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[captainraincoat]

Was looking toward to checking out the latest sniper ghost warrior game but it’s been delayed on ps5 due to “technical issues”



anyone that hasn’t played it it’s a very underrated series

 

[GuinGuin]

Very odd, really. Launch games has no problem hitting their targets.

 

[TaiLopezFan]

The reason why Sony made PS5 version sperate so Devs can’t edit PS4 BC titles is because they want PS5 games to utilize next gen features like Kraken, Haptic Feedback, Triggers, 3d Audio, Game help.

 

[Negotiator101]

The reason why Sony made PS5 version sperate so Devs can’t edit PS4 BC titles is because they want PS5 games to utilize next gen features like Kraken, Haptic Feedback, Triggers, 3d Audio, Game help.

How do you know that? And 3D Audio is not exclusive to PS5 so scratch that one off.

 

[SLB1904]

How do you know that? And 3D Audio is not exclusive to PS5 so scratch that one off.

There is ps5 3d audio and there are the others

 

[Negotiator101]

There is ps5 3d audio and there are the others

Are you claiming better 3D Audio on PS5? As that has not been shown to be the case.

 

[Stuart360]

The game is also releasing on last gen, so any 'technical issues' with PS5 is nothing 'bad'.

 

[SLB1904]

Are you claiming better 3D Audio on PS5? As that has not been shown to be the case.

Lmfao
When you get or if you get ps5 try demons and returnal. You will see the light

 

[Negotiator101]

Lmfao
When you get or if you get ps5 try demons and returnal. You will see the light

Stop with the hyperbole, Resident Evil 8 uses "3D Audio" and sounds no different your fanboy mentality is clouding your judgement my friend.

 

[SLB1904]

Stop with the hyperbole, Resident Evil 8 uses "3D Audio" and sounds no different your fanboy mentality is clouding your judgement my friend.

I dont know l. I didnt play re8. So how fanboy mentality got to do with it.
Is like saying the haptick feedback on re8 is the standard for ps5(I heard isnt has great) but when I finally play it I'll I'll let u know
If

 

[lh032]

hopefully this wakes Sony up for PS6 BC compatibility, they cant screw up again.

 

[GuinGuin]

Stop with the hyperbole, Resident Evil 8 uses "3D Audio" and sounds no different your fanboy mentality is clouding your judgement my friend.

RE8 sounds incredible with Tempest 3D audio.

 

[Gen.Grievous]

hopefully this wakes Sony up for PS6 BC compatibility, they cant screw up again.

They didn't screw up, nearly all games run fine on PS5 in BC. Microsoft simply has a better system.

 

[Negotiator101]

RE8 sounds incredible with Tempest 3D audio.

I'm sure it does but it has no advantage over Series consoles. All next gen consoles have advanced audio, Sony are the only ones advertising it though.

 

[lh032]

They didn't screw up, nearly all games run fine on PS5 in BC. Microsoft simply has a better system.

i dont think this had to do with system, most of these games were not even proper next gen games.
Its how they lay down the BC foundation which Microsoft does it better, best example is biomutant runs at 4k60fps and mass effect at 120 fps at lower resolution

 

[SLB1904]

I'm sure it does but it has no advantage over Series consoles. All next gen consoles have advanced audio, Sony are the only ones advertising it though.

The Sony system is just better. Watch cerny presentation
And demons and returnal are already showing that. Now wait for the next batch of sony games

 

[GuinGuin]

I'm sure it does but it has no advantage over Series consoles. All next gen consoles have advanced audio, Sony are the only ones advertising it though.

Not true. Tempest uses far more moving sources than and competing 3D audio solution.

 

[DAHGAMING]

 

[Chukhopops]

I'm sure it does but it has no advantage over Series consoles. All next gen consoles have advanced audio, Sony are the only ones advertising it though.

The sound argument always cracks me up considering the PS5 doesn’t support Atmos surround speakers for games. So the argument is that a virtual surround solution like Tempest is somehow better than a true, physical surround (with actual speakers positioned behind you) because Sony magic.

 

[Negotiator101]

Not true. Tempest uses far more moving sources than and competing 3D audio solution.

Just stop please, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

[OneTruth]

Exacly. Tempest and Atmos is the same, like many others 3d audio solution for headset. Only fanboys hear differences....

 

[SLB1904]

The sound argument always cracks me up considering the PS5 doesn’t support Atmos surround speakers for games. So the argument is that a virtual surround solution like Tempest is somehow better than a true, physical surround (with actual speakers positioned behind you) because Sony magic.

Ignorant people always cracks up of things they dont understand.

Just stop please, you're embarrassing yourself.

Take your own advice

 

[OneTruth]

You right. Only Playstation fanboys knows true....Playstation = ALWAYS BETTER AND THE BEST.

 

[Calverz]

Lmfao
When you get or if you get ps5 try demons and returnal. You will see the light

I have both. I have the pulse headset. Overrated. No different to Dolby atmos. As for what’s better. Don’t have a clue.

