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[TheGamer] It's Unbelievable That Assassin's Creed Cancelled Its Coolest Concept Ever
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DeepEnigma
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You can do it often in RDR2 as well.
Plague Doctor
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Even if they weren't spun off by Tencent, there is no fucking way the suits at Ubisoft are ever going to place themselves so boldly and unabashedly in the damned if you do/damned if you don't culture war positon.
And I hate Ubisoft but they can't possibly be that fucking dumb. They won't make any more sales by taking a side from here on in. Their political bent will be as universal as possible or not even addressed in games getting greenlit now.
And then... there is Tencent that will break fucking kneecaps if they miss out on ANY POTENTIAL SALES from some dev or design lead running their mouths on social media. Tencent is like a bookie and does not fuck around with this shit.
But it's clear as day journalists' power and influence over devs and pubs is long gone. These articles are basically blogs to a fraction of a fraction of the consumer base from a near exstinct relic of 'journalism' and dying in real time.
And I hate Ubisoft but they can't possibly be that fucking dumb. They won't make any more sales by taking a side from here on in. Their political bent will be as universal as possible or not even addressed in games getting greenlit now.
And then... there is Tencent that will break fucking kneecaps if they miss out on ANY POTENTIAL SALES from some dev or design lead running their mouths on social media. Tencent is like a bookie and does not fuck around with this shit.
But it's clear as day journalists' power and influence over devs and pubs is long gone. These articles are basically blogs to a fraction of a fraction of the consumer base from a near exstinct relic of 'journalism' and dying in real time.
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Durin
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Ubisoft doesn't even have the talent now to make their formula compelling in Japan with samurai/ninjas to help them...no chance they'd do the civil war well.
They'd just waste resources making their game map ever bigger with tedious side-quest content they repeat, with a combat system that sucks + glitches out often enough, and the only good thing would be the graphics.
They'd just waste resources making their game map ever bigger with tedious side-quest content they repeat, with a combat system that sucks + glitches out often enough, and the only good thing would be the graphics.
simpatico
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Cowardice? Bro we're selling video games that are meant to be played for fun. Keep your historically laughable murder fantasies to yourself.
Millennials are going to eclipse boomers in a decade or two when it comes to being most abhorred by every other generation on the planet. Easily the doughiest generation in all of recorded history. Even the younger kids don't have the body shapes these people do. It's odd. Grimace shaped humanoids.
Millennials are going to eclipse boomers in a decade or two when it comes to being most abhorred by every other generation on the planet. Easily the doughiest generation in all of recorded history. Even the younger kids don't have the body shapes these people do. It's odd. Grimace shaped humanoids.
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ecosse_011172
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This place now has more culture war talk and less game talk than resetera.
Let that sink in.
Let that sink in.
semiconscious
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just make a friggin' cowboy game where you take down cattle & railroad barons while avoiding comanches & apaches...
calico
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It's a game idea which was proposed for culture war reasons and rejected by management for culture war reasons. Given the game does not exist beyond the proposal and rejection, how are we to discuss it without mentioning the culture war?
Raven117
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Eye roll.
kruis
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The photoshopped image above is how she'd like to look. Reality is slightly different. Of course she's overweight, covered with ugly tattoos and has the stereotypical blue hair.
The Mad Draklor
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It's a thread in reaction to a gaming "journalist" site culture warring over a cancelled Assassin's Creed game and because of the subject matter, there is "culture war talk".
Shocker, I know.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Have you even read that article? The writer of that piece is the one who wants to keep the culture war going, she's the one who wants to push politics down our throat while we want to play games that don't push politics.
Hypereides
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EDIT: comment withdrawn. Unnecessary rant.
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laynelane
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I am so glad gaming is stepping back from this kind of attitude. The link where "refused to take a stand" is placed goes to an article titled "Ubisoft's Defence of Assassins Creed Should Have Been About Racism".
I'm generally against gate-keeping, but people like this come across as those who simply want to use gaming as a platform for their personal ideologies. It's not about games, gamers, fun, immersion, challenge, gameplay, stories, etc. It's solely about them and their ironclad belief that the rest of us need to be taught the right, and only way (their way), of viewing the world. It's tiresome and has led to some of the biggest bombs in gaming history (Concord, Veilguard, etc.) I really hope gaming companies are getting the memo that making games people want is more important (and profitable) than accommodating these fools.
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IFireflyl
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Dude, will you just leave if you hate NeoGAF that much? Seriously, so many of your posts are you being antagonistic. I don't know what happened on July 29, 2025 that prompted you to end your 7 year sabbatical, but take another one or change your attitude.
JackHanma
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I was talking about Wolfenstein 2, which takes place in an alternate 1960s America that depicts Americans as willing co-conspirators to the Nazis, when in reality Americans of German and Italian descent fought against the Axis in large numbers during World War II. I must of missed that part of history class when late 19th Century America was run by Nazis, despite them being an invention of the mid 1920s.
