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Omega Supreme Holopsicon said:
you forget woke were making fun of lgbt gay men live on news comedy shows over night, and even woke hollywood made fun of trans during stuff like ace ventura pet detective.

Right now the controversy is over stuff like cuties, for now the twitter mob despite being in favor of gay teen lesbians(stuff like shera), and used to host nsfw cartoon teen fanfic ships in tumblr(hear tumblr nuked that), still views pedos as nonos.

But we do not know the limits, as there exists no real objective morality, and we currently on a fusion of all cultures from those that accept such to those that refute such.

Either in favor or against such, it can land you in trouble just for going along with what your group believes currently. Just for giving an opinion that conforms with the general consensus of what is acceptable.

Also must say that with the internet the notions of privacy and free speech are jeopardized. As say a woman with an onlyfans might have trouble later on, or a guy who committed a notorious act like getting drunk and appearing all over the news might also have issues with basic things like employment at a national or even global level. Kinda unfair, when it is likely depending on the act even asking for food stamps, the gov. employees might put countless roadblocks.

Also personal safety is an issue in today's world, people might come to kill you, and even cops might let people kill you or kill you themselves, god protect you if you land in jail and are notorious(the guards will look the other way as you are made to pick the soap in the floor), depending on what notorious thing you did.

Cancel culture doesn't begin and end with just jobs. Also someone can do very notorious and suspect things even recently and they won't be cancelled if they belong to a group, their indiscretions will be ignored no matter how badly they are.

That is why the flow of information is intended to be controlled, as the power to cancel or not depends on the power to control the narrative of the public. Control the flow of information and cancel info can be kept even recent in check and only used against those who oppose the group, opposing groups if they do not attain a viable channel of information are effectively powerless.

Thankfully all channels of information haven't been fully controlled, or we'd be in big trouble, without free speech to the slaughter we'd be taken effectively blind and mute.
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I didn't forget. And even if cancel culture did begin and end with jobs, isn't it a fair argument that you should be allowed to hold beliefs and not be driven from society for them? Isn't that what people mean by "freedom of speech" and "Views are mine, not my employer's?"
 
They're probably on Reddit or discord nowadays and anonymous. Forums are a dying breed, which I don't understand, discord especially, it's a big pile of everything moving way too fast to keep track.
 
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Buggy Loop said:
They're probably ok Reddit or discord nowadays and anonymous. Forums are a dying breed, which I don't understand, discord especially, it's a big pile of everything moving way too fast to keep track.
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It's because the Internet as a whole has moved away from "communities" per se, and toward "content creators and their audiences." Reddit, for instance, doesn't have community. Subreddits aren't communities, they're not built for community. They're built for content curation. You go to Reddit to look at funny pictures, maybe leave a comment, and move on.
 
skybaby said:
Wasn't there someone related to Woody Allen as well? At least allegedly
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We could all pose as being related to Woody Allen and it wouldn't mean a damn thing.
daTRUballin said:
Is this really true? I've also heard many say that Elijah Wood used to post here too. I keep seeing people mention how certain celebrities have posted here, but I can never find anything about it when I look it up.

Do we know what their usernames were? Where did they post?
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I'm not too sure as I wasn't around when that all supposedly went down. An account was uncovered and turned out to be Michael Cera's who posted incognito. EviLore was the one who broke the news, I would recommend asking him.
 
They DEFINITELY still read this board but don't post.

I know Neil D reads it sometimes and liked a post I made on TLOU Part II. Appreciate you Neil. 😘😘
 
Werewolf Jones said:
They DEFINITELY still read this board but don't post.

I know Neil D reads it sometimes and liked a post I made on TLOU Part II. Appreciate you Neil. 😘😘
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Well there ya go, TLOU Part II is one of the most deliberately socially responsible games of all games. And he helped make it. So if he likes NeoGAF, NeoGAF can't be transphobic.
 
Kaljinyu said:
Well there ya go, TLOU Part II is one of the most deliberately socially responsible games of all games. And he helped make it. So if he likes NeoGAF, NeoGAF can't be transphobic.
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The problem with blanket terms like transphobia in the context of social media is it's such an all encompassing, vague definition. If someone on Twitter doesn't like the way you chew your food in the presence of of a transgendered person and 100 people see it, you've suddenly got a petition going for you on change.org.

I, personally, support anyone doing anything that's representative of their true selves so long as it's not harmful to themselves or others. But with that definition comes my right to jab at whatever I want, too. Humor is subjective, and historically has been used to poke fun at ourselves and come to terms with things in society we don't quite get. I'm not on par with a murderer or someone commiting a hate crime for speaking with levity on the subject, and neither is anyone on this forum. As has been stated, the real cases of bigotry get dealt with here so quickly that generally I have to browse the ban list to even see it.

