HassanJamal
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Do you mean The Dark Knight Return films? Cause those were godly.
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Let's discuss the ACTUAL best comic-book film.
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Messofanego
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That's not American Splendor.
Also, my favourite biographical film of all time. RIP Harvey Pekar. The ins and outs of the comic book scene, movie scenes blending into real life segments, airing out your whole life as art even with the very lows. I never knew much about David Letterman but I hated him after this. Paul Giamatti is now my favourite character actor after first seeing him in this.
But I still love V for Vendetta. Props to the art direction, love them reds and blacks.
Also, my favourite biographical film of all time. RIP Harvey Pekar. The ins and outs of the comic book scene, movie scenes blending into real life segments, airing out your whole life as art even with the very lows. I never knew much about David Letterman but I hated him after this. Paul Giamatti is now my favourite character actor after first seeing him in this.
But I still love V for Vendetta. Props to the art direction, love them reds and blacks.
Chiaroscuro
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Yes, I have a tradepaperback issue with some forewords from Moore saying that it was one of his earlier works and he was kind of naive at the time. However he was refering more of the need of an actual nuclear war to England to become a fascist state, not the overall story plot. Mainly he was becoming even more disappointed at policts over time.
But that does not excuse anyone trying to make a film of the comics after that much time, when its message is not as clear anymore. I do not blame the comic, I blame the movie.
And do not start saying Moore did not approve the movie. It is a fact, but Moore does not ackowledge any movie being made upon his stories, but that is a different fight, not related to any story plot.
He particularly disowned V for Vendetta because they took the whole Fascism vs. Anarchy dynamic of the book inspired by the rule of Thatcher and threw it away in favour of some metaphors about the Bush Administration randomly shoehorned into the UK.
The way idiots on the internet think the real Guy Fawkes was some sort of hero because of that movie is just... really sad, and really misguided. He was an awful person, and we should be very thankful he failed. There's a reason people burn effigies of him once a year.
It was a good movie, but it has a lot of faults.
Screaming Meat
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FTFY
Screaming Meat
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I'm aware there isn't a comic to this... it's a joke
Screaming Meat
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The biggest problem with the film is that it portrayed V as an outright counter cultural hero, whereas the comic consistently questions his motives and whether he is as much a monster as the society he is trying to destroy.
Chiaroscuro
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It could be hard to make a blockbuster movie without a hero. The comic plot is not about a hero, I agree. But even at the comic, its ending redeems V.
Ignatz Mouse
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Speed Racer (aka Mach go Go Go) was a manga well before it was an anime. Nearly a decade.
Messofanego
Banned
that movie suck
best comic book movie is literally special
If we're going with comic-inspired movies, I'll add to Special with:
Super - It's a dark comedy about a broken man portrayed brilliantly by Rainn Wilson. I had no idea James Gunn had that kind of range. I wish Ellen Page got crazy more often.
Defendor - I wish Woody Harrelson was always this good. This is the far more believable vigilante movie out of the recent bunch we've had.
Ignatz Mouse
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More people need to see Persepolis and American Splendor, I think.
Screaming Meat
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I dunno, he does some pretty monstrous things to be considered an outright "hero". If the movie had even bothered to question his motivations and actions, it would've gone someway to making it a deeper experience. Regardless, Evey is the real "hero" and is where the audience's sympathies should lie... in the comics, at least.
There are plenty of classic movies and TV Shows that have dubious "heroes": The Godfather, The Dollars Trilogy, Breaking Bad, The Sorpranos etc.
Messofanego
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Yup. There are so many good comic book movies to recommend to people who think it's all capes stuff. Ghost World, American Splendor, Persepolis, The Crow, Scott Pilgrim, Road to Perdition, A History of Violence, Dredd, and on.
Chiaroscuro
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That is why I say the comic message is ambiguous (on purpose or not). Evey literally becomes V at the end. One of sub-plots of the comic is Evey journey guided by V. From pure to anarchist. From naive to reactionary. Is that what we want to the audience to follow?
As you said, there is a lot of dubious leads on movies, but they are not marked as heroes. The problem with this movie is that they painted V as a hero. He is not. On a gray world, everyone is gray. His actions were no better than the actions from the ones he fought.
Anyway we can analize V for Vendetta (comic) as much as we like but that does not change the fact that V for Vendetta the movie is not even a good comic adaptation, not alone the best one, as this thread implies.
Screaming Meat
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Wait, I think we're singing of the same hymn sheet here because I don't disagree with any of this (although I would say Evey becomes something more than V ever could be, a creator). In fact, that's pretty much what I said in my previous post.
See? We're brain buddies!
sixteen-bit
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Damn, I still need to watch this one
slightconfuse
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Not watchmen or Dredd
NameGenerated
Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
I watched Dredd for the first time yesterday (it's free on Amazon prime) and it was fucking glorious.
Spider from Mars
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Howard the Duck
The most visually stunning comic book movie for sure. Every shot is so well composed. Newman's score is also killer.Best is Road to Perdition.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
The Comic V also has another main character besides V and Eyey, Finch. His journey is just as important, but is glossed over in the movie.
ThisWreckage
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Dredd, American Splendor, History of Violence, Road to Perdition all work for me.
I think that Watchmen is criminally underrated.
I think that Watchmen is criminally underrated.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I had forgotten the dialogue in this movie
It works perfectly fine in context, but its the kind of thing if, displaced anywhere else, sounds insanely pretentious.
Internet in a nutshell.
Hot Coldman
Banned
that isn't Scott Pilgrim
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Also yeah the recent Dredd movie was amazing. I watched it randomly on Netflix about a month ago and I was really impressed.
Screaming Meat
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Hot Coldman
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I also kinda hoped this thread would be about War Zone
afternoon delight
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History of Violence edges out Road to Perdition in my mind only because it takes a more horrifying look at its actions and characters, instead of making you ultimately feel pretty good.
But yeah. History of Violence for sure.
V is still very fun though, and it's cinematography is sliiiiick.
But yeah. History of Violence for sure.
V is still very fun though, and it's cinematography is sliiiiick.
The Artful Dodger
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Does Oldboy count?
It is loosely based off a Manga.
If so, it is the greatest comic-book film of all time.
It is loosely based off a Manga.
If so, it is the greatest comic-book film of all time.
Bumblebeetuna
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I sometimes pretend I am Dredd while playing Hotline Miami.
thecouncil
Banned
I feel like The Rocketeer was really great. Was it?
triplestation
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If we're going with comic-inspired movies, I'll add to Special with:
Super - It's a dark comedy about a broken man portrayed brilliantly by Rainn Wilson. I had no idea James Gunn had that kind of range. I wish Ellen Page got crazy more often.
Defendor - I wish Woody Harrelson was always this good. This is the far more believable vigilante movie out of the recent bunch we've had.
i dont know about the one with woody but the one with dwight was so try-hard, being vulgar for the sake of being vulgar yet none of it was actually shocking.. its like hearing a kid in public using a meme from like 4 years ago
the film also went for a more crude look but still somehow managed to feel polished
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