TropicanaTwista
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I don't care for AC games but that concept would have been pretty cool, ngl. The big problem is I would have ZERO faith that they would do it right story wise. I'm not even a Ubi hater, I feel like they get unnecessary criticism all the time but story isn't their strength.
It is hilarious how these people just either can't see or are intentionally obtuse about the AC shadows thing. It's pretty obvious why there was a "controversy" with that game, even if it was overblown.
It is hilarious how these people just either can't see or are intentionally obtuse about the AC shadows thing. It's pretty obvious why there was a "controversy" with that game, even if it was overblown.
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Minari
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yeh cool concept . black man killing white ppl
la creatura of the night
The photoshopped image above is how she'd like to look. Reality is slightly different. Of course she's overweight, covered with ugly tattoos and has the stereotypical blue hair.
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Humdinger
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The photoshopped image above is how she'd like to look. Reality is slightly different. Of course she's overweight, covered with ugly tattoos and has the stereotypical blue hair.
Reminds me of that Feminist Frequency gif, image vs. reality. Although even the image was a red flag...
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A.Romero
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I don't blame them.
Regardless of the concept and what kind of ideology it pushes, people is so reactive that there is no point in taking risks. It supresses creativity to be thinking about not offending anyone when half the market wants inclusion and the other half find it offensive.
Asscreed shadows turned to be OK and the market's reaction was pretty idiotic. Same with Yotei's protagonist.
Regardless of the concept and what kind of ideology it pushes, people is so reactive that there is no point in taking risks. It supresses creativity to be thinking about not offending anyone when half the market wants inclusion and the other half find it offensive.
Asscreed shadows turned to be OK and the market's reaction was pretty idiotic. Same with Yotei's protagonist.
Unknown Soldier
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I feel like in a different era it could have been a cool idea but in the current woke era we all know the agenda the game would have had
Embearded
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Ubisoft, please listen.
Playing a black man in post civil war America dealing with common problems for black men back then and there, is kinda cool.
Playing the only black man who is known to set foot in feudal Japan after you made him samurai is forced DEI.
If you can't see it, you have s problem.
Playing a black man in post civil war America dealing with common problems for black men back then and there, is kinda cool.
Playing the only black man who is known to set foot in feudal Japan after you made him samurai is forced DEI.
If you can't see it, you have s problem.
digimaster7
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you just realize? thegamer, gamerant has been putting these garbage for years
playbignbox
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Ubisoft writers can't write for their lives, the concept is cool but the decision was right.
semiconscious
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not when you have the mentality of a 10 year old...
Uhhh, I get the sense that this news has upset you. Is this white supremacy in the room with you now?
Yeah, sure wish they would stop fucking up our games with this bullshit.
Aenima
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If thers a cool concept out there, its not an Ass Creed during the US Civil War. AC 3 was already during the American Revolution. Most boring Ass Creed setting ever. US is a baby country, AC creed is more suitable for countries with thousand years of history. Im still waiting for an AC in Portugal, after all thats where some of the templar knights went after being persecuted, and joined the Portuguese Order of Christ that also uses a cross similar to the templar knights, still used this day by the portuguese air force.
For an american setting would be more cool playing as some Inca, Maya or Aztec during the prime of those civilisations.
For an american setting would be more cool playing as some Inca, Maya or Aztec during the prime of those civilisations.
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VolticArchangel
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It's a good concept, but terrible time now politically to market it, right after Yasuke and Shadows.
Social media retards will conflate any media promotion of it with Yasuke/Shadows, compare the two in bad faith with out of context scenes along with gameplay from both games and call it "tHe wOkE mInD ViRuS" and play the victim card by crying "uBiSoFt iS sAyInG wHiTe MaN BaD!!!".
So they made the right call to put it on ice. Try it when all these projects like that Witch game, ACIV remake are all out, maybe after 3-4 years.
Social media retards will conflate any media promotion of it with Yasuke/Shadows, compare the two in bad faith with out of context scenes along with gameplay from both games and call it "tHe wOkE mInD ViRuS" and play the victim card by crying "uBiSoFt iS sAyInG wHiTe MaN BaD!!!".
So they made the right call to put it on ice. Try it when all these projects like that Witch game, ACIV remake are all out, maybe after 3-4 years.
ShadowkillXNA
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It's Unbelievable That Assassin's Creed Cancelled Its Coolest Concept Ever
Leave it to Ubisoft to refuse to take a moral stand.www.thegamer.com
According to a new report by Game File, Ubisoft had a game set in post-Civil War America in early development. It would have been set during the Reconstruction period in the 1860s-70s, and you would have played a formerly enslaved Black man who is recruited by the Assassins to return to the South and fight for the rights of other former slaves, confronting the nascent Ku Klux Klan while he's at it.
