FranXico
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Kojima will announce his next-gen project, no PS5 news though.Not long time
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
oh 16 now? 
All I’ll say, is that if it’s 11ish PS5 to 12ish SX OR if it’s 12ish SX to 13ish PS5, either way, it’s a fart in the wind, and we all still win. I’m still more inclined to believe it’s over 11/just under 12 for PS5, as first party are usually a bit more reliable than rando on the internet who keeps changing his mind but we shall see.
Regardless, either way, we all win, because that’s so close it doesn’t matter. Nothing even close to the PS4 and Xbox one days
All I’ll say, is that if it’s 11ish PS5 to 12ish SX OR if it’s 12ish SX to 13ish PS5, either way, it’s a fart in the wind, and we all still win. I’m still more inclined to believe it’s over 11/just under 12 for PS5, as first party are usually a bit more reliable than rando on the internet who keeps changing his mind but we shall see.
Regardless, either way, we all win, because that’s so close it doesn’t matter. Nothing even close to the PS4 and Xbox one days
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Agnostic2020
Member
Look here guys . I like their circle jerk .lol
ps5 is shit , correct sir ? Oh indeed my good sir
ps5 is shit , correct sir ? Oh indeed my good sir
Mendou
Banned
I'm starting to overdose on 'soon'.
nikolino840
Member
Yeah for 300 dollarsoh 16 now?
All I’ll say, is that if it’s 11ish PS5 to 12ish SX OR if it’s 12ish SX to 13ish PS5, either way, it’s a fart in the wind, and we all still win. I’m still more inclined to believe it’s over 11/just under 12 for PS5, as first party are usually a bit more reliable than rando on the internet who keeps changing his mind but we shall see.
Regardless, either way, we all win, because that’s so close it doesn’t matter. Nothing even close to the PS4 and Xbox one days
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I dunno if that’s sarcasm or what, I have no idea.
But either company if they released at any of those specs for three hundred space bucks, the other side will have a hard time. It’s not happening though so.
jackets with pockets
Banned
nikolino840
Member
Sarcasm
Some journalists that i follow they have raised the prediction on 550€ for series X After the 12tf reveal
A 16tf machine Is priceless
hemo memo
Gold Member
I think there’s an internal email at SIE to not use the word soon.
FeiRR
Banned
$300 XSX with a GP sub contract (you have to pay for 2 years), something like telecom schemes. I've actually seen such deals this gen with both consoles and telecoms here. Of course you end up paying 30-50% more (same with phones) but it has its advantages for some people.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Sarcasm
Some journalists that i follow they have raised the prediction on 550€ for series X After the 12tf reveal
A 16tf machine Is priceless
Ahh I see. Well, a 16tf machine is cuckoo land, it’s said by people with a wish list and not much clue on how things “work”. I would even be inclined that depending on which side of the fence you sit, 13 is as well. 13.8 is a very hard sell, due to the sacrifices you would have to make in so many areas just to get there (thermals, yields, having other areas play nice to catch up), but it’s still just in the realm of possibility it could happen. A low 13 could work.
But then I have to wonder how people are arriving at this 13 figure at all. There’s a lot of mental gymnastics on display by posters here just to get to it. And all because some person who has been caught out lying previously said something positive for a certain side, it’s almost like people are grasping at anything after than MS 12 drop.
The truth is though, that 11/12 or 12/13 is absolutely not a game changer in any way shape or form, and the two consoles would be close as damn it that nobody would give a toss. Far, far better than previous generations. But only one of those scenarios seems highly plausible due to the nature of how things all work, while the other is a bit too much of a stretch.
I would say this even if it was the other way around btw, and the SX was the one with a rumour right now while ps5 was confirmed 12.
It’s all confusing, and sadly, as I’ve seen countless times over countless generation reveals... when Sony DO speak, it’s not going to clear much of anything up. Like MS with their latest specs drop, most of it will be missing, and most of it will be misinterpreted, while others will be twists on purpose by the company anyway.
So the only concrete things to say are both machines will be fantastic, and both machines will cost a pretty penny more than usual, but not into silly money like $599 as that’s a bit too much of an ask for people imo.
Neo Blaster
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I know, I just remembered why I prefer the USB cable.
Agnostic2020
Member
I think they know themselves that 16 tf machine is a joke lol . 12 ish is the max we are getting
xool
Member
If there are wires it's not wireless. Show me the wires/
LED Guy?
Banned
Yo it's so funny when you see a huge Xbox fanboy giving credibility to other Xbox fanboys (the most delusional ones like this one) and believe in what they say in their delusional private universe..... YET, guys like Kleegamefan (verified person that has been in the industry for more than 20 years) and guys like Jason Schreier saying both consoles are more powerful than RTX 2080, guys like that get shitted on because they said PS5 is as powerful or more powerful than XSX.Look here guys . I like their circle jerk .lol
ps5 is shit , correct sir ? Oh indeed my good sir
So funny
FranXico
Member
Careful, friend. Some people might call you a traitor for not wishing for a 3TF difference.