I've been ribbed on countless times. I'm sure everyone here has. That's part of equality. That's part of being everyone else.
 
ArtemisClydeFrog said:
That's what I've been trying to figure out. What exactly is CANCELLING? Seems like everyone uses it as an anti-leftist term here. All your mums told you to be careful what you post online and that shit stays on there forever. And now everyone's big mad when *shock* the racist/ignorant shit you said online stayed there, and isn't always considered a positive thing when a company is thinking of hiring/investing in you.

"But that was so long ago!"

You aren't guaranteed a job. There's PLENTY of people to choose from. Why would a company WANT toxic ass people to work for them?

"Everybody hates me, I can't find a job anywhere, WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL OF THEM??"
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start a business that relies on an internet presence to survive. then, using your real name, type these three word on one of you online accounts: 'All Lives Matter'. report back about the Cancellation Experience you incur by exercising this perfectly acceptable form of free speech.


Birdo said:
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i saw a pic of this guy recently, he's like really tiny, like 5'1" tiny. does he have some medical condition that's causing this, or is he just a runt?
 
Clear said:
Its not though. At that time NeoGAF was the pre-eminent gaming fansite on the internet by every metric imaginable. Hence it was the focal point, the place most synonymous with Internet gaming culture, and thus a convenient personification of all the IGC's least desirable traits.

The same success that made it a place to connect with fans, also made it a target for a general unhappiness about the very real disconnect of the working experience from the perceptions of the consumers. I highly doubt most people realized how much offense, something mild like calling devs "lazy" caused. Imagine how that'd feel if you and your workmates had been crunching like crazy for months in order to meet a deadline and that's the reaction you got? And the thing is, even if you personally hadn't had that experience, it was a near certainty that someone you know had that at one point in their career - its a shared reality of working in the business.

The plain truth is devs mostly fucking loathe critics and the gaming media generally! It was true when I started in the biz in the 80's and was unchanged when I quit in 2012 or whenever. Obviously, they'll never admit it, or (God forbid) say it to your face because that'd be a self-inflicted injury, there's no upside to it.

Bottom line is this: The overwhelming majority of people involved in the games industry see themselves as working for a boss, not the fans. Keeping that boss happy is what keeps them employed, no matter how stupid, misguided, or straight-up cunty that boss is! Their bad choices are what makes the work hard, and ultimately what tends to lead to gamers feeling dissatisfied and angry about the product. Most people try and keep their heads down, do the best they can, and hope things turn out well because in most instances fixing the problem is above their pay-grade.

These are the devs who feel most resentful and alienated by online negativity - meaning its a grass roots feeling that tends to follow them even if they do manage to rise up through the ranks. The result is that people talking smack on the internet are just another annoyance; its nice to be part of something and feel that thing is enjoyed and appreciated, but the negativity... who wants to deal with that noise? Especially when you likely have bigger frustrations closer to home?

See the clue is that when Cliffy referenced the hundreds of devs he knows, I highly doubt he was thinking about people at the same level of prominence (notoriety?) as him, he was thinking about his team members, his underlings basically. The people who take the same shit he takes on his projects, but don't get close to the same amount of reward for their contributions.

There are a tiny proportion of "names" in the games biz compared to regular working folks, and they all have feelings that can be bruised.

So yeah Lore, while I can understand very well and sympathize with how you'd be offended by Cliff's comments about your community (and by association yourself), its just two sides of the same coin really.
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The Lazy Dev rhetoric is the thing that triggers me the most! It's so crazy you know? So the game sucked, doesn't mean the devs were lazy you assholes. All I picture when someone posts that is a keyboard warrior basement dweller that knows nothing about the real world…
 
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e&e said:
The Lazy Dev rhetoric is the thing that triggers me the most! It's so crazy you know? So the game sucked, doesn't mean the devs were lazy you assholes. All I picture when someone posts that is a keyboard warrior basement dweller that knows nothing about the real world…
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Gamefreak is lazy as fuck
 
Kaljinyu said:
I didn't forget. And even if cancel culture did begin and end with jobs, isn't it a fair argument that you should be allowed to hold beliefs and not be driven from society for them? Isn't that what people mean by "freedom of speech" and "Views are mine, not my employer's?"
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I agree.

But people want diversity of looks not diversity of thought and ideas and creativity. Total lack of tolerance for opposing views and differing ideas.
e&e said:
The Lazy Dev rhetoric is the thing that triggers me the most! It's so crazy you know? So the game sucked, doesn't mean the devs were lazy you assholes. All I picture when someone posts that is a keyboard warrior basement dweller that knows nothing about the real world…
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They are not lazy, but for example euclideon tech and maybe atomontage tech can likely work on ps3 with hdds. The problem is dev.s cannot possibly give the peak performance a hardware allows without optimal algorithms, and no matter how much you learn the amount of information you can learn is infinite, and the right algorithms are like a needle in a haystack.

