked up

 

[Gotchaye]

Is there anything salvageable out of this mess?

Potential Xbox One Family Account Exploit
---------------------------------------------
- Jerry and Richard link their accounts as family
- Jerry buys action games
- Richard buys RPG games
- (Jerry and Richard become the "Prime Family Member" if you like - the one that can play anytime.)
- They both have access to each other's accounts
- They can split game costs with some organisation

Is this possible? I mean, I won't buy one, but maybe that's an exploit people can use.

It really does look like something like this will be possible. I think it's really unlikely that two people can play the same game at the same time, but their policy is just insulting (granted, their other policies are just insulting) if one person can't play some of the other's games while the other person is playing any game.

 

[Natiko]

Since the game is registered to a single account the first time it is played, how do you think someone would play the game after you use it?

The same can be said for trading games in for the purpose of resell. Clearly there will be a way for "participating retailers" to signify the game has been traded in at which point I imagine it will be cleared out of your account. Rentals would work the same way at whatever "participating" rental places they choose.

 

[UberTag]

it didn't say mom & pops can not join the MS system and become "preferred partners"

just may have to do a contract and prove certain criteria etc.

They can't Klocker. This is a used game cartel.
Stop touting this belief until you know for a fact Joe Indie Shop can play ball.

 

[IHaveCandy]

I had a customer today that got around $150 for trading in 7 games. You can get good trade values at GameStop. Some values suck, probably more suck than they should, but you can get plenty of great deals. You just gotta take advantage of their trade offers.

 

[Shakala]

Don't fuck this up Sony.

 

[Brinbe]

Also, Sony, you're literally our only hope now... Don't fuck it up.

 

[krypt0nian]

did we really have PR people on GAF from MS trying to do damage control? that's almost as absurd as some of these policies >_>

Hey at lest they were getting paid for the shit some people do for free here in this very thread.

 

[Agent Dale Cooper]

One game that's three years old.

Most PC games don't become $1 in less than a few years.

Steam has good sales but lets not use ridiculous examples.

 

[SlowRevolution]

Also, Sony, you're literally our only hope now... Don't fuck it up.

ouya will save us

 

[ironcreed]

I just realized this thread has already passed the MS E3 thread in both post count and viewers. This thread has only been up for a little more then 4 hours. Amazing.

Well, 'the rumors' have been confirmed. This is etched in stone. This is gaming history... the darkest side of it ever.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

yea long term I think their strategy is for Xbox ONE and on that any software you buy becomes part of the eco system and will live on so long as the brand does and in the future these games will be playable on your PC or tablet with the same license... I think this is an attempt to future-Proof software ownership digitally on their eco system so people stay invested.

again I think it's the main reason the games will all run in VM so they can be run on any future machine that is powerful enough to run it

How is that suposed to work? consoles and PC are becoming similar, but there's no way MS goes his way on creating an Xbone emulator on PC.

 

[Currygan]

The publishers get a fee. Microsoft themselves are a publisher. As a platform holder, they wouldn't be getting one, but as a publisher, they can.

fuck...

I just...I'm speechless

 

[Gabe3208]

lol what kind of shitty internet connection goes down? sounds like you need a better HDMI cable.

The crap internet offered here. Service here isn't really normal like how it is on mainland Miami. Here at the beach, there is no Verizon so you can't get FiOS, and there is no Comcast so you can't get Xfinity. The only options you have are AT&T U-Verse and Atlantic Broadband (which is what I have) and due to bad weather I've lost internet for over a day several times.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Yeeeeep.

It's even worse, because you could only trade it in to a participating retailer aka only GameStop. Kiss mom and pop game stores goodbye.

Wow... I...

I don't even have a gif for this. I'm speechless.

 

[BigDug13]

Gamestop is still getting fucked over though.

Not really. They become the only place to allow trade-in value towards a new purchase.

 

[Kung Fu Grip]

Playing devil's advocate, because I hate to see the overreaction:

-I can almost guarantee they will work out rental deals with redbox, blockbuster, gamefly, etc. They would be foolish to leave money on the table.

-Put a piece of tape over the kinect sensor if you don't want MS to see you in your underwear. It's not like they'll be recording you on some server. relax.

