Lol it's not actually rendering a billion polygons on the console, that's the total triangle count of the entire demo. Don't think we know exactly how many polygons are being rendered in this specific screenshot.Yea, lets ignore a two month old Valley of the Ancients showcase which similarly renders billions of Quixel Megascan asset polygons on Series X.
Alpha Point demo was not a marketing material. It was created for internal use and testing (watch the video)
And they brought it to GDC.
They did not need to crank up polys to billion territory. Epic did that already.
Basically the other side of the same coin.
For real - if we can get games honestly that's focus more on this type of stuff with similar fidelity to what we have - like liquid and fire and smoke and shit all behave properly, the fur moves like that - I could give a fuck about increasing literally anything else, animations and draw distance we've already got. Realistic characters and environments we've already got - I wanna see shit move properly at some point, have some destructability and dynamic lighting - like look at this hair:
It's the same idiot who said Series consoles couldn't do Ray Tracing as it didn't say so on the box
All correct, but I was referring to the memory management portion and the need for coalition to tile repeating textures still in Ue5.
It's not textures they are tiling but geometry. And they do it because it makes all the sense in the world to optimize data, not because they are not using asset streaming but because, taking into account the limited amount of different geometry you want to store both in disk and memory, it doesn't make sense to replicate data at all. Do you think those statues shown on the first UE demo were all different models? Even with megascans we will see a lot of the same models instanced in various places.
Again, if you look at what they are saying, they talk about geometry tiling, not textures. And this doesn't mean anything regarding asset streaming, it just makes sense to use tiling on repeated geometry.
I found this issue puzzling too - in the context of UE5 - because decals /masking is still effectively 2D, and the real gains of lumen's lighting, and nanite come from their inherent 3D-ness.
Ok, I'll check it it out again
Yup, I was talking about disk size and memory optimization. Taking into account that Nanite excels at instancing, it makes no sense to have repeating geometry on a mesh, what you'd do is split it to have a single mesh and repeat it.
Yeah who is this guy?, I see his tweets being posted here and there and it's always to put PS5 in a positive light. He's obviously a paid shill, has no technical knowledge, embarrassing really.
I get what you are saying - in regards of the S, because it isn't Lumen capable, so a fallback to UE4 lighting with old trick, with double memory pools seems like the obvious solution.
And you're relevant, Xbox fan?
Just no.
Just don't buddy, agreeing with this tool just makes you look stupid. The two demo's were created for very different reasons, and the amount of time and resources put in to both are vastly different. They are simply not comparable in any way, and this guys tweets are not worth the time it takes to read them.
Taking into account that Nanite meshes do not support per-instance vertex paint I'm not sure they support per-instance UV so the only way to hide repetition would be with different assets or with decals
The numbers are not comparable when the goals are not remotely the same. Or has the debate shifted to who has the worst fanboys?
I said nothing about the PS5 demo being anything other than incredible, the problem arose when fanboys claimed it could only be done on PS5. That was not true then or now. Still doesn't change the fact this Joe guy is a muppet.
I might be wrong, but AFAIK the workflow would be either use authoring tools that can handle cinema level assets like the 3 parts of the 33million triangle warrior from lumen in the land of nanite to UV like the shield perturbation IIRC.
Lies, everyone knows the PS5 is 160 times as fast as the XSX.
Oh sorry, I misunderstood. Authoring the same asset with multiple UV would surely increase disk size and memory consumption, though. It's a compromise between the uniqueness of it all and disk size and memory consumption.
How many Xbox fans really laughed at the original PS5 demo? One or two dudes on Twitter? Is that worth getting worked up over? I recall most people praising the shit out of UE5 and the only real arguments were if it was only possible on a PS5 or not.
True, but the thing that seemed odd - in regards of series X - is that decals standout like a sore thumb and completely break the immersion IMHO, and have done since the beginning of the last-gen on top tier AAA games. Floor and walls have typically been areas that without impressive mix of real geometry and textures, or very high quality AF, make the visual spectacle less consistent, and if flat with decals, also make it a visual without coherent geometry to impact gameplay or even the animation warping.
They won't..
This demo ran at a average of 46fps, while the PS5 demo was not 1440p either. It was dynamic resolution with the average just coming in at under 1440p.Is that it? Xbox guys have been hyping this up so much! The demo even runs at a lower resolution at 30 fps. Man, all I've been hearing is how this is going to show the sx can run the demo better than how the ps5 was "only" 1440p 30fps.
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Even in that article they said "it's unclear if there's going to be an advantage". Which is true, with the engine and optimization for it being so early, who knows what system will run what better in a few years.I remember this one :
Unreal Engine 5 footage ran at 1440p 30 FPS on PS5, featured no ray tracing
Today, Epic Games showed off a demo for its next-gen gaming engine, UE5.
Asher Madan is from ex ICXM ( yuck ). How Xbox journalist can be so dumb. 2-3 teraflops advantage. LOL Why not 4? People claimed that PS5 is 8 TF console anyway. :/
Wasn't Tim Sweeney implied something similar??
