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How important is TV input lag to you?
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geordiemp
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I bought a Sony W905 as it had the best gaming response of 20 ms, as well as being a good TV at the time a few years ago
I then bought a Panasonic 50Ax802 which is 30 ms at 4K, one of the better 4k sets at the time.
Lastest is the LG b7, 20 ms 4K and OLED.
If you have dual purpose TV and gaming, its pointless being behind the action by how many frames ?
I am surprised someone like Sony has not made a TV that is Playstation brand and targets 10 ms, put Freesync in it and also Ps4 instead of all the many unused feaures we get in TV's today.
I then bought a Panasonic 50Ax802 which is 30 ms at 4K, one of the better 4k sets at the time.
Lastest is the LG b7, 20 ms 4K and OLED.
If you have dual purpose TV and gaming, its pointless being behind the action by how many frames ?
I am surprised someone like Sony has not made a TV that is Playstation brand and targets 10 ms, put Freesync in it and also Ps4 instead of all the many unused feaures we get in TV's today.
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Leonard Washington
Banned
The most important feature as the snes mini demonstrated amply when it was released because it felt so off until I realized it was due to input lag. Game Mode, hah!
#reflexgang
#reflexgang
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Venuspower
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Of course it is important.
As long as input lag is under ~35ms in 4K HDR I am fine with it.
As long as input lag is under ~35ms in 4K HDR I am fine with it.
billythemule
Member
There is a certain threshold that I can tolerate until the input lag starts becoming noticeable on consoles. That being said, I bought a 4K TV a few months ago and I assumed that the game mode would be good enough for my needs. That turned out to be the case, thankfully 
I wouldn't go out and buy a zero input lag TV if it came out tomorrow but I would have paid extra to have that feature on my TV. The little bit of extra input lag from your TV can tip input lag heavy games over the edge and make them borderline unplayable (GTA5 on PS4/XboxOne comes to mind).
I wouldn't go out and buy a zero input lag TV if it came out tomorrow but I would have paid extra to have that feature on my TV. The little bit of extra input lag from your TV can tip input lag heavy games over the edge and make them borderline unplayable (GTA5 on PS4/XboxOne comes to mind).
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llien
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Well, at 80ms (yey) I struggled with some bosses in GoW, but haven't noticed much most of the time.
With new TV at 20-ish ms, no issues at all.
AMD FreeSync2 has it "sorta" built in, doing the pre-calc on GPU side.
Not clear if they put that into HDMI variable refresh rate standard.
With new TV at 20-ish ms, no issues at all.
The issue is that TV must adapt passed brightness values to what it can actually output.
AMD FreeSync2 has it "sorta" built in, doing the pre-calc on GPU side.
Not clear if they put that into HDMI variable refresh rate standard.
T-I-N-M-A-N dX
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Now that most TV’s have a solid refresh rate it’s the most important feature.
Skyfox
Member
It’s so important. I made sure to check when I bought my tv. I even play certain games using a cable on my ps4 pro.
I’ve a question though - does anybody know if the “auto-volume” mode on a TV create any kind of response delay? I turn it off in case it requires any kind of processing even if it’s super fast.
I can’t stand lag. One of the worst aspects of the HD and wireless era.
I’ve a question though - does anybody know if the “auto-volume” mode on a TV create any kind of response delay? I turn it off in case it requires any kind of processing even if it’s super fast.
I can’t stand lag. One of the worst aspects of the HD and wireless era.
MrMorningMan
Neo Member
Very important. I had an opportunity to use a Samsung KS7000, but the input lag, even in "game mode" was too high that I could notice it. At the moment I'm using a 27" Samsung curved monitor and although it doesn't support 4K resolution or high dynamic range, I prefer it over the KS7000 purely because the response time is that much lower.
lachesis
Member
I never noticed input lags util I had this 60" Sony LCD projection TV back in the day. I used to play a lot of PES on that thing - as I was in a friendly competitive league among 5 of my friends - a monthly tourney of total winning money of $200 bucks. But somehow, the input lag between my TV and my friend's TV are so horridily different - had a lot of issue of precise timing of kicks and all. I had pretty good chance of scoring free-kicks on my TV, yet I was having such hard time at my friends TV - which I thought I had the timing down pretty good.
After learning about input lag - These days I do look for something with very small input lag whenever I buy a TV that I know that I'm going to hook up a console... so it's pretty important factor.
After learning about input lag - These days I do look for something with very small input lag whenever I buy a TV that I know that I'm going to hook up a console... so it's pretty important factor.
Havoc2049
Member
This is me, I do my console and PC gaming on a gaming monitor. I use a TV to watch TV and movies.
kingwingin
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not sure if my tv’s have low lag or if i just never notice it. If its bad enough im sure it would cause me to return the tv tho
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I really only notice it when directly switching from my 144hz Acer to my Sony. Even then, it's just a matter of acclimating. Doesn't really impact my game much at all in the long run.
Phatosaurus
Member
To put it simply, I'll take worse overall image quality over higher input lag for games any day of the week.
Fbh
Member
Maybe it's because I'm not into competitive gaming but unlike framerate or resolution this is really one of those things I can hardly notice.
