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TLOU is no longer Sony's flagship franchise. Will they rethink being an activist company?

wtf. To be a franchise it needs more games. Up until this disaster, it was just a good zombie game - it's nothing near Uncharted, God of War or other franchises that began and made a name on PlayStation, including Resident Evil, MGS, etc

Btw, is there still a plan for multiplayer TLOU2?
 
I always thought that out of all of Sony's first-party stuff, Gran Turismo was the franchise that was basically carrying PlayStation. Gran Turismo always ends up doing impressive numbers at the end. That's also how I would explain Polyphony Digital getting away with minimal game output while having pretty long development times.
 
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Cracklox said:
if I proclaim that the TLOU2 is one of the best games of the gen (which I think it is), somehow I'm an SJW, alt left, woke 'Cuckman' lover or whatever. Nah, I just thought overall presentation and gameplay were both top notch, and the story pretty damn good too
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you can say the same about top production values in Nazi Germany propaganda movies as well

if you ignore the hidden agenda behind, they're quality and significative cultural artifacts

but by ignoring it, you help spread it
 
Few whiners does not make the game a failure or the story unenjoyable to millions. Personally, I enjoyed the pacing of LOU2 way more than the original and the narrative didn't bother me because I'm an adult. I'll take 20 more LOU titles with whatever SJW theme they deem appropriate over 20 more incomprehensible borefest such as death stranding.
 
Hudo said:
I always thought that out of all of Sony's first-party stuff, Gran Turismo was the franchise that was basically carrying PlayStation. Gran Turismo always ends up doing impressive numbers at the end. That's also how I would explain Polyphony Digital getting away with minimal game output while having pretty long development times.
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That definitely was the case in past generations but it seems to be shifting a bit now. I'm not sure racing sims sell as much as they used to and PS4 did just fine without a real GT entry.

How well did GT Sport sell this generation in comparison to Uncharted 4, Spider-Man, God of War etc?
 
namekuseijin said:
you can say the same about top production values in Nazi Germany propaganda movies as well

if you ignore the hidden agenda behind, they're quality and significative cultural artifacts

but by ignoring it, you help spread it
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Can't imagine being this deep into disliking something to use a stupid analogy like that. Yeah, let's compare imaginary propaganda to actual propaganda, very stable mind you have there.
 
JimiNutz said:
That definitely was the case in past generations but it seems to be shifting a bit now. I'm not sure racing sims sell as much as they used to and PS4 did just fine without a real GT entry.

How well did GT Sport sell this generation in comparison to Uncharted 4, Spider-Man, God of War etc?
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GT sport is more like a GT7 prologue honestly. The numbered titles do way more in sales. But I think it sold around 8mil if I'm not mistaken
 
JimiNutz said:
That definitely was the case in past generations but it seems to be shifting a bit now. I'm not sure racing sims sell as much as they used to and PS4 did just fine without a real GT entry.

How well did GT Sport sell this generation in comparison to Uncharted 4, Spider-Man, God of War etc?
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I don't remember GT Sport being very well received when it was announced, everyone wanted a numbered GT, to many people GT Sport was just a side title, not interesting, anyway the sales numbers were not bad, I'm sure GT7 will sell much more.
However, the PS4 did good even without a numbered GT title, the third person adventure games formula are working fine for Sony.
 
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plasmawave said:
If your complaints include "SJW propaganda", "Leftist agenda" or "woke shit" then yes, you're a bigot.
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This is such a strawmans argument, no buddy it doesn't mean that, and this only means you have no argument to defend yourself.

So fucking self richous of you to call people like me a bigot for not wanting an agenda driven game.
 
TLOU2 was one of my most anticipated games before that leak revealed what a disaster it really was (and it saved me from paying for that shit)...from the absurd story to the game being a progressive/SJW advertising tool in disguise.

However even though I hated that game we can't deny that it is still a flagship IP for Sony.

Fortunately the PS4 goes out with Ghost of Tsushima which turned out to be a pleasant surprise!
 
Last of Us never was a flagship (it was a breakout) and after this game it won't be. It could have been but there is too much dislike now. God of War and Uncharted are flagships.
 
