Hideous Snake
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No not really. Lol at people saying there would be no paying online to play MP. TRUST ME, they will all find a way
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If Microsoft never entered the gaming space.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
No online gaming on consoles, no exclusive DLC bullshit for multiplatform games, no CEOs on social media trying to create their own armies of unstable fans, etc
I can't think of a single good thing they brought to the table, that they innovated in terms of hardware or otherwise.
I can't think of a single good thing they brought to the table, that they innovated in terms of hardware or otherwise.
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
Nope. Gears and Halo were gonna come out with or without MS.
CentralScrutinizer
Member
No. I think Microsoft, specifically the Xbox 360, gave Sony a much needed wake up call and push in the right direction when it was most needed.
Much like how I think the Switch and Switch 2 being massively successful is another much needed wake up call for Sony and we will see a better PS6 because of it.
Much like how I think the Switch and Switch 2 being massively successful is another much needed wake up call for Sony and we will see a better PS6 because of it.
cafecat
Member
More like Nintendo itself when it control 3rd party on how many game cartridges could be produced (pay money 1st to Nintendo even studio not sure if it would sell) and how many games a 3rd party studio could make.
The disc format and distribution method alike Sony Music make 3rd parties earn more and less risky in game distribution, gamer get cheaper games. That why a lot former Nintendo partner chose release some of their game on PlayStation.
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
I would probably be happier as the hardware arms race would have probably never happened as hard as it did.
The computer gaming space would probably look a lot different without that cross dev of xbox to PC pushing so hard. Like DX would still be big but it wouldn't have been a MUST for console development as it is now because devs have to use dx apis to make xbox games .. so the jump to pc porting was much easier to evolve.
The computer gaming space would probably look a lot different without that cross dev of xbox to PC pushing so hard. Like DX would still be big but it wouldn't have been a MUST for console development as it is now because devs have to use dx apis to make xbox games .. so the jump to pc porting was much easier to evolve.
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Bondo
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Absolutely- and i been around since day one. Ive purchased every console of theirs for exclusives only.
Most moves by them are to penetrate our living room at all costs - spearheading things that never benefitted us - for example Xbox Live you had to pay for online. That was masked as a "great deal" much like gamepass is today. Difference is XBL was sustainable and actually worked. Now its the console standard practice.
Thats just one example. Microsoft has been inorganically power leveling themselves since day one via acquisitions and money.
The only reason failure has continued to fester is due to the large warchest. Gaming isnt their main focus- its a metric on a board meant to shuffle you into their ecosystem.
Say what you want about Sony, Sega, and Nintendo - but their main products are/were in gaming and it shows throughout their existence.
Most moves by them are to penetrate our living room at all costs - spearheading things that never benefitted us - for example Xbox Live you had to pay for online. That was masked as a "great deal" much like gamepass is today. Difference is XBL was sustainable and actually worked. Now its the console standard practice.
Thats just one example. Microsoft has been inorganically power leveling themselves since day one via acquisitions and money.
The only reason failure has continued to fester is due to the large warchest. Gaming isnt their main focus- its a metric on a board meant to shuffle you into their ecosystem.
Say what you want about Sony, Sega, and Nintendo - but their main products are/were in gaming and it shows throughout their existence.
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LordOcidax
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No
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
Member
Correct. Folks are forgetting there are other big fish out there. Msft highlighted only nvidia & tencent as threats, stadia via google was rumored to be interested in buyouts at one point.
hououinkyouma00
Gold Member
No. This hate boner for Xbox is so fucking cringe. They are obviously far from perfect and there's plenty of things to dislike but they also helped bring console gaming into the online age and did it far better then everybody else with XBL, and helped bring light to Indies on console with XBLA.
Like with nearly everything it's not black and white but somewhere in the middle.
Absolutely false. Anybody that thinks that nobody else would have come up with the idea is naive.
Sony helped bring gaming into the mainstream and helped it become "cool" with a more adult oriented audience. Also SEGA was always going to fail.
bobone
Member
I don't think Sony ever caught up on the PS3.
The 360 ruled the online space that generation. It wasn't even close as far as user experience.
The 360 also let you install games to your HDD, which helped load times significantly. That's another point few people seem to remember now.
The PS3 load times were disastrous.
Moondoggy
Member
Even as a confirmed Xbox hater, the original Xbox was good and helped properly establish online gaming on consoles, and the 360 was just an all around great console(outside of the controllers having a battery pack), it's everything after that's been a dumpster fire inside of another dumpster fire.
bitbydeath
Member
Microsoft took a huge risk because they have the money to do so.
Sega, Sony, and Nintendo don't have that sort of gambling money to test the waters.
MiguelItUp
Member
No.
If they didn't exist we wouldn't know what would change.