Agnostic2020
Member
I just can’t believe Sony ceo Few months back would say ps5 is for people who obsess over latest and greatest and then proceeds and brings 36 cu gpu to market in 2020 . Doesn’t add up imoYo it's so funny when you see a huge Xbox fanboy giving credibility to other Xbox fanboys (the most delusional ones like this one) and believe in what they say in their delusional private universe..... YET, guys like Kleegamefan (verified person that has been in the industry for more than 20 years) and guys like Jason Schreier saying both consoles are more powerful than RTX 2080, guys like that get shitted on because they said PS5 is as powerful or more powerful than XSX.
So funny
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IkarugaDE
Member
Maybe he mixed it up with "contactless".
pd9696
Neo Member
I just can’t believe Sony ceo Few months back would say ps5 is for people who obsess over latest and greatest and then proceeds and brings 36 cu gpu to market in 2020 . Doesn’t add up imo
what else do you expect from a hardcore Xbox fanboy? He's gonna project the lowest numbers.
FranXico
Member
Suits usually don't have a clue, mate. That's just used car salesman talk and doesn't mean anything either way.I just can’t believe Sony ceo Few months back would say ps5 is for people who obsess over latest and greatest and then proceeds and brings 36 cu gpu to market in 2020 . Doesn’t add up imo
Agnostic2020
Member
Well he had to approve a budget for ps5 and a sentence like that sounds more like a higher budget ps5 imo and a ceo of a company gets briefed as to why the costs are high . He is not the PR marketing guy so he knows imo
ethomaz
Banned
I don’t know what you mean but the Elite controller have three wires that needs to contact with the dock to charger lol
Without that contact there is no charger.
In a wireless charger you don’t need contact... just approximation.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
He's surely just trolling. It's way too obvious at what he is hinting at. It's exactly the thing you would do if you were thinking about how you could trigger Silent Hill fans, but any actual guerilla marketing campaign would be much more pronounced.
It's either
Kickstarter for a horror game inspired by Silent Hill (bad sales of Death Stranding mean he's less likely to get a publishing deal for his next game)
or
DLC for Death Stranding.
xool
Member
Me SonGoku and TLZ all did it months back
.. we were bored, very bored, and drunk, maybe
FranXico
Member
That Kugoson CELL2 leak is a classic.
pasterpl
Member
I just can’t believe Sony ceo Few months back would say ps5 is for people who obsess over latest and greatest and then proceeds and brings 36 cu gpu to market in 2020 . Doesn’t add up imo
It is pure pr talk; latest features is not equal power, might be vr, biometrics in controller, haptic feedback, cloud? I am worried that Sony will pull some Nintendo shit
B_Boss
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Your logic doesn’t necessarily apply to CEO Yoshida-san and that’s one hell of an assumption. Some used car salesmen actually know about cars no? You’d think Yoshida-san knows something. Maybe he does, maybe he’s clueless but while you may be right, you also may not be and I lean a bit towards Yoshida-san’s words being probably legitimate and true (I could be wrong). They probably learned a lot from PS4 Pro sales as well.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Read statements from 2012/2013 about PS4, they sound exactly the same. And we got a low end mobile CPU and a medium mobile GPU for it. I am confused as to why people think that PS5 will be a beast based on what they know about PS4. The current gen consoles were underpowered as fuck. What we would've gotten if this was a typical console cycle is the Pro. But at launch, not three years later. It was a generation about doing away with subsidies. And Sony went and sold 105 million so far and probably 140 million when PS4 is going out of the market. Their strategy worked.
So why, just why do you assume that Sony would have any interest at all in going back to the PS3 generation, where they had huge subsidies for fresh hardware and sold 80 million? All this trust in Cerny BS is coming from the wrong assumption that PS4 is powerful. It's not. Even PS4 Pro was not, Sony didn't go for native 4K, they went for checkerboard rendering. They wanted the cheapest way to get to 4K. Again, why do you expect a company with this track record to completely change it for PS5 after the success they had with PS4?
The talk over the last years has always been that for next gen we will not see the huge TF wars anymore, everybody will talk about other things because it's hard to sell a constantly lowering increase gen over gen. Yet here we are and everybody thinks that it's all about TF. Sony doesn't seem to think so. That's why they talk about the controller and the SSD. Just as people predicted three years ago. The odd one out is Microsoft, who just talk about power. Why? Because they have to. They are not the market leader, the only way to regain market share is through power. Sony has a completely different background right now. They don't have to be powerful. They can just release PS5 and if they use checkerboard rendering to close a 30 % gap like they did with Pro and X, which had a 50 % gap (and people don't end telling that Pro mostly even surpasses X with framerate stability) that's totally ok. And not the end of the world.
The only verified information today is that AMD leak that was actually taken down by lawyers and which is 3/5 for now. And everything regarding Sony and how they approached the current gen points to that leak being the actual story. The important thing for success is not power, but price. All that talk from Sony about wanting an even faster adoption of PS5 than PS4 (which was the fastest adoption of any console ever) and here we are having people imagine a 12 TF machine from Sony. Which leads to one thing only, a higher price.
PS5 is a console built the same way as PS4. A medium mobile GPU but with a more current mobile Zen 2. For the same 399 price point. And unless Sony now wants to take a huge loss on hardware (if they sell it at a $100 loss they will lose 2 billion in the first year, based on 20 million consoles sold).