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Klayzer said:
Can't imagine being this deep into disliking something to use a stupid analogy like that. Yeah, let's compare imaginary propaganda to actual propaganda, very stable mind you have there.
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Bruh, you knew to gaming?! These are "games" ofcourse our hobby is infested with all kinds of immature deplorables, as few as they are, we will never be able to cry, whine, scream and throw tautrums as loud as they do.

You should see them attack Brie Larson
 
as long as Sony releases bullshit like TLOU2 then they ain't getting my money.

owned a PS since 1995 and will be buying an XSX this year. sony can go whistle for my money.
 
Shinobitron said:
This is such a strawmans argument, no buddy it doesn't mean that, and this only means you have no argument to defend yourself.

So fucking self richous of you to call people like me a bigot for not wanting an agenda driven game.
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Yah, social "Justice" is so horrible....

Yes, you are bigot
 
Trigger Warning

The people who are calling people bigots for not wanting agendas over storylines are just lost in their beliefs.

The lgbt community has already spoken up and said this game in no way represent them.

Your fighting this because you think it's the right thing to do, this isn't about story to you, it's about fighting for your beliefs, that has no place in gaming discussion, this game has brought out the recetera in people.

You can't debate someone who calls you a bigot to fortify their belief system.

Trigger Warning over

If you are not the ones you use insults and strawman arguments I am speaking to you because this is the last time I am talking about TLOU2. DO NOT DEBATE WITH THESE PEOPLE, IT WILL ONLY CAUSE YOU HEADACHES.

Lets just enjoy the games that make us happy.
 
Sony Historian said:
Yah, social "Justice" is so horrible....

Yes, you are bigot
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Na I just have a larger intellectual capacity to understand things better than you, Goodbye, fuck you for calling me a bigot you scumbag, you don't even know me, your childish mind sees something they don't understand and you attack. expand your ability to see the whole picture instead of the picture you want to see.

I'M OUT, SJW'S are fucking cancer in our society.
 
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I haven't finish the game yet, however despite thinking it's an amazing game, both graphically and gameplay wise (story so far has it's ups and downs), personally I don't see it as a flagship game.

Currently for me the flagships are either Spider-man and God of War. Those, per se, have potential to be system sellers.

Hell, even though it comes later on PC, I consider FFVII Remake way more of a flagship than TLOU.

Answering your question OP, no, I don't think Sony will go full woke / SJW on their games / market attitude. They are not that stupid.

You go where your audience / market takes you, not the other way around.
 
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Game releases to insane sales and critical praise and praise from gamers.... you think Sony will change because some small amount of gamers complaining about "wokeness"?

They'll continue to give creative freedom to the people making them tons of money most likely.
 
Geki-D said:
I mean, if the shoe fits. We all know what you people mean when you say "woke" & "SJW" and how a game can go about not being woke is to not have any gay characters in it. Maybe you should stop pretending you don't hate gay & trans people when it's pretty clear their depiction in media bothers the fuck out of you?
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You got some mad mind reading skills. I think the only bigot here is you.
 
Since when TLOU is a flagship franchise...specially with only 2 games...

Ratchet, GOW, Uncharted are better examples of what could be a flagship franchise for Sony....

This generation God of War is by far better than TLOU2 . Specially if you think about character development.

TLOU is a great franchise hope they deliver 3rd game but after the events of 2 doubt it. But is not a flagship franchise.
 
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One time i was driving on the highway.
After 2 hours out of nowhere i developed severe diarrhea.
There was no stop in sight for the longest time.
My hand almost breaking off the steering wheel as i was squeezing it so hard from the pain and agony.
The sounds and words coming out of my mouth would put any sjw screaming at trump to shame.
Then finally after an hour magic happened.
I found a rest stop with a public toilet.
Ran inside all excited but to my surprise the was no toilet seat.
So i tried to hower over it shit exploding out of my ass all over the walls.
While doing so i saw a bunch of condoms and needles on the ground.
Walls scribled with phone numbers and messages from the weirdest kind.
Corona virus would had nothing on the std i could have picked up from one wrong move.

But then it was over. I felt reborn . I felt i can survive anything. Civil war ,nuclear war , joe biden hillary combo...anything.


This is the exact same experience i went through with the last of us 2.
I am stronger more resilient than ever before but i would be terrified to play a single minute of tlou part 3.



The moment sony decides to make this ip their flagship ip i will mive far away and build my own wakanda with walls up to the sky so this shit never ever enters my life again.
 
