sncvsrtoip
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Rather not but also not ps5 level with probably higher price especially six years into the current console generationNot sure what people have expected. 5090 performance for 500$ or what?
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rodrigolfp
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Doesn't matter much and it is still overblown
It can be much more significant for the PS5 as it is starving for every CPU cores and cycles but for PC not really.
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They did... it's called an iPhone. The Neo uses the A18 Pro, same SOC powering the iPhone 16 Pro and Max.
Oh you don't like touch screens?
Topher
Identifies as young
You are going to pay a lot of money for that egpu setup just to lose 20% of the performance through the USB4 interface..
_oni_
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Are we pretending the Steam Machine is going to be cheap?
You can build an eGPU with a comparable/better performance for around $400.
Topher
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I didn't say anything about Steam Machine price. I'm talking about the overhead associated with egpu using USB 4. A $400 egpu is useless by itself. That Z1 Extreme handheld with USB 4 alone is going to cost you at least a grand. And then you will need to buy a gpu that is more powerful than the 7600 due to the 20% performance hit of the egpu. You would be better off getting a mini PC with oculink. You are already over a thousand dollars either way.
_oni_
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I agree with you. My suggestion was for someone who already owns a Z1E handheld and is considering a Steam Machine.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
$500 is insanely low and literally impossible in 2026.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Seems like a low-tier PC though.
Topher
Identifies as young
Gotcha. That's a viable solution then. Probably would be worth it to bump up to a 9060 XT and you have a pretty nice hybrid setup.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I want to check it against my current build which is years old now.
A lot of the docks are just under $100 and are essentially a very cut down test bench frame. You need to mount a PSU to it which will have cables running off it. Then you have an expensive GPU sitting out in the open.
You're looking at $550+ for a 9060XT setup. Don't even look at the purpose built eGPUs. Those are mobile 7600xt for more like $800.
So something that's roughly 75% of the size of a PC that offers no protection to the components, and cables just hanging out? Before prices when crazy it would have been $300 or so to complete the build and just have a extra full PC to game on. It's PC Steam and other launchers have free cloud saves that sync between devices. It'll be less hassle than switching display settings back and forth from handheld to large screen.
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DarkShadowXI
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I appreciate the suggestions guys, I really do, but it's funny to me how many people are trying to talk me out of buying this thing without asking me what I'm using it for.
My Use Case for a Steam Machine:
I just want an aesthetically pleasing tiny box to put inside of the cubbies hole of my nice dresser in the bedroom with the ability to turn it on with a controller like a console, without getting out of bed, so that I can play my backlog of like 8,000 JRPGs on Steam for a half hour each night before I fall asleep, so that I have a chance to beat at least 25% of them before I'm dead
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Nobody who spent longer than 20 seconds looking at the specs should have expected ground breaking performance.
Topher
Identifies as young
I appreciate the suggestions guys, I really do, but it's funny to me how many people are trying to talk me out of buying this thing without asking me what I'm using it for.
My Use Case for a Steam Machine:
I just want an aesthetically pleasing tiny box to put inside of the cubbies hole of my nice dresser in the bedroom with the ability to turn it on with a controller like a console, without getting out of bed, so that I can play my backlog of like 8,000 JRPGs on Steam for a half hour each night before I fall asleep, so that I have a chance to beat at least 25% of them before I'm dead
Oh.....I wasn't trying to talk anyone out of anything bro. If Steam Machine fits your needs then rock on
DarkShadowXI
Gold Member
Oh yeah, I know you weren't. You're good!
It's just funny to me how some are like "get a PS5" or "build a PC".
The Steam Machine is perfect for my needs and I'll use it every day, so the value is there. I'll have to copy/paste my use case to preface how I'm using it in all these threads. Maybe it's my fault for not explaining my needs up front.
As long as it's not like $1,500-2,000+. Then it's just crazy talk considering one at that point lol
Yeah about what I thought from memory, Apple makes really impressive SoCs, especially when you take into account how they sip energy. It's no wonder the PC market has been panicking over the Neo, which isn't even Apple latest phone chip and it doesn't have a great cooling setup.
That might be a plus for the steam machine with active cooling, the SM might have better sustained CPU performance.
MisterXDTV
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At some point they will have to reveal the real price......
I want something similar. I spent ~$350 last year for a Zen4 mini PC with 780M graphics that I put stock SteamOS on it. It's more than enough for most JRPGs but is missing that turn everything on from the controller. And the Steam Machine will have something like 3x the GPU performance.I appreciate the suggestions guys, I really do, but it's funny to me how many people are trying to talk me out of buying this thing without asking me what I'm using it for.
