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[RepairmanJack]

Has anyone here actually read the announcement it seems pretty clear to me

"Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

Generalize one comment as everyone in the thread...

Yes it sounds like you can have one person of your "family" to play your "shared games" anywhere. The problem is they are purposely vague. If you actually think you will be able to put anyone in your family list and you can just share your games all over the place you are being naive. There will be a lot of crazy restrictions on this and we probably won't know until it's close to release. No way they will make all these hoops to jump through to play your games and then freely create a loophole for people to exploit easily.

 

[demosthenes]

Please allow us to demonstrate how you will be able to share games amongst family and friends with Playstation 4. Another person walks onstage, is handed the disc, and he walks off. That is how you will be able to share games on PS4.

I'd love to see it lol

Would be amazing.

 

[Marcel]

Please allow us to demonstrate how you will be able to share games amongst family and friends with Playstation 4. Another person walks onstage, is handed the disc, and he walks off. That is how you will be able to share games on PS4.

I'd love to see it lol

It'd be a jawdrop moment, no doubt. It's sad that acknowledging consumers' rights is a shocking thing these days, though.

 

[kitch9]

Best case scenario for the PS4 is that they have offline passes at this point. Which forces you to get online ONCE to enter the pass and then you can play offline whenever.

I mean, that's certainly better than potentially losing access to your games if your internet connection crashes for over 24 hours, but in terms of how it actually affects the consumer its essentially a virtual match to MS's policy.

Sony have said they are in markets with poor/no internet so they cannot do anything like this.

 

[kitch9]

If Sony says no to DRM, and EA pulls support, how likely is it for Sony to get the MLB guys to make other sports games again? FIFA the Show or NBA the Show.

EA would no longer support their biggest market in the EU and the second biggest in the US.

Lol, no.

 

[ido]

Please allow us to demonstrate how you will be able to share games amongst family and friends with Playstation 4. Another person walks onstage, is handed the disc, and he walks off. That is how you will be able to share games on PS4.

I'd love to see it lol

Oh man that would be so fucking awesome. I really hope Sony does not tow the line here and actually does the right thing(as every indication so far shows they will).

 

[quest]

No way. 1.5mbps is the requirement. That would require a 4 minute check. You're crazy to think it takes much data for simple lists

This is from the same company that needs 3 gigs for its consoles OS. It will be in the back ground people won't notice how much data it takes or if it takes a few minutes.

 

[genjiZERO]

I've already resigned to building up my retro library and take whatever trickles down the Wii U pipeline should it come to that.

Honestly, there's a lifetime of retro gaming I could do. I never had a Saturn, and honestly I prefer playing old SNES roms to 99% of the games that come out anyway. If only there was a legit Japanese indie scene and someone could make some 2D RPGs and Zelda-esque games.

 

[travisbickle]

Sony has pretty much confirmed publisher will decide DRM policy?

The big difference is MS has put in an infrastructure that checks game authenticity with a mandatory daily online login, and controls the price of resale with specialist retailers only allowed to purchase secondhand games.

MS have said they'll be allowing people to give away their game to one person, and sell it back to specialist retailers, but will allow other publishers to opt out of these.

If sony hassn't put in such an infrastructure, I don't know how publishers could do the same thing on Sony's console....unless it all becomes clear next week?

 

[KungFucius]

I am not buying this system unless someone hacks the shit out of it. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with MS?

Only certain retailers can resell? Wow!

 

[CharmingCharlie]

My debit card associated with my XBL account expires the month before my Live is scheduled to renew, so fuck you and your shitty customer service, MS because I don't have to call you just so you can give me the runaround.

You might want to remove the card anyway. I paid for a friends XBL with my credit card and they kept charging the card even though it expired. I eventually had to get my friend to phone MS up and get them to remove the card from their system.

 

[kitch9]

Has anyone here actually read the announcement?

"Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."


How is this not awesome?

It's not available at launch.....

You can't play the game whilst it is being played elsewhere. And you know what was awesome? GIVING YOUR FRIEND THE FUCKING DISC TO USE!

 

[Ponn]

Has anyone here actually read the announcement?

"Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."


How is this not awesome?

Sounds like a new type Xbox Live Gold family plan. Limitations of that plan will determine if what you propose will work.

 

[Boss Man]

Oh shit! Details are here!

Here's the licensing

Nice highlighting lol

It's so nice of Microsoft to give publishers the option to maybe decide to let us own the games that we buy.

 

[maabus1999]

It's not available at launch.....

Eh?

 

[tinfoilhatman]

Generalize one comment as everyone in the thread...

Yes it sounds like you can have one person of your "family" to play your "shared games" anywhere. The problem is they are purposely vague. If you actually think you will be able to put anyone in your family list and you can just share your games all over the place you are being naive. There will be a lot of crazy restrictions on this and we probably won't know until it's close to release. No way they will make all these hoops to jump through to play your games and then freely create a loophole for people to exploit easily.

Please point out in the announcement where does it say one person?



The double standard around here is pretty pathetic , any idiot that think publishers will let Sony keep the PS360 status queue for DRM and used games is drinking the Sony kool-aid of wishful dreaming.