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TLoU is and will remain a major ip for Sony. I'm not sure a series that has only just released a second game is a "franchise" per se but its a good to excellent game depending on your valuation of the narrative. The game sells exceptionally well and will likely set itself up for a sequel.

When you're part of a campaign or group its important to take a look at the people beside you. If they look and carry themselves like idiots, then its probably best to take a step back. In all of the "0/10's, this game is wokeness to 11, Abby trans" nonsense do any of these detractors come off as an intelligent person with valuable opinions to consider?

The answer is no.
 
Klayzer said:
Can't imagine being this deep into disliking something to use a stupid analogy like that. Yeah, let's compare imaginary propaganda to actual propaganda, very stable mind you have there.
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"imaginary"



enjoy your realistic chubby color-haired armpits new game heroins thanks to sad figure like this
 
namekuseijin said:
you can say the same about top production values in Nazi Germany propaganda movies as well

if you ignore the hidden agenda behind, they're quality and significative cultural artifacts

but by ignoring it, you help spread it
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are you fucking kidding me? Is this how hard it was for blacks when they started showing up in movies? You people need HEEEELP.

OT: I am glad so many supporters forTLOU 2 are appearing, and are left in confusion as to what the heck the fuss isall about.

yes that was also me, I'll tell you I thought Abby was trans the moment I started playing as her and I thought her Bf was trans too, and that they were a trans cult killing everyone for survival. Why did I think that? Because of the "leakers" claiming SJW and an anti gay Christian cult being the villains.

when none of that was true. Yet they keep running up and down the forum that the game is propaganda,going as far as to compare it to NAZI PROPAGANDA.

Y'all need help, the guy you support has nazi flags, confederate flags, is spreading propaganda telling the public not to listen to the news. Go spread your energy over there, and don't waste it on a video game.
 
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Neff said:
yes



TLoU1 was good
TLoU2 is better in every way
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JimiNutz said:
That definitely was the case in past generations but it seems to be shifting a bit now. I'm not sure racing sims sell as much as they used to and PS4 did just fine without a real GT entry.

How well did GT Sport sell this generation in comparison to Uncharted 4, Spider-Man, God of War etc?
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The last number that was floating around was 8 million+. It's technically the second lowest selling main entry in the series, but it's pretty impressive considering how much of a departure GT Sport was compared to the formula shown in numerical GT games.

GT7 should sell even more (I'm pretty sure it's one of the highest viewed trailers from all the games shown last month?) - if Sony was to have just one flagship series (which I kinda don't agree with, they've got multiple), GT would definitely be my first choice. Shit sells a lot of consoles in the EU
 
down 2 orth said:
First of all, this thread is open to all our friends at Resetera, as Neogaf accepts diverging viewpoints. Recently there has been a surge of activity here, and all these TLOU2 discussions have certainly contributed to the growth of the community.

Now to the main question: are we going to see more Woke Sony in the video game industry or not? Four million copies of TLOU2 sold in three days is a remarkable accomplishment, but all the talk of breaking records stopped soon after that, and as we have seen, sales came to a steep drop by any standard in the following weeks. This suggests huge expenditure on marketing that couldn't sustain sales with positive word of mouth. Now that Spider-Man has replaced TLOU as the main PlayStation franchise in terms of sales, and with God of War soon to follow, is Sony going to rethink its position as an activist company for better business, or will it double down to conform with the current political trends in the United States?

Interested to hear what you think. I don't want to burst any bubbles here because I know a lot of people are happy with the sales of the game, but it is important to consider that companies define success relative to the money they that invest as well as their own internal projections.
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Why do you think TLOU is no longer their flagship franchise?
 
IntentionalPun said:
Game releases to insane sales and critical praise and praise from gamers.... you think Sony will change because some small amount of gamers complaining about "wokeness"?

They'll continue to give creative freedom to the people making them tons of money most likely.
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I'm betting TLOU3 would have very low sales. You see, the game sold itself years ago because gamers wanted to see more of Joel and Ellie. Not sure they want more of Ellie and Abby.
 
I have played through the story twice and have yet to see this woke agenda people are talking about. I swear anti-SJWS are worse than SJWs at this point. You had a few woke types whining about Ghosts of Tsushima for about a day and already it has fizzled out but nearly a month later and people are still mad about TLOU2. If the game is such a failure why are the haters still so obsessed with it?
 
down 2 orth said:
First of all, this thread is open to all our friends at Resetera, as Neogaf accepts diverging viewpoints. Recently there has been a surge of activity here, and all these TLOU2 discussions have certainly contributed to the growth of the community.