People saying they wouldn't pay for online, lol. I'm sure it would've still happened. Because subscriptions existed outside of XBL, and companies still would've caught on I'm sure.
There are a lot of things that I'm sure would've still happened. Including certain IPs still existing, just in a different place.
But who knows?
I wish we never lost Sega in the console market, but I never hated on Microsoft existing in it.
If they didn't exist we wouldn't know what would change.
People saying they wouldn't pay for online, lol. I'm sure it would've still happened. Because subscriptions existed outside of XBL, and companies still would've caught on I'm sure.
There are a lot of things that I'm sure would've still happened. Including certain IPs still existing, just in a different place.
But who knows?
I wish we never lost Sega in the console market, but I never hated on Microsoft existing in it.
Melfice7
Member
Halo was being made as an apple exclusive. As usual microsoft bought its way in
DEAD ORIGINAL
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I'm interested in switch 2 but Mario's the most overrated shit going. I played oddessy and was like this is Nintendo's best?
Sethbacca
Member
And yet it feels like an overwhelming majority of this board don't see Nintendo as competition at all, which is weird to me.
CentralScrutinizer
Member
That's because people are in denial of the hardware crisis and necessary power stagnation we will need to be in for things to be sustainable. Xbox and Playstation fans are about to go through what Nintendo fans did with GCN->Wii or WiiU->Switch.
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RAIDEN1
Member
Well they can do that, AND get away with yet another reboot of Starfox 64....and I guess, they'll do another reboot of that game in a few years time for Switch 3
JoeBlack2027
Member
Hell no. We'd have current Sony many many years earlier. Reflecting bad practices of the time I mean.
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Lucifers Beard
Member
As much as Xbox has shat the bed since Kinect, the OG Xbox was a really great place to play and there were some awesome games and services that came from them. Say what you will about Xbox Live now, but back in the early 00s it was great and even though I was used to online gaming through PC, it felt really innovative at the time.
Without Microsoft backing I think Bungie may have struggled with getting their first few Halo games out of the door with the level of polish they had.
So no, I don't think gaming would have been better if Microsoft hadn't entered the gaming space. I'm really glad they did and even though I don't own an Xbox, I sincerely hope they can get their head back in the game and really add to the competition.
Without Microsoft backing I think Bungie may have struggled with getting their first few Halo games out of the door with the level of polish they had.
So no, I don't think gaming would have been better if Microsoft hadn't entered the gaming space. I'm really glad they did and even though I don't own an Xbox, I sincerely hope they can get their head back in the game and really add to the competition.
SmokSmog
Member
Ps3 would have released in 2005 instead of 2006, but without Nvidia GPU, you would have got one or maybe two CELL CPUs, not kidding.
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winjer
Gold Member
Bungie had other companies interested in funding Halo. Microsoft was just the highest bidder.
Halo was even a center piece for an Apple event.
VEZ1R
Member
Nah. Sony wanted to include Blu-ray drive in the PS3, but at that time Blu-ray drive production was insufficient and they were very expensive. That's why the PS3 was so expensive when it was first released. If it weren't for the pressure from Xbox, Sony would have delayed the PS3 until 2010.
MayauMiao
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HYDE
Member
Yes and in a more secure future.
Naked Lunch
Member
Oh you mean the tiny c stick - giant ass A button - out of place X Y B buttons - terrible triggers - minuscule dpad - one 1 single bumper button?
Sure.
Even Nintendo now knows to copy the Xbox controller 1 to 1 but their analogs and triggers are still junk, even on the Pro 2.
Majukun
Member
Maybe, not in the state they came out for sure though.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
Sure. MS made both worse.
ioo
Member
you really think it's better not to have competition?
nush
Gold Member
You've got that backwards, originally you could not install games on the 360. That feature was added years later after Sony required games to be installed on the PS3 because the data transfer speed from Blu Ray was too slow.
bobone
Member
Sony required it on a few games because their shit was too slow.
Xbox added it in later as an option for EVERY game.
70% of games on PS3 you could not install, and were stuck sitting for minutes at a time during loads.
StueyDuck
Member
as of right this second it would be better, but that's only because their recent choices were so colossal in nature while simultaneously being moronic. Activision/Blizzard (King) was absolutely one of the worst purchases and continues to have massive negative affects on studios and games as a whole.
However...
Microsoft entering the market had many positives at launch, they really opened the door to the horsepower arms race, they pushed online connectivity, gamerscores, introduced great franchises and so on and so forth.
So while at this current second, their entry to the market is detrimental, there were times where it was a net gain to the industry.
However...
Microsoft entering the market had many positives at launch, they really opened the door to the horsepower arms race, they pushed online connectivity, gamerscores, introduced great franchises and so on and so forth.
So while at this current second, their entry to the market is detrimental, there were times where it was a net gain to the industry.
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