-24 hours of offline play: If your internet is down for more than 24 hours get a new provider. My PC is always online and that's where I game the most. You're not taking the xbox out of your house to go camping so what is the problem?

-You can still trade a game to a friend. Once it's theirs, who cares what happens to it next. And there will still be avenues to sell your games. Amazon, gamestop, CeX... they'll all be there.

-Sharing all your games among 10 people = amazing. I can see 10 of my gaming friends and I working out a system of who buys what. That's 9 less games we each have to buy. Makes up for the lack of trade-in.

Oh look a junior member. I bet your email address leads back to a redmond office.

You. Can. Not. De. Fend. This. It is wrong. Period....

 

[lenovox1]

they claim they aint getting a fee on those resells, so what exactly is the point of partecipating retailers? What do they gain from it?

Publishers can collect a fee.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Hey guys,

I cannot remember the last time I traded in software or sold it to someone else.

I am done with my license of Windows 7 (on Linux/GNU now), and I am not sure how to sell it to my friend. Can someone help me?

I would also like to sell my copy of Sublime Text Editor and Adobe Photoshop.

All very simple to do. The licenses for all of those are easily transferable.

- For Windows 7, the activation key can be used multiple times with no issue. If there are too many activations in too short of a time, you can call MS and they will release the lock on it.

- For Photoshop, go to the "help" menu up top and choose "deactivate" to deactivate your license key. That key is now transferable to the new owner without issue. They can even just download a trial version and unlock it with the key you just deactivated- no problemo, sir!

- The activation for Sublime Text Editor is totally transferable as-is, AFAIK. Just give the info to the buyer, have them dl/install and enter your activation info and you should be good to go!

Happy to help!

 

[Vane_MagicCity]

In other words, "We're waiting to hear back how much they're willing to pay us to let them rent games."

..or "We are hoping that everyone will just drop the idea"

 

[P90]

Over 70% of Xbox 360 owners use Live. What's wrong with "24 hour check-in"?

What happens when the XBox Live servers are down for periods, like they have been a number of times? What happens when you go on vacation? What happens to people whose power goes out from storms and such?

 

[SoraanTribal]

Yep now GameStop can set the price as low as they want for trades..

"We'll give you 2$ for that game released yesterday.. take it or leave it bitch." -GameStop

Yep. I have tried selling a few older games to them before, and they wanted to give me almost nothing for them. I went there first because I wanted the money quickly, but.. I ended up just selling them through Ebay/Half/Amazon for much higher. Just took a little longer to sell. Now with this new system, I won't be able to do that. Either I'll have to sell to GameStop for a shitty price or keep the game forever. Yay?

 

[Shinta]

I had a customer today that got around $150 for trading in 7 games. You can get good trade values at GameStop. Some values suck, probably more suck than they should, but you can get plenty of great deals. You just gotta take advantage of their trade offers.

To do that you have to sign up for an annual service. It's bullshit.

 

[Gorillaz]

Don't fuck this up Sony.

Also, Sony, you're literally our only hope now... Don't fuck it up.

They ain't out of the woods yet well see soon enough tho

 

[Jest Chillin]

The publishers get a fee. Microsoft themselves are a publisher. As a platform holder, they wouldn't be getting one, but as a publisher, they can.

The point I think he's making is that while Microsoft isn't getting a fee from the consumer end, it's likely that Retailers have to pay to be one of the "participating" resell retailers.

There's no evidence of this at this point but I personally can't see how Microsoft would pass up that opportunity.

 

[SRTtoZ]

So, I guess I'm ok with this. If this can help fend off future lay offs and closings, then I'm in.

Why would it do that? Bad games will still be bad games.

 

[KaYotiX]

Yep now GameStop can set the price as low as they want for trades..

"We'll give you 2$ for that game released yesterday.. take it or leave it bitch." -GameStop

No they won't, they still want customers to go there. Why piss them off? I bet you won't see a change in prices.

 

[Puppet Shadow]

lol what kind of shitty internet connection goes down? sounds like you need a better HDMI cable.

This made me laugh.