Look at current ue5, on ps5 and xbox series x and series s it can work. Yet no matter how hard they worked how many dev.s were gonna come up with something like nanite?
 
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Julius Ibidus said:
start a business that relies on an internet presence to survive. then, using your real name, type these three word on one of you online accounts: 'All Lives Matter'. report back about the Cancellation Experience you incur by exercising this perfectly acceptable form of free speech.
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People like to say that cancel culture doesn't exist. That anyone who says it exists is just afraid of offending people. Offending people isn't the issue. I should be able to keep my job despite offending people, because that was the standard we all used to agree to.
 
EviLore said:
If you're looking for direct interaction with big industry names, messages boards have not been a great place for that for a very long time, thanks to the TMZ rejects at Kotaku et al who jump to turn any message board post into clickbait headline drama, and the equivalent on Twitter. Everyone has to watch what they say now. You would only be marketed to through the filter of a PR handler regardless.

Industry people still post anonymously and lurk, though.
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Spot on. Anyone who's been in this industry a long while now knows to avoid message boards like the plague and there is even a lot of "stay the hell off Twitter or make your Twitter private if you insist on using it" discussions within dev circles (at least the ones I'm a part of). I'm a creature of habit though and just remain anonymous.
 
I wish Ed Boon would come here so i can ask him why he torments my soul by not releasing MK1, MK2 and Ultimate MK3 on modern consoles. Talk about easy ass money!!!
 
The only super relevant and actively posting dev I can think of on any board was Frank O'Connor (Stinkles). I see he got perma'd on 'era lol.
 
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Werewolf Jones said:
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On my old username. It was DEFINITELY him.
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Damn. Now you outed him. He will never be back.

He went back and removed all his likes too. Probably doesnt want to get cancelled on era for liking stuff here. It's definitely him.

Drunckmann, if you are reading this, I liked your game to give it my GOTY, but please make your games more replayable. Find it very hard to go back and replay the game even in 60 fps. Too many walking sequences. Too many unskippable aquarium flashbacks. Same problem U4 had. Promote the guys who made Lost Legacy. They get pacing.
 
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Kaljinyu said:
because that was the standard we all used to agree to.
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Really? So this "cancel culture" is something new? You should be able to keep your job if you've offended your customers with some stupid shit?

People have been getting fired for literally no reason since forever, and it's legally allowed. Thoughts and prayers to those who posted racist shit, and subsequently got fired from their job because *Shock* racists are cucks and nobody really wants to work with them.
 
SlimySnake said:
Damn. Now you outed him. He will never be back.

He went back and removed all his likes too. Probably doesnt want to get cancelled on era for liking stuff here. It's definitely him.
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Bro his card in the second game is LITERALLY Dr. Uckmann. He did it to himself... But damn, I still fuck with you Neil. Sorry. 🥲
 
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Never been a big "blue check mark" person myself and neither are tons of other devs I know.

Most sit back and collect reference on Pinterest or Instagram, frequent polycount, and hacker news.

Personally my whole day is spent in the spreadsheet mines or updating 3000 tasks across Jira, Asana, or whatever other project management software clients use.

For me Gaf is a nice chill place to lurk. I also lurk in some 'cords and other places of ill repute.
 
Golgo 13 said:
Doesn't the Era staff try to find people on their site who have active accounts here and perma-ban them? That's the last I heard, and it sounds extremely plausible given their past behavior.
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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case because of what happened to me. I had an account just for the gaming side of things and their Buy/Sell group was super active. My account was a day 1 account, never had a warning or ban, I say 1 thing in off topic about COVID and the treatment of Nurses at the time and it leads to someone attacking me (whom I assume is tight with mods), telling me I'm gaslighting racism and Trump and blah blah blah, which was way off base. Instant perma ban: You have been banned for the following reason: User Banned (Permanent): Defending Bigotry and Inflammatory False Equivalences Over Multiple Posts. Because a conversation is multiple posts and no one is allowed to defend themselves. Sent in appeal and the response was simply "No, we'll leave you banned forever and don't appeal again."

What a great and inclusive community.
 
Werewolf Jones said:
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On my old username. It was DEFINITELY him.
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SlimySnake said:
Damn. Now you outed him. He will never be back.

He went back and removed all his likes too. Probably doesnt want to get cancelled on era for liking stuff here. It's definitely him.