My Use Case for a Steam Machine:
I just want an aesthetically pleasing tiny box to put inside of the cubbies hole of my nice dresser in the bedroom with the ability to turn it on with a controller like a console, without getting out of bed, so that I can play my backlog of like 8,000 JRPGs on Steam for a half hour each night before I fall asleep, so that I have a chance to beat at least 25% of them before I'm dead
People just act like it's garbage because it can't do 4K 120hz in the latest AAA releases while selling for $500. It'll run those turn-based games at 1080p high/very-high settings at 30fps without issue, more than likely 60fps on anything you'll end up playing.
I also don't get the people arguing console vs PC who can't give a definition on what makes something a console vs PC. Modern consoles need system and game updates that prevent you from just turning on and playing. PCs can have controller driven interfaces and work just like a console. IMO it's all fanboy bullshit and they see the reasons to stick to consoles evaporating, and they look at their libraries that will be stuck versus having just grown it on PC.
IMO the only thing console has going for it right now is physical media and being able to sell and trade games. But that's traded off with being extremely limited on what games will run on them. Hey Nintendo just dropped one more N64 game this month. OK, the PC had access to the whole library for the last 25 years. Old game that's not sold due to licensing? Almost certainly repacked for SteamOS, ready to play.
DarkShadowXI
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Man did I notice a bunch of benefits moving from a MacBook Pro to a Mac Studio given the form factor. I never hear the fans and the performance never throttles.
My Legion Go S is blasting those fans in the bedroom, so it'll be nice to also have a quieter setup when my wife is sleeping lol
If the Steam Machine matches the Z1E performance, then that's good enough for the games I play. Anything above that is just bonus.
crackajack
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I'd suggest a Poco phone, snapdragon 8 Gen 3 performance level for ~400, or proper Elite Snapdragon with a Nubia Redmagic for 699/799, and a mobile controller from Gamesir or Abxylute or whatever, another 50-100. And install Game Native on it. Okay, that's maybe more for people interested in a Steamdeck.I appreciate the suggestions guys, I really do, but it's funny to me how many people are trying to talk me out of buying this thing without asking me what I'm using it for.
My Use Case for a Steam Machine:
I just want an aesthetically pleasing tiny box to put inside of the cubbies hole of my nice dresser in the bedroom with the ability to turn it on with a controller like a console, without getting out of bed, so that I can play my backlog of like 8,000 JRPGs on Steam for a half hour each night before I fall asleep, so that I have a chance to beat at least 25% of them before I'm dead
I think there are a few Android based stationary consoles but those aim at SNES & PS2 etc emulation and are lower end.
A PS TV like device with a current Snapdragon would actually be quite nice and should not cost much more than 500-600, even now. And Valve probably should have done that with their Steam machine.
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DarkShadowXI
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*Click "Add to cart" to see price*
MisterXDTV
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The back seat analysts claiming the CPU is trash are pretty funny. People are hyped about the 5800X3D re-release next week to give their Zen 2/3 system an upgrade as one of the best gaming PCs.
The 5800X3D Geekbench 6.7.1 Windows rather than Linux but same version
Single core: 2180
Multi core: 10,783
Valve Fremont
Single core: 2334
Multi core: 7316
Yes, 8C/16T will beat 6C/12T in multi core tests. But the single threaded performance is faster than the 5800X3D which isn't surprising as a 7600X which is 6C/12T is overall a better gaming CPU than the 5800X3D. The additional AVX512 optimizations in Zen4 can give a big uplift over Zen 3 for certain tasks.
The 5800X3D Geekbench 6.7.1 Windows rather than Linux but same version
Single core: 2180
Multi core: 10,783
Valve Fremont
Single core: 2334
Multi core: 7316
Yes, 8C/16T will beat 6C/12T in multi core tests. But the single threaded performance is faster than the 5800X3D which isn't surprising as a 7600X which is 6C/12T is overall a better gaming CPU than the 5800X3D. The additional AVX512 optimizations in Zen4 can give a big uplift over Zen 3 for certain tasks.
Same RDNA 3 architecture, but 28CU vs 12CU. Will also have access to more power so will run at higher clocks with less throttling. And GDDR6 vs LPDDR5 for more memory bandwidth.
Zacfoldor
Gold Member
This looks super shitty and I'm afraid it will be overpriced.