 

[Toki767]

So, I guess I'm ok with this. If this can help fend off future lay offs and closings, then I'm in.

I'm pretty certain a lot of studios are going to close next gen. Maybe more than this gen.

 

[RiPPn]

I have to say this is overall less restrictive than I thought it will be. I guess the initial backlash helped soften up some of the requirements. Why else would they have had such bad and inconsistent answers and have waited to clear up things until now?

I can see Sony going a similar way with used games though and let the publisher decide. Still those rules are quite restrictive, even if they allow you to sell your games.

The only interesting thing is the gamesharing with your family members, but only if you and them can play it at the same time. I don't think that will happen.

I hope Sony does the right thing.

Don't know why people keep saying Sony is going to do the same thing when they have already confirmed the PS4 will never have to connect to the internet.

They could go the rfid thing, but it still wouldn't be as convoluted as all these MS policies.

 

[Ranger X]

Monday = MONDAY OF TRUTH.

This is the day where our hobby will be saved or will die.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Wasn't Alan Wake on sale on Xbox recently for like, ?

Alan Wake can be yours for only $5 with its American Nightmare expand-alone game only costing $4 and its Signal and Writer DLC costing $3.50 each.

The PC humble bundle was pay what you want for everything alan wake (game, expansion, dlc's).

 

[Cynar]

Wait, what? Where's this? I don't see this anywhere.

Essentially the developers/publishers don't have to allow a game to be sold as used. A company can restrict the sale of their game for as long as they want. A developer who likes screwing over consumers tweeted that he could see a scenario were games were blocked from used sales during the first few months to cash in on all that initial money.

 

[Jarmel]

Not really. They become the only place to allow trade-in value towards a new purchase.

The three month wait will kill a very good chunk of demand.

 

[Vyrance]

lol what kind of shitty internet connection goes down? sounds like you need a better HDMI cable.

do you know what a hurricane is? it takes out your power for lengths at a time, depending on its strength. also HDMI cable, wth? wait, am i being trolled?

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Over 70% of Xbox 360 owners use Live. What's wrong with "24 hour check-in"?

Fuck the 30%!!!

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Most PC games don't become $1 in less than a few years.

Steam has good sales but lets not use ridiculous examples.

The conversation was never about $1 games. Nobody ever mentioned $1 games. Why are you talking about $1 games?

Xbox has rubbish sales and one sale does not indicate a healthy ecosystem. Your example was bad.

do you know what a hurricane is? it takes out your power for lengths at a time, depending on its strength

You missed the joke.

 

[Soler]

Don't try to reason with the hive mind.

 

[TAJ]

Is there anything salvageable out of this mess?

Potential Xbox One Family Account Exploit
---------------------------------------------
- Jerry and Richard link their accounts as family
- Jerry buys action games
- Richard buys RPG games
- (Jerry and Richard become the "Prime Family Member" if you like - the one that can play anytime.)
- They both have access to each other's accounts
- They can split game costs with some organisation

Is this possible? I mean, I won't buy one, but maybe that's an exploit people can use.

It would really only work well if neither of you had any other "family" and you both liked exactly the same games.
And the only advantage over current gen would be not having to wait for the other guy to finish any games.

 

[Diagol]

You don't have to use discs.

Also, servers don't need to be up for "games". Xbox Live is the service that needs to be up. It's not like EA is going to have to maintain the Tiger Woods 2016 server for you to play the game.

So what? I would GLADLY play a game from a disc if it means I could play the game at my cottage. Which I now can't do using the Xbone because I don't have an internet connection up there (and extremely spotty cell reception). Not having to use discs is not a benefit to me, and I can already play downloadable games without a disc right now on existing consoles without having to do any 24 hour check BS.

From what I've read, you would have to check with a server to ensure you have "permission" from MS to play the game in the first place (hence the 24 hour check). What if they take that server offline? Then what?

Why even bother with the risk of buying games for this shitty system if I'm afraid of not being able to play them in the future?

So yeah. Still don't see a benefit from any of these policies. All of this is just anti-consumer BS and nothing else.

 

[spock]

The biggest issue I feel is the forced connectivity, but to be honest we live in a time where it makes more business sense to cater to those who are online then those who are not. Little bit of business insight...

