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[IAmRandom31]

If anyone wants to know what it feels like to have to go through 67GB/s memory bandwidth in a true next-gen engine ... this should help

 

[Brain of J]

Does MS force people to buy Xbone?

Nah, I just like the controller and the launch window lineup better. Plus, I'm also looking forward to the entertainment stuff. A lot to like for me but, damn, MS sure doesn't make it easy.

 

[Unknown One]

60 FPS was a pretty huge bragging point, actually. Even gamers that were unfamiliar with the technicality of frame rates would say CoD "felt" better, more responsive.

Now Battlefield 4 is offering that level of response with graphics that are miles ahead of CoD, and gameplay that is more interesting.

Nice bragging point for people on the forum. I have never heard of any casual gamer saying it "felt" better. I only hear that on the forum from core gamers.

 

[Skeff]

I don't want just the end result, but the why and beyond specs. Poor dev kits? Problems with esram?

I'm not buying that this is due to limitation of specs alone.

The esram is currently developer managed, the tools are not where they need to be to manage it well, it is also too small to have an entire 1080p framebuffer in the esram so it must be manually tiled. The esram is also in 4x 8mb chunks each on a 256 bit bus instead of the advertised 32mb on a 1024bit bus, to get the full bandwidth, all 4 "lanes" must be accessed at the same time, of course this requires the deveopers to put the data in very specific addresses on the esram to ensure you are always reading from all 4 lanes.

TL;DR: esram sucks balls, it will get better but it will still suck.

 

[bigboss370]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

don't see it happening with this game. BF4 on PS4 has higher resolution, + more stable framerate, extra lighting effects, motion blur, etc.

 

[alr1ght]

Using a game that has MSAA completely distorts this comparison.

no AA

apng

 

[IN&OUT]

I don't want just the end result, but the why and beyond specs. Poor dev kits? Problems with esram?

I'm not buying that this is due to limitation of specs alone.

well, Tech gaf have told us since may that the gap is way bigger than PS3/360 one. it's very obvious that PS4 is way more capable system, the gap will remain constant and may even be bigger once PS4 starts utilizing "extra" GPGPU capabilities.

 

[Brain of J]

You, you've been taught
Whipped into shape, now they got you in line
Stand behind the stripes
There will be order, so give it good mind

The whole world will be different soon (when you buy a PS4)
The whole world will be relieved

well done...+1

 

[Demon Ice]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

I'm so curious what the train of thought behind this kind of assumption is. 1080p is considered the bare minimum that all devs are shooting for, they can't even meet that bare minimum with the XB1 hardware but you think it's going to be having performance leftover for all of those extra efffects? You think the textures, which are memory dependent, are going to be better on the system whose memory bottleneck prevents it from even hitting 1080p?

What is this?

Edit: Did you miss the BF4 comparison where the PS4 not only pushed a higher resolution than the XB1, but had better textures and ambient occlusion, as well as a higher frame rate?

 

[Duxxy3]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

 

[TAJ]

that’s not true , you didn't learn nothing from this gen ??

If you remembered your history, then you'd know the original Xbox dominated multiplats despite being an afterthought to devs and having a much different architecture.
Also, what velociraptor said.

 

[Harpuea]

I can't believe I read all 38 pages. That was entertaining.

 

[coldfoot]

no AA

Cod4 object geometry, lighiting, texture resolution is quite simple and low, much lower than ghosts. You should do a BLOPS2 comparison as that's the newest COD to see how the differences will really be.

 

[IHaveCandy]

Are there any legit screenshot comparisons?

 

[Impeccable]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

People still exist like this?

 

[sTaTIx]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

Running at 1920x1080 versus 1280x720 doesn't take 125% more power.

 

[alr1ght]

Cod4 object geometry, lighiting, texture resolution is quite simple and low, much lower than ghosts. You should do a BLOPS2 comparison as that's the newest COD to see how the differences will really be.

I would have to own it to do it. I could only find a COD4 demo.

 

[frizby]

well done...+1

Thought you might like that...seemed to fit...meant in good spirit.

 

[Tabular]

don't see it happening with this game. BF4 on PS4 has higher resolution, + more stable framerate, extra lighting effects, motion blur, etc.

Ya I know, and I was shocked at BF4 considering it wasn't just 56% more pixels, there was other stuff too. But 125% is huge. We'll see.

 

[Always-honest]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

that must have been a really funny feeling.

 

[lord pie]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

I don't believe this will be the case. It's not 125% more powerful, and the resolution difference does not have to indicate it either. I posted my thoughts a number of pages back here and here.

 

[E92 M3]

 

[Jomjom]

I just read through the reddit comments in their thread. I think acceptance has set in.

Damn I just sorted by new and I feel bad for those guys. A lot of them seem really genuinely down about this. Sheesh it's not like 720p is the end of the world.

 

[SRTtoZ]

You, you've been taught
Whipped into shape, now they got you in line
Stand behind the stripes
There will be order, so give it good mind

The whole world will be different soon (when you buy a PS4)
The whole world will be relieved

 

[thelastword]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

Really! how could it have better of anything graphically if it's is weaker? The BONE is having trouble displaying the current models at TRUE HD, how do you suppose it will fare with better models. This is not how things work my friend.

 

[Doc Evils]

#dead

 

[travisbickle]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

Lol, who said this originally before the BF4 reveal? You're parodying this from a post before we found out the differences between BF4 right?

 

[DenogginizerOS]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

Tell us more about these funny feelings, like, where do you think they come from?