The employees (current and former) who spoke to Game File about the project had been enthusiastic about the game, but it was cancelled by management. This is a very obviously cool concept, so why was it axed? According to sources, it was because of the online backlash to Assassin's Creed Shadows' Yasuke, and "concern that the political climate in the United States was becoming increasingly tense".
Let's Call It What It Is: Cowardice
I'm not going to mince words: Ubisoft management got scared. Amidst a growing resurgence of conservative populism in the gaming space attacking anything deemed progressive, paired with global politics swinging harder to the right, the company decided to take the easy way out by cancelling the game outright, despite internal excitement about the concept.
It's not like there isn't a demand for games where characters fight oppression. MachineGames' Indiana Jones and the Great Circle performed well critically and commercially, especially after the game was ported to the PS5, and that's a game where you literally punch Nazis. Wolfenstein, a game from the same studio that's also about murdering Nazis en masse, is getting a hotly anticipated television adaptation.
It shouldn't be controversial for games to unequivocally take the stand that the Ku Klux Klan is bad, slavery is bad, and pushing back against oppression is good. Red Dead Redemption 2, frequently hailed as one of the greatest games of all time, features many instances where you do exactly this. For that matter, it shouldn't have been controversial that Yasuke was put in a video game.
Ubisoft's management is completely unequipped to deal with the repercussions of making a game as cool as this and its management has repeatedly refused to take a stand, either morally or creatively. This is the first Assassin's Creed concept in a long time to make me wish I could play it immediately, and it'll never exist.
Make an Assasains Creed in an African 16th century or so nation whose in the business of selling their own people as slaves.
The protanogist is a Native Japanese man who emigrated to Africa to try to stop the slave trade and he takes down cartels, warlords and slave traders, and sabotages efforts by foreigners to buy slaves.
Day one.
You're welcome Ubi.
Joshmyersbv
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I mean did Indiana Jones perform well commercially? I don't think it did.
Nydius
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Putting aside how it would have ended up getting backlash from both the pro-woke and anti-woke contingents online (which would have been an accomplishment in and of itself), I think canceling it was the right move simply because it would have been consistently compared to Red Dead Redemption 2.
This proposed AC setting would have been in the late 1860s to late 1870s, while RDR2 was set in 1899. Not that big of a difference in time periods and a lot of the combat elements would have been the same outside of the assassin's blade. Nearly every element of this proposed game would have been living in the shadow of "RDR did this first/better".
This proposed AC setting would have been in the late 1860s to late 1870s, while RDR2 was set in 1899. Not that big of a difference in time periods and a lot of the combat elements would have been the same outside of the assassin's blade. Nearly every element of this proposed game would have been living in the shadow of "RDR did this first/better".
Team Andromeda
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I get so bored of how the game that never made it out, would have been the best ever.
Most games are cancelled for a reason
Most games are cancelled for a reason
Larxia
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Ah yeah its coolest concept ever.
Not using DNA to relive history events of the past. Not discovering eden treasures. Not finding clues about the origin of religion elements with a mix of myth and sci fi.
Nah, all of this is nothing in the franchise. Beating up racists, that's AC's potential coolest concept ever.
These people are lost, completely lost. They wouldn't even have played the game anyway.
Not using DNA to relive history events of the past. Not discovering eden treasures. Not finding clues about the origin of religion elements with a mix of myth and sci fi.
Nah, all of this is nothing in the franchise. Beating up racists, that's AC's potential coolest concept ever.
These people are lost, completely lost. They wouldn't even have played the game anyway.
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Mr Reasonable
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The line about " let's call it what it is: COWARDICE" is where it goes wrong.
Tbh, in 2025 I can imagine a situation where some people get bent out of shape about these themes.
I can also imagine some of those people rolling their eyes and loudly criticising Ubisoft for being too woke the moment there's a piece of news that can be misrepresented.
If you think that's unlikely, look at the backlash to other fairly innocuous things in games.
And that wave of negativity can cancel complete games that have launched.
So, it seems pretty sensible on Ubisoft's part, but also very, very sad.
Tbh, in 2025 I can imagine a situation where some people get bent out of shape about these themes.
I can also imagine some of those people rolling their eyes and loudly criticising Ubisoft for being too woke the moment there's a piece of news that can be misrepresented.
If you think that's unlikely, look at the backlash to other fairly innocuous things in games.
And that wave of negativity can cancel complete games that have launched.
So, it seems pretty sensible on Ubisoft's part, but also very, very sad.
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Wildebeest
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Hard to say if it would really be that "cool". The concept might wear thin after a handful of hours while modern Assassin's Creed games seem to be minimum 30 hours with more than double that for a normal play through.
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