It really comes down to life time customer value. MS pretty much has enough data to understand what each xbox buyer and live subscriber is worth to them over time. I'm guessing its clear that when combined with spending and usage statistics where the majority of their money is being made.

The 80/20 rule (to some degree ie 70/30) is probably at work. Meaning they know that most of their profits is coming from a very specific type of customer. This is who they are going to cater first to. They can afford to lose those who dont bring them the majority of profits because they are going to focus on expanding on the audience who does.

Its also becoming clearer that by putting such a emphasis on cloud/digital only their entire model is shifting. Subscription based with multiple levels, upsells and ala'carte offerings will probably be the norm.

Its looking more like companies such as gamestop, gamefly, etc will be cut out of the picture completely by the generation after this. It does make sense for MS to get rid of all these middle men and for them to provide all the sales, rentals, trades, etc through their own digital only eco-system.

From here on out the entire console industry is changing big time. The clearer the picture becomes the more sense its starting to make. It might be ruff at first but I think all this bitching and moaning will be looked back stupid and people will wonder how they use to do things the "old way". Sure some people will protest, etc...but that's cause people naturally dislike change.

 

[Basketball]

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Who cares about games, I can check my fantasy sports team on the fly.

Yeah, but Microsoft won't let you make that Matt Ryan-for-Tom Brady trade for like 30 days.

 

[travisbickle]

Is there anything salvageable out of this mess?

Potential Xbox One Family Account Exploit
---------------------------------------------
- Jerry and Richard link their accounts as family
- Jerry buys action games
- Richard buys RPG games
- (Jerry and Richard become the "Prime Family Member" if you like - the one that can play anytime.)
- They both have access to each other's accounts
- They can split game costs with some organisation

Is this possible? I mean, I won't buy one, but maybe that's an exploit people can use.

It sounds like the "xbox family plan" is one person on your list can play one game at one time.

So if you have one good friend, you could share your games list with them.

You couldn't share it with more then one realistically, because there can only be one game from your list active.

 

[Stone Ocean]

So, I guess I'm ok with this. If this can help fend off future lay offs and closings, then I'm in.

Let's not pretend this money won't go straight to executives.

 

[Trouble]

Fuck the 30%!!!

I am the 30%.

 

[IcyEyes]

Please, realize this :


They give us RULES to play videogames.


...

 

[DC1]

Is there anything salvageable out of this mess?

Potential Xbox One Family Account Exploit
---------------------------------------------
- Jerry and Richard link their accounts as family
- Jerry buys action games
- Richard buys RPG games
- (Jerry and Richard become the "Prime Family Member" if you like - the one that can play anytime.)
- They both have access to each other's accounts
- They can split game costs with some organisation

Is this possible? I mean, I won't buy one, but maybe that's an exploit people can use.

Yes I believe that is possible. In theory 10 people can by 10 games (all part of each others family)
Each person can play on a unique game from a family members collection (one player for one game). If coordinated right they can pass (family play) the games to the left like a joint.

Oh.. They better have a steady online connection. Every person that is not playing their personal game will be subject to a 1hr check in.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Most PC games don't become $1 in less than a few years.

Steam has good sales but lets not use ridiculous examples.

6$ -10$? Is that better?

I can even get those prices on second hand games from Gamestop and Game!

 

[Leucrota]

Is there anything salvageable out of this mess?

Potential Xbox One Family Account Exploit
---------------------------------------------
- Jerry and Richard link their accounts as family
- Jerry buys action games
- Richard buys RPG games
- (Jerry and Richard become the "Prime Family Member" if you like - the one that can play anytime.)
- They both have access to each other's accounts
- They can split game costs with some organisation

Is this possible? I mean, I won't buy one, but maybe that's an exploit people can use.

It is not really an exploit though. That is how the system is supposed to work. Doubt they will only buy games BOTH of them want. We won't see a 50% percent drop in games sales because of this 'exploit', not even a noticeable drop.

My friends already game the system by buying used Game Stop games and taking them back before 7 days are up and getting the latest, used releases. They have only payed $60 once and played through dozens of games.