 

[Tabular]

I don't believe this will be the case. It's not 125% more powerful, and the resolution difference does not have to indicate it either. I posted my thoughts a number of pages back here and here.

Interesting. From what I understood, you would need >100% CU's to produce 100% more pixels, but I'm no rocket surgeon.

 

[EGM1966]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

Wouldn't is just be easier to just say you're sticking with Xbox as you really liked 360, prefer control layout and aren't really fussed about all this resolution stuff? There's nothing wrong with that - but posting what is basically a "if I believe in the secret sauce faeries they'll come true" seems a little... desperate by comparison.

The position with multi-platform games from last gen has almost certainly flip-flopped in Sony's favour and no amount of wishing is going to change that.

 

[Pop]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

One day pigs will fly too

 

[nib95]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

Doubtful. They aren't going 720p so they can bump up visuals. They are going 720p just to keep up with the PS4 at the targeted build. Dropping resolution AND effects at present is the only way they can.

Add to that, no point pushing better textures if it's going to be 720p upscaled. Pointless as some degree of blur with kill details either way.

 

[AstroNut325]

Here's COD4 at 720 upscaled (via PS bicubic) and 1080 native

everything turned on in the settings.

People on other forums think the difference between these two shots is miniscule and it doesn't bother them one bit.

Well...

 

[bishoptl]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

heh

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Can somebody tell me if this article is serious?

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Confirmed-Call-Duty-Ghosts-720p-Xbox-One-1080p-PS4-60244.html

 

[BlazingDarkness]

If anyone wants to know what it feels like to have to go through 67GB/s memory bandwidth in a true next-gen engine ... this should help

lol

 

[babyghost853]

Surprised people are having such difficulties with this. It's pretty blatant to my eyes. Pretty much the entire darn ground texture is different. Are you like switching between just the Xbox and PC ones?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88110283&postcount=1765


Thank you.

I figured by now some one would have told you that some textures in BF4 are randomized, only saying it now because I don't want to read through another 15 pages of you saying the same thing over and over.

 

[IN&OUT]

Running at 1920x1080 versus 1280x720 doesn't take 125% more power.

It certainly does, rendering 125% more pixels at the same framerates and god knows what "extra" effects, shadows and lightning PS4 has over X1.

 

[EMT0]

I'm honestly surprised the Xbone version isn't at least 900p. Maybe next year, eh Activision?

EDIT: What am I reading above. Why exactly would the Xbone have better textures or tessellation?

 

[NTIETS13A_Superiority]

Surprised people are having such difficulties with this. It's pretty blatant to my eyes. Pretty much the entire darn ground texture is different.


Thank you.

I saw they were different. I asked where were the better textures. I watched those pics pixel to pixel scale in my 900p screen. It was pretty zoomed in because of that but it clearly showed quality was same excludin some nasty grainyness in XBO pics due to contrast and sharpening. Blackcrush makes those XBO pics almost worthless. And I can conclude that LeadButter did not have close look on pics atall.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

"We optimized each console to hit 60 FPS and the game looks great on both"

So the Xbone One version is optimized apparently........

 

[IN&OUT]

"We optimized each console to hit 60 FPS and the game looks great on both"

So the Xbone One version is optimized apparently........

DAT balance......

 

[Metfanant]

"We optimized each console to hit 60 FPS and the game looks great on both"

So the Xbone One version is optimized apparently........

framrate is king for IW and CoD games...something they should be commended for...they may not make the prettiest games...but they perform and play well...

 

[oflaherty01]

Edit: Nvm. Question answered earlier in thread.

 

[Skeff]

Can somebody tell me if this article is serious?

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Confirmed-Call-Duty-Ghosts-720p-Xbox-One-1080p-PS4-60244.html

It's incredibly fanboy-ish, but from what I read(skimmed) the facts are all correct regarding 720p and the internet meltdown on twitter/reddit as well as the eurogamer comment regarding 1080p on next gen. Also it was the xbox 720 in that movie ad.The only thing I'm unsure about is the Wii U stuff, it's likely it has more 1080p games confirmed basically because it has more games but I don't know the CoD resolution.

 

[silver.tongue]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

OMG this thread just keeps getting better and better lol

 

[SirMossyBloke]

Just read that Ghosts only supports 12 players online now on current gen. Wtf are they doing???

 

[lord pie]

Interesting. From what I understood, you would need >100% CU's to produce 100% more pixels, but I'm no rocket surgeon.

Not quite. In fact the opposite, to double the resolution you'd need less than double the processing resources. Typically. The reason being there are often fixed costs and non-pixel processing overheads each frame which have to use the same processing resources (the biggest of which is vertex processing).

As a really simple approximation, imagine an engine required the processing power of 2 cores for an entire frame of vertex processing. If you had 4 cores, then you could devote the other 2 to pixel processing. However if you were to double the core count, you would then be able to devote 6 cores to pixel processing, which is 3x higher.

Does that make sense? I'm thinking the opposite is happening (to an extent) in the case of COD.

 

[Cess007]

Can somebody tell me if this article is serious?

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Confirmed-Call-Duty-Ghosts-720p-Xbox-One-1080p-PS4-60244.html

just like Tim Tebow trying to be a real football player in the NFL. Not a chance

It may be wrong; but i chuckled, i admit it

 

[FuturusX]

If anyone wants to know what it feels like to have to go through 67GB/s memory bandwidth in a true next-gen engine ... this should help

Came for the outrage, gloating and denial stayed for the GIFs.

But all kidding aside. There is clearly a performance issue that won't be solved easily. MS needs to summon it's very own ICE team stat!