Now to the main question: are we going to see more Woke Sony in the video game industry or not? Four million copies of TLOU2 sold in three days is a remarkable accomplishment, but all the talk of breaking records stopped soon after that, and as we have seen, sales came to a steep drop by any standard in the following weeks. This suggests huge expenditure on marketing that couldn't sustain sales with positive word of mouth. Now that Spider-Man has replaced TLOU as the main PlayStation franchise in terms of sales, and with God of War soon to follow, is Sony going to rethink its position as an activist company for better business, or will it double down to conform with the current political trends in the United States?

Interested to hear what you think. I don't want to burst any bubbles here because I know a lot of people are happy with the sales of the game, but it is important to consider that companies define success relative to the money they that invest as well as their own internal projections.
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TLOU2 is bad because of the bad writing. there isn't more actual "activism" in the game than the 1st one. the director dose flaunt his ideology and did use the antagonism he developed with people who disagree with his views as a shield to distract from his failures.
 
Nobody cares about the feelings of these right wing gamers offended by the so called wokeness in this game. The Japanese run console gaming and the Chinese are gaining ground they own Epic. The small group of gamers pissed off about this have no power and the devs who agree with their ideals are staying silent cuz they want sales. Sony gives 0 fucks about their feelings and will continue to create games staring women and minorities as the lead characters.
 
down 2 orth said:
Interested to hear what you think.
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All I know is that Call of Duty plastered this on every single loading screen for weeks, going so far as to delay their new season pass:

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Then they banned an OK sign from the game because a few white supremacists in the game happened to use it

www.eurogamer.net

Infinity Ward quietly removes OK gesture from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare and Warzone

Infinity Ward has quietly removed the OK gesture from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare and Warzone.
www.eurogamer.net www.eurogamer.net

and then mostly recently they have renamed a character skin called "Border War" because they didn't want to offend any illegals

www.engadget.com

Infinity Ward tries to make its ‘Call of Duty’ Border War skin less offensive - Engadget

'Call of Duty' developer Infinity Ward changed the name of 'Modern Warfare' and 'Warzone's' Border War skin to Home on the Range.
www.engadget.com www.engadget.com

All of this is far more directly "activist" than anything in TLOU2. Despite all this, the game is the best selling game of 2020 despite coming out in October of last year and having to compete with Animal Crossing which everyone and their grandmother bought (literally grandmothers bought the game). It was the best selling game of June, despite all of the above. Warzone has over 50 million players, despite all of the above, and is now going to be integrated into the next game which has not happened in the history of the series. So you tell me if your Get Woke Go Broke hypothesis still holds water because the data suggests its inconsistent on a good day.

As for your flagship title discussion, the other 3 that could be considered flagships for the PS5 are God of War, Horizon, and Spiderman. All 3 have been called SJW at one point or another. Spiderman for heavily toning down Black Kat in its DLC. Horizon for having "ugly" characters and having a strong independent woman who don't need no man. And God of War for dealing with "toxic masculinity". You can find plenty of soy boy Kratos memes online lol
 
First of all the series was never a flagship. Secondly tlou2 is great. The art, gameplay, AND story are fantastic. Based on the negative online loudmouths opinions I expected to hate it. The thing is it's great. Also for the record I despise "woke" culture. If you are on the fence about this game, or just like great gaming experiences, you should pick it up.
 
Woggleman said:
I have played through the story twice and have yet to see this woke agenda people are talking about. I swear anti-SJWS are worse than SJWs at this point. You had a few woke types whining about Ghosts of Tsushima for about a day and already it has fizzled out but nearly a month later and people are still mad about TLOU2. If the game is such a failure why are the haters still so obsessed with it?
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Not every character is straight and/or hot: woke. (and don't forget "agenda")
 
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It never was the main Sony flagship. It is considered by many including myself to be there best franchise but it never was the mass appeal crowd pleaser. The first one was actually developed as an arthouse game that they never expected to get as big as it did. The fact that they took the same arthouse approach to the sequel instead of making some safe and boring superhero story to please the masses is a credit to them.
 
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