I mean, sure, a lot of 4K TV's have like 100ms+ of input lag outside of game mode and that shit is obviously unplayable. But my 4K set has around 33ms in game mode and to me it's perfectly fine. I literally feel no difference when playing on my PC monitor
I mean, sure, a lot of 4K TV's have like 100ms+ of input lag outside of game mode and that shit is obviously unplayable. But my 4K set has around 33ms in game mode and to me it's perfectly fine. I literally feel no difference when playing on my PC monitor
TwiztidElf
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Good luck playing Pinball FX3 (and I'm guessing other pinball games) on TV's with bad input lag.
It is unplayable.
Hit the flipper and by the time the flipper moves, the ball is down the middle.
It is unplayable.
Hit the flipper and by the time the flipper moves, the ball is down the middle.
radewagon
Member
I've played on TV's with really bad input lag and you simply adjust. I'm not saying I don't care, because I do, but I think that many gamers are overly sensitive due to some sort of placebo effect.
Having said that, the only times I've really noticed and hated input lag (offline) were in games where the lag was present in the software. Metal Slug 1 in the PS2 Anthology has terrible lag. As does Sonic Generations on the PS3. Those two are practically unplayable.
Having said that, the only times I've really noticed and hated input lag (offline) were in games where the lag was present in the software. Metal Slug 1 in the PS2 Anthology has terrible lag. As does Sonic Generations on the PS3. Those two are practically unplayable.
metareferential
Member
It's crucial.
That's why I mostly play on pc, with variable refresh rates and high fps.
On a tv/projector more than 20ms it's a mess.
That's why I mostly play on pc, with variable refresh rates and high fps.
On a tv/projector more than 20ms it's a mess.
Thomaticus`
Neo Member
Is there a easy way to test input lag? I take it very seriously.
Soul of Cinder
Member
super important especially for shooters.
Have my 4K tv on game mode 24/7 and never remove it. Input lag is still there but way less with that, if you are trying to take it seriously tho always go for a monitor like a BenQ. If you game on a console and prefer sitting on a couch and also use it for other media stick with the TV, what you gain from going to monitor is not worth it.
Have my 4K tv on game mode 24/7 and never remove it. Input lag is still there but way less with that, if you are trying to take it seriously tho always go for a monitor like a BenQ. If you game on a console and prefer sitting on a couch and also use it for other media stick with the TV, what you gain from going to monitor is not worth it.
Soul of Cinder
Member
you can always go to the home screen, take out your phone, put it in slow mo and move left and right and see the difference lol
GenericUser
Member
Extremely important. Just recently accidently disabled the game mode on my TV (input lag jumps to ~100ms, up from 14ms). What a change, felt like the game suddenly takes place under water. I'd say it's the most important feature for any gaming monitor, because every game is bad if you have severe input lag. You can live without 4k, hdr and whatnot, but bad input lag is souring every gaming experience.
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ilfait
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It's crucial. I chose my projector based on it having the lowest measured lag I could find, and I often use CRTs even for modern games in part because of lag. My performance in games isn't why I care really; it's easy to adjust and do fine enough anyway. But the way a game feels can be completely ruined by lag, or at least made worse to varying degrees.
I don't think I'm very lag-sensitive. I dunno. But, I never had a problem with lag. Maybe I just owned TV's and monitors that weren't bad for lag.
My new main TV is Sony 900E. In game mode I think it's around 34ms lag? Anyway, I have no problem with it.
Also, I don't play competitive shooters, so maybe that's why. Seems like those gamers are the most lag sensitive.
My new main TV is Sony 900E. In game mode I think it's around 34ms lag? Anyway, I have no problem with it.
Also, I don't play competitive shooters, so maybe that's why. Seems like those gamers are the most lag sensitive.
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OH-MyCar
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I thought it was blown out of proportion until I started trying to play games on a set that has 50+ms input lag. For Assassin's Creed-style games it doesn't really bother me, but anything even moderately reflex-based is just sorta awful. With retro games like Ghouls & Ghosts and Shinobi, I can't even land the timing to double-jump correctly.
Hostile_18
Banned
Exactly the same for me. Any tv I've bought in the last 10 years I've made sure has a low input lag but it's not something I've ever noticed.
Rayderism
Member
Input lag is more important than many people realize. A few years back, I never even thought about it. I was playing my games on a TV that had horrible lag (it was an old 22" Samsung LCD) and never even noticed for years until I bought a bigger TV (32" Insignia) that had considerably less lag. The difference was immediately noticeable, athough I didn't realize (at the time) that it was because of input lag. Suddenly I was doing better at racing games and I was hitting the flippers too soon in Pinball Arcade.
I never could find any data about input lag on the old 22" TV, but it must have been ridiculous because the data on the newer TV said it was 28ms, but the difference was very profound and instantly apparent. Now I have a 40" Samsung with 20ms lag and I don't really notice the 8ms lag difference with the Insignia, just picture quality. So like I said, that old 22" must have had ridiculous lag.
Anyway, that was when I discovered the importance, as well as the existence of input lag. Trust me, you will get used to whatever you're playing on and won't even notice lag until you experience something better.
I never could find any data about input lag on the old 22" TV, but it must have been ridiculous because the data on the newer TV said it was 28ms, but the difference was very profound and instantly apparent. Now I have a 40" Samsung with 20ms lag and I don't really notice the 8ms lag difference with the Insignia, just picture quality. So like I said, that old 22" must have had ridiculous lag.
Anyway, that was when I discovered the importance, as well as the existence of input lag. Trust me, you will get used to whatever you're playing on and won't even notice lag until you experience something better.
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