 

[Freki]

All trust in Microsoft.

Brilliant!
Death to Eastasia - together with our brothers in Eurasia we will destroy them!

 

[alejo0121]

If Sony says no to DRM, and EA pulls support, how likely is it for Sony to get the MLB guys to make other sports games again? FIFA the Show or NBA the Show.

If this is true, it could explain one of the reasons why EA is pulling support from Wii U. Given that it doesn't have this type of DRM for physical copies (but does on the eShop).

 

[tinfoilhatman]

It's not available at launch.....

You can't play the game whilst it is being played elsewhere. And you know what was awesome? GIVING YOUR FRIEND THE FUCKING DISC TO USE!

Sigh..........for christs sake the used games trade is not available at launch family play is

"In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

So reading comprehension is now an issue at Gaf too or are people willfully being obtuse?

 

[Manmademan]

Please point out in the announcement where does it say one person?



The double standard around here is pretty pathetic , any idiot that think publishers will let Sony keep the PS360 status queue for DRM and used games is drinking the Sony kool-aid of wishful dreaming.

seems pretty clear. "you can always play your games, and any ONE of your family may play from. the shared library at a given time."

so no restriction for the primary holder but family will have to take turns re: access.

 

[GuardianE]

•Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

Rereading this bulletpoint, when they say that each game can only be "given once", do they mean that YOU can give the game once and it's no longer in your possession or that the GAME itself can no longer be given after one transfer? That's an enormous difference.

 

[TeflonFong]

The 360 got away with a 69% failure rate, no HDMI, no built in wifi, and they introduced the shift in pricing from $49.99 to $59.99

They got praised for extending the warranty on the 360 to 3 years for RRoD, when in almost any other industry there would have been a recall - you had to be lucky enough to have RRoD in the 3 year window.

Was MS ever really consumer friendly?

But look what has changed...

RRoD is basically solved and the new model systems run much quieter, HDMI and Wifi are now built in.

It is not out of the question that they abandon these restrictive measures ESPECIALLY IF Sony doesn't follow suit. Whether it be from a future software update/patch or an SKU version that enables offline play without authentication checks.

But I am not putting up with a crippled system. FIX IT.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Eh?

Sharing will not be available at launch

Edit: this is wrong :/

 

[RobFox64tm]

What's with all the people saying this isn't so bad? This is EXACTLY as bad as it sounded from the beginning.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

Well, Microsoft just lost my money

 

[tinfoilhatman]

Sharing will not be available at launch

Edit: this is wrong :/

It was as long as your in the "family"

 

[WaltJay]

You really think EA or Activision are going to NOT release FIFA and CoD on PS4 under any circumstances?

Publishers are already not releasing third-party games on the WiiU, including EA and apparently now 2K with NBA 2K14. Why is the PS4 any different? If we've learned anything, it's the publishers are running the show, or at least on equal footing with the console makers.
The 360 and PS3 will probably be the majority of sales for the next couple years anyway, so how many sales of FIFA 14 are they going to lose if they skip the PS4, so long as they support the PS3 (and 360, Wii, PC, 3DS, etc.)?

I'm already assuming the worst when it comes to the Xbox and PS4.

 

[RepairmanJack]

Please point out in the announcement where does it say one person?

The double standard around here is pretty pathetic , any idiot that think publishers will let Sony keep the PS360 status queue for DRM and used games is drinking the Sony kool-aid of wishful dreaming.

It doesn't say explicitly....that's the point. It doesn't say a damn thing explicitly. Please say where it says anyone can play any of your games? It doesn't. It chooses specific words that they will wait to define later. They use specific words that we choose define with meaning of our own and they are relying on that. They are being vague without seeming like they're being vague.

It's nothing to do with sony vs microsoft. What we know now is MS, Sony will come later when we actually know. Anybody trying to put it off on steam or sony is just trying to deflect away from the issues at hand which is MS.

 

[tinfoilhatman]

seems pretty clear. "you can always play your games, and any ONE of your family may play from. the shared library at a given time."

so no restriction for the primary holder but family will have to take turns re: access.

You seriously expected that they'd let you play a game simultaneously on multiple consoles, how does using 1 disc on multiple consoles simultaneously today?!?!?!?

 

[GANGSTERKILLER]

This man can save the industry from a total crash and become a legend. I hope the big boss at Sony realize this.

 

[dahuman]

This needs to fail, we can't let corporations have even more control, because other companies will follow if it succeeds, and the consumers loose and I'd have to give up gaming on consoles altogether. I'm just hoping Nintendo will do their own thing forever and never follow this kind of bullshit.

 

[Marleyman]

Your constant support of Microsoft through this bullshit.

I knew you were going down that path; just needed you to confirm it. Read my first post again, bro. I stated that MS BETTER have secured some exclusives to do this shit. That doesn't mean I support MS; far from it after this official news. I stated all along the past weeks that I would wait for something official; I got it, I don't like it and I am considering not even getting an Xbox One because of it.

 

[BigDug13]

Sigh..........for christs sake the used games trade is not available at launch family play is

"In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

So reading comprehension is now an issue at Gaf too or are people willfully being obtuse?