I wanted this to be good but I think it was always gonna be overpriced. The ram crisis just exacerbated that. I don't think Valve has the ability to make the hardware cheap enough for mainstream.
I'm a huge valve supporter and love the platform. This nor the steamdeck at the current price, is it. I could never recommend this to someone.
I wanted this to be good but I think it was always gonna be overpriced. The ram crisis just exacerbated that. I don't think Valve has the ability to make the hardware cheap enough for mainstream.
I'm a huge valve supporter and love the platform. This nor the steamdeck at the current price, is it. I could never recommend this to someone.
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StereoVsn
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Realistically though if AMD RDNA5 APUs become available in 2028, that would be a good time to try this again.
The current low specced GabeBox is pointless at the crazy RAM/SSD pricing.
Horseganador
Member
Since it was announced, the specs have been awful for a system that's coming out in 2026 (and will probably be quite expensive), it will sell very little.
Moondoggy
Member
This was clearly always going to have mid grade specs, which would have been fine before the hardware shortage shot the price up to an unreasonable amount, now I'd just tell people to save their money for an extra year or so and just get a decent pre-built instead if they want to get into Steam and PC gaming.
_oni_
Member
For that use case the Gabecube sounds a lot comfier yeahI appreciate the suggestions guys, I really do, but it's funny to me how many people are trying to talk me out of buying this thing without asking me what I'm using it for.
My Use Case for a Steam Machine:
I just want an aesthetically pleasing tiny box to put inside of the cubbies hole of my nice dresser in the bedroom with the ability to turn it on with a controller like a console, without getting out of bed, so that I can play my backlog of like 8,000 JRPGs on Steam for a half hour each night before I fall asleep, so that I have a chance to beat at least 25% of them before I'm dead
Topher
Identifies as young
A lot of the docks are just under $100 and are essentially a very cut down test bench frame. You need to mount a PSU to it which will have cables running off it. Then you have an expensive GPU sitting out in the open.
You're looking at $550+ for a 9060XT setup. Don't even look at the purpose built eGPUs. Those are mobile 7600xt for more like $800.
So something that's roughly 75% of the size of a PC that offers no protection to the components, and cables just hanging out? Before prices when crazy it would have been $300 or so to complete the build and just have a extra full PC to game on. It's PC Steam and other launchers have free cloud saves that sync between devices. It'll be less hassle than switching display settings back and forth from handheld to large screen.
I'm talking about if you want a hybrid solution then this is viable. Not saying it is cost effective and like I was saying previously, you are losing some performance along the way. Just need to know what you are getting with a setup like this.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Am looking forward to seeing how Steam Frame performs
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Asha's balls in my throat?
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
I really wants this to succeed, even though im not the target audience. I guess this will be a tough sell if the price is not right.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So about 600,000 units sold total in the first 4 years?
DarkShadowXI
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winjer
Gold Member
A test using a GTX1060 is worthless.
That GPU does not support support hardware-accelerated compression/decompression, so it's done on the CPU.
And because the CPU in that test is a 2700, of course it's going to be the limiting factor and Direct Storage will look almost identical, comparing on vs off.
Darkness_Arises
Member
If I had to bet, that would be my upper limit, assuming the price is more than 1000$.
hinch7
Member
Missing the 96MB of L3 cache which makes a huge difference in most games, I'd be surprised if this has more than 16MB like the 7450U.The back seat analysts claiming the CPU is trash are pretty funny. People are hyped about the 5800X3D re-release next week to give their Zen 2/3 system an upgrade as one of the best gaming PCs.
The 5800X3D Geekbench 6.7.1 Windows rather than Linux but same version
Single core: 2180
Multi core: 10,783
Valve Fremont
Single core: 2334
Multi core: 7316
Yes, 8C/16T will beat 6C/12T in multi core tests. But the single threaded performance is faster than the 5800X3D which isn't surprising as a 7600X which is 6C/12T is overall a better gaming CPU than the 5800X3D. The additional AVX512 optimizations in Zen4 can give a big uplift over Zen 3 for certain tasks.
Same RDNA 3 architecture, but 28CU vs 12CU. Will also have access to more power so will run at higher clocks with less throttling. And GDDR6 vs LPDDR5 for more memory bandwidth.
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Not as many as you think. It can smooth out 0.1% low hitching. But I'm not trying to argue it's a better processor in all cases. Just that it's far from weak crap like some people are claiming.
https://howmanyfps.com/processors/comparisons/ryzen-5-7600x-vs-ryzen-7-5800x3d
rodrigolfp
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