Microsoft had their most success with a 399 SKU. Sony must've expected them to target that price point again for the next generation. And built a console to compete with it. A 9.2 TF console (probably 8.6 retail).
FranXico
Member
JAMMA
Last warning for console wars
Blur has like 3 employees and no kits. So yeah, it’s all hearsay. Doesn’t make him a liar, just doesn’t mean the info is accurate.Are you sayingGavin Stevens is another fake insider, then?
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Are you saying
He's just telling us what he heard. I am sure that he reports exactly what he has heard and believes it's the truth. That doesn't mean that it's true. It's second hand knowledge (or hearsay). Like the rest of it. It's not verifiable by the one that reports it. The only first hand knowledge we have is the AMD leak.
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FranXico
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Info without context and with inconsistencies sloppily posted on github (probably by an intern) could not be telling the whole story either. The fact that it came from AMD and was taken down does not imply it to be completely accurate. There is nothing, other than hindsight, verifying accuracy. Hardly "first hand" as well. I would like to read it too, have been looking for it for a while.
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Agnostic2020
Member
Lol I quote this post to come back to it after reveal and we don’t hear well Ofcourse it wouldn’t be 9 tf
hemo memo
Gold Member
Didn’t Digital Foundry verified the accuracy of the leak?
Agnostic2020
Member
Not the Accuracy of info that this is ps5 and they make that very clear in video . Just accuracy that these were from amd testings at some point in time .
Rusco Da Vino
Member
Look here guys . I like their circle jerk .lol
ps5 is shit , correct sir ? Oh indeed my good sir
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FranXico
Member
They explained how it's interpreted, and re-iterated it lacks context when doing so.
DF talking about a theory does not automatically verify it.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
No, what does imply that it was completely accurate is Renoir (revealed ealy January to exist 1:1 as shown in the leak), Arden (revealed this week as XSX and completely accurate down to VRS and hardware raytracing, Arcturus (revealed as MI100 earlier this month, same specs as in the leak). We also know that Ariel does indeed exist and Mark Cerny called it the "low powered version" at the time of the first Wired article. The only thing that is making people doubt that Oberon is the PS5 APU is that it doesn't feature hardware raytracing. Which could be easily explained by them not using AMD's raytracing solution.
FranXico
Member
And why would they spend more money sourcing RT from elsewhere and then go back and design a way to interface it with the AMD chip? That's not something someone designing a $399 machine would.
jonnyp
Member
I just can’t believe Sony ceo Few months back would say ps5 is for people who obsess over latest and greatest and then proceeds and brings 36 cu gpu to market in 2020 . Doesn’t add up imo
9 TF console would not require a devkit iwth air intake/vent area akin to a Bugatti Veyron and it doesn't align with that article claiming Sony is struggling with PS5 component price either. These things cannot all be true. Would be daft of Sony to release PS5 with the same number of CUs as a PS4 Pro over 4 years later.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Unless you hear about a $299 console that comes with raytracing and scramble to change your plans. Just play it though: Let's say you plan a 399 8 TF machine, expecting Microsoft to do the same. And then in January 2019 you hear that Microsoft has a 299 machine and a 499 machine, both with raytracing. How do you react?
xool
Member
Mmh, interesting :
But why build a chip that's never going into production ? .. just use a Zen + 5700XT/VegaVII approximation PC with Phison multi-channel PCiEx4 SSD controller
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FranXico
Member
If they heard about it in late 2018, or even early 2019, they could just as easily have scrapped it and adopt another chip, and delay release by one year. Use the existing chip to test BC. Because hacking RT into the existing chip would have led to a year long delay, just as easily.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
No, you need huge coolings for running a chip at 2 GHz. And that might have been the only way for Sony to get to 9 TF, aside from a completely new chip design, which would've set them back two years. The devkit design is strong evidence that that the 9.2 TF APU at 2 GHz is real.
Because the plan was to launch with that APU. I agree, if you aim for something higher you can just use a 5700XT. But what Team Sony wants to believe is that Sony did not build one APU that they don't use in the PS5, but two (Ariel and Oberon for devkit, something based on RDNA2 for retail). When you have Microsoft showing that you can do that without building any devkit APU, just one chip that's in both the devkit and retail and use target specs and a 5700 XT before that.
Gediminas
Banned
2 retards. why even bother?Look here guys . I like their circle jerk .lol
ps5 is shit , correct sir ? Oh indeed my good sir
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Yeah, if it's hardware accelerated raytracing. But what if they just had to increase the 8TF so they can run raytracing on the GPU? An 8 TF PS5 without raytracing cores would run at 5 to 6 TF of available power in games with raytracing (see the drops in performance on a 1080 Ti when running RTX). So you are looking at a 299 SKU with 4 TF plus raytracing and a 399 SKU with 6 TF plus raytracing. Not a good value. By overclocking the APU to 2 GHz and gaining 1.2 TF they can increase that gap to around 7.2 TF plus raytracing. 75 % more performance for 33 % more is a much better deal than 25 % to 50 % more performance for 33 % more.
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