Drunckmann, if you are reading this, I liked your game to give it my GOTY, but please make your games more replayable. Find it very hard to go back and replay the game even in 60 fps. Too many walking sequences. Too many unskippable aquarium flashbacks. Same problem U4 had. Promote the guys who made Lost Legacy. They get pacing.
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Ghost of Johto said:
Seems like they're all on resetera to the detriment of the site. In order to maintain an image to keep those types the website is so heavily moderated that it's become to much of an echo chamber.
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I got banned because it's my preference not to date a trans woman. I was called "Transphobic" and permabanned for it.

I should've known better not to participate in that conversation, I didn't even get a chance to explain my stance and there's no appealing either. The place is TOXIC!
 
JackMcGunns said:
I got banned because it's my preference not to date a trans woman. I was called "Transphobic" and permabanned for it.

I should've known better not to participate in that conversation, I didn't even get a chance to explain my stance and there's no appealing either. The place is TOXIC!
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That's dumb af
 
e&e said:
The Lazy Dev rhetoric is the thing that triggers me the most! It's so crazy you know? So the game sucked, doesn't mean the devs were lazy you assholes. All I picture when someone posts that is a keyboard warrior basement dweller that knows nothing about the real world…
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Lazy devs do exist, they aren't in the majority but something I class as a very similar trait is a complete lack of ambition which is very common. The backlash against calling devs lazy is the same as freaking out over the mere mention of crunch or the push to unionise, it's narratives and talking points set up by journalists and taken up by consumers who have never seen the inside of any studio. It's not the consumers job to be nice when they are being charged for a product, the people making games are the same type of nerd who consumes them, they shit talk other games and their own stuff constantly, nobody who isn't cripplingly sensitive or insecure about their abilities are ever offended. The developers who most often catch that criticism work for soulless corporations who put unreasonable timeframes and budgets on things, they care about as much as a shelf stacker cares when a supermarket receives a bad review.
 
SlimySnake said:
Damn. Now you outed him. He will never be back.

He went back and removed all his likes too. Probably doesnt want to get cancelled on era for liking stuff here. It's definitely him.

Drunckmann, if you are reading this, I liked your game to give it my GOTY, but please make your games more replayable. Find it very hard to go back and replay the game even in 60 fps. Too many walking sequences. Too many unskippable aquarium flashbacks. Same problem U4 had. Promote the guys who made Lost Legacy. They get pacing.
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Literally the reason why i didn't started a second run after the ps5 patch.
 
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It makes me feel very sorry for the people that are so afraid of being canceled that they remove any exposed affiliation to a site as innocuous as neogaf. Most people here do not support the kind of persecution that you often see on the internet and modern social movements. We just like to bust balls some and not walk on eggshells. I feel for you, but you never know when the tides of public opinion will change, so I understand it.

On the cancel culture topic, #artimisclydefrog, is right. The whole time I was a teenager everyone warned about sharing private information publicly and now people tiktok themselves while taking a dump at work. I think when you can see a difference though is when people try to cross-reference vague references you made to try to connect different social media accounts or seemingly minor lapses in security to unmask you, locate you, and punish you, you can call that cancel culture. If I go on my public Twitter profile with company contacts on it and such an post that Bronies are treated like the Jews of the 2020s, yea I should probably expect some blowback.

I forgot how to tag someone.
 
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Drunckmann, if you are reading this, I liked your game to give it my GOTY, but please make your games more replayable. Find it very hard to go back and replay the game even in 60 fps. Too many walking sequences. Too many unskippable aquarium flashbacks. Same problem U4 had. Promote the guys who made Lost Legacy. They get pacing.
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Same problem I'm having with wanting to re-play Ghosts of Tsushima.. or Days Gone.

Sony needs to really cut that shit out; Days Gone isn't nearly as bad as some of their other games but it's just bad enough to not want to re-play.
 
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Kaljinyu said:
I haven't been on GAF in a while, so I don't know if industry people have stopped hanging out here as much. But if I had to imagine, the place now is Twitter. Or Reddit if you're lucky.
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unfortunately, this place has turned into a hot mess of fanboys from all walks of life. It's a constant dick measuring contest, pixel counting, frame rate loving, SONY SONY SONY MS MS MS
 
iJudged said:
unfortunately, this place has turned into a hot mess of fanboys from all walks of life. It's a constant dick measuring contest, pixel counting, frame rate loving, SONY SONY SONY MS MS MS
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We out here

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Oh shit, he banned and birdo banned. RIP ya'll made me chuckle sometimes
 
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One thing I want to say about Era is that basically the few people they have of note left because they did not want to be associated with Era. That's my take anyhow. Known names went away when the forums scary collective psyche became apparent in recent times of upheaval. Seems more than coincidental.
 
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