One feature that sounds totally awesome surrounded by a bunch of shit. I speculate that the feature will not be as awesome as it sounds in practice judging by the other "features" that have been described. I predict only one person can be logged into a game at one time, even remotely. It's not like even 2 people will be logged into your game list at once playing the same game.

 

[CreateNowSleepLater]

Without reading 136 pages, what if none of this works? The pro people are assuming all this DRM will work correctly.

 

[RepairmanJack]

You seriously expected that they'd let you play a game simultaneously on multiple consoles, how does using 1 disc on multiple consoles simultaneously today?!?!?!?

Wut...

 

[Cheesemeister]

 

[tinfoilhatman]

Wut...

People are complaining that with family sharing only one Xbox will be able to play any of your family shared games at one time......well giant DUH

 

[Newt]

I don't think people understand the implications of this news. Having 10 people to share games with is ridiculously good. It's worded as if, if I have 1 game, I can share it with 10 other people without giving it up. This a actually much better than lending a physical disk.

 

[Manmademan]

You seriously expected that they'd let you play a game simultaneously on multiple consoles, how does using 1 disc on multiple consoles simultaneously today?!?!?!?

that wasn't what I said at all, I just responded to you.

but since you asked, the xbox one doesn't play from the disc, it installs to the drive. so if Joe and Jim have one disc, they can install the games on two xbox ones and play it just fine.

in addition, Microsoft is pushing day 1 downloadable content for retail. Shared content should be available to DL between family...Microsoft even says as much. "all titles will be visible to family" meaning registered titles are available in the cloud.

And for the record, Sony allowed sharing downloadable games between 5 accounts, with no restrictions at the beginning of the gen. If all five of you wanted to play one downloaded copy of wipeout hd at once there was nothing stopping you, so it has been done.

it's since been scaled back to 2 accounts due to developer concerns but still works the same way.

 

[Guymelef]

Just receive a Microsoft email.

made by gamers for gamers

 

[tinfoilhatman]

I don't think people understand the implications of this news. Having 10 people to share games with is ridiculously good. It's worded as if, if I have 1 game, I can share it with 10 other people without giving it up. This a actually much better than lending a physical disk.

Exactly, we need more info obviously but right now that sounds fucking awesome

 

[GuardianE]

I don't think people understand the implications of this news. Having 10 people to share games with is ridiculously good. It's worded as if, if I have 1 game, I can share it with 10 other people without giving it up. This a actually much better than lending a physical disk.

Your family. We don't know how the family account implementation is actually going to work. It's still muddy.

 

[Unknown One]

Publishers are already not releasing third-party games on the WiiU, including EA and apparently now 2K with NBA 2K14. Why is the PS4 any different? If we've learned anything, it's the publishers are running the show, or at least on equal footing with the console makers.
The 360 and PS3 will probably be the majority of sales for the next couple years anyway, so how many sales of FIFA 14 are they going to lose if they skip the PS4, so long as they support the PS3 (and 360, Wii, PC, 3DS, etc.)?

I'm already assuming the worst when it comes to the Xbox and PS4.

Wii-U was never going to have those games in the first ace. Seriously look at the Wii

 

[Marleyman]

Exactly, we need more info obviously but right now that sounds fucking awesome

That part does actually, if true.

 

[dahuman]

I knew you were going down that path; just needed you to confirm it. Read my first post again, bro. I stated that MS BETTER have secured some exclusives to do this shit. That doesn't mean I support MS; far from it after this official news. I stated all along the past weeks that I would wait for something official; I got it, I don't like it and I am considering not even getting an Xbox One because of it.

If this is confirmed and 100% accurate, then no consideration should even be had, just don't buy one at all. We need to be on the side of consumers and let them know that enough is fucking enough and the product is not good enough for us.

 

[eznark]

I don't think people understand the implications of this news. Having 10 people to share games with is ridiculously good. It's worded as if, if I have 1 game, I can share it with 10 other people without giving it up. This a actually much better than lending a physical disk.

Not really, as only one person can be playing at a time. It's functionally identical to sharing with a disc. We should be jumping up and down because Microsoft still is allowing us the privilege of sharing games with people? Give me a break.

 

[kitch9]

People are complaining that with family sharing only one Xbox will be able to play any of your family shared games at one time......well giant DUH

MS are advertising it like it's supposed to be this awesome thing but that's how it has always been but now you are restricted to 10 people that have been assigned to a pre set list instead of being to lend the disc to anyone.

Then there's you defending it like some weird happy clapping cheerleader....

 

[maabus1999]

Just receive a Microsoft email.

made by gamers for gamers

E3 will honestly determine all three consoles how true that is.

 

[Newt]

Not really, as only one person can be playing at a time. It's functionally identical to sharing with a disc.

The difference is, is that you can share it with 10 people rather than just 1 person at the same time. Though we still have no clue what "family" means to MS.

 

[tinfoilhatman]

That part does actually, if true.

Agreed , if the Family list is pretty open as to who you can add\delete(I'm sure they will restrict changes to once every 30 days or something) this would be an incredible feature.