 

[MonarchJT]

The Sony system is just better. Watch cerny presentation
And demons and returnal are already showing that. Now wait for the next batch of sony games

na. it doesn't do anything that can't exactly being done on Xbox
probably is the opposite true

 

[SLB1904]

Returnal Converted Me To 3D Audio

Returnal, a PlayStation 5 action game about dancing with death at an inescapable time-loop space rave, is a visual delight. It’s also an aural one. And at no time is that more apparent than when you play with a pair of 3D audio headphones.

n4g.com

 

[OneTruth]

Fanboys is cancer.....

 

[KiNeMz]

What engine is this using?

 

[MonarchJT]

Returnal Converted Me To 3D Audio

Returnal, a PlayStation 5 action game about dancing with death at an inescapable time-loop space rave, is a visual delight. It’s also an aural one. And at no time is that more apparent than when you play with a pair of 3D audio headphones.

n4g.com

The sound argument always cracks me up considering the PS5 doesn’t support Atmos surround speakers for games. So the argument is that a virtual surround solution like Tempest is somehow better than a true, physical surround (with actual speakers positioned behind you) because Sony magic.

this

 

[SLB1904]

Fanboys is cancer.....

Be bether then

 

[SLB1904]

this

Do you think I surround system I'd better than headphones?

Lmfao
Someone should tell musicians to stop using headphones.

 

[MonarchJT]

Do you think I surround system I'd better than headphones?

Lmfao
Someone should tell musicians to stop using headphones.

wut? talk about 3d audio not of speaker quality and frequency response. as a musician I immediately say that headphones are used to isolate oneself during recordings and not for what you think.
albums are masterized using very expensive flat speakers and not headphones. don't talk about things you don't know or you'll end up looking bad.

 

[skit_data]

Do you think I surround system I'd better than headphones?

Lmfao
Someone should tell musicians to stop using headphones.

Musicians rarely want sound placed out in 3D space in the same way a movie or a game wants it. They often use panning and psychoacoustic tricks since it’s supposed to be played on a stereo setup. Actual surround sound music is pretty rare.

On the topic of wether Tempest is better than Atmos: It’s probably better in the sense that once its available for headphones, soundbars and surround systems (the 3D surround sound is not yet available for the latter two, it’s still undergoing testing so if you’re not using headphones it will be no different than it was on PS4 if i understand it correctly) it will be better for developers to be able to use an in house solution instead of paying license fees.

That’s what very good about it. I don’t think it will sound superior to Atmos, but it will hopefully be more widely adopted.

 

[Panajev2001a]

this

… and that particular argument is wrong. ATMOS surround sound speakers solution, which is not Tempest 3D audio’s competitor by Dolby for headphones, tries to add more height information to the soundstage with the additional speakers, but it cannot make assumptions about the listener and where they are located exactly nor about how their ears are structured (which is why companies would go and create audio profiles and then try to make configuration tools to allow you to find your closest match).

Headphones can make a great assumptions on how the sound will hit your ears, which should be obvious, and while the quality of the speakers might mean less pristine and loud sounds the sense of presence has a chance to be a lot higher. You can find binaural audio demos with shitty headphones that feel super immersive and there is many years of applied research on the topic and many companies are now jumping on that bandwagon (see Apple and their Spatial Audio tech).

Why did Sony go ahead with their solution and what is good about it? Possibly even just a Dolby patents unencumbered codec they could give away for free to PS5 devs would be a reason to go for it, easier adoption by devs and users: it requires no extra licensing for devs, not extra licensing costs for Sony, and only cheap headphones for users… on top of that they gave devs a very powerful audio chip that is fully programmable and can be used as an additional general purpose compute resource too if needed (and adapted to improvements in the audio codecs supported too).

 

[Tiamat2san]

Lmfao
When you get or if you get ps5 try demons and returnal. You will see the light

Try Dolby atmos games and see the sun.

 

[SLB1904]

Try Dolby atmos games and see the sun.

Some of you are gullible as hell

 

[jakinov]

Just because it's technical issues doesn't mean that there was a problem with the platform. The PS5 version can simply have technical issues because the devs made a mistake somewhere. Considering so many games are able to run/work fine so far it's likely the devs messed up somewhere.

 

[Dr Bass]

wut? talk about 3d audio not of speaker quality and frequency response. as a musician I immediately say that headphones are used to isolate oneself during recordings and not for what you think.
albums are masterized using very expensive flat speakers and not headphones. don't talk about things you don't know or you'll end up looking bad.

You say you’re a musician then say music gets “masterized” which is not a word.

Also the PS5 does real separated channels. Just because they aren’t paying Dolby a license fee doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. Positional audio in returnal and demons souls are awesome. Also the pulse 3D headphones aren’t anywhere near a good surround setup. Was a bit let down by those headphones.

 

[assurdum]

Stop with the hyperbole, Resident Evil 8 uses "3D Audio" and sounds no different your fanboy mentality is clouding your judgement my friend.

See people as you everytime blame the other about the fanboy mentality it's definitely something else. It needs courage.

 

[MonarchJT]

You say you’re a musician then say music gets “masterized” which is not a word.

Also the PS5 does real separated channels. Just because they aren’t paying Dolby a license fee doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. Positional audio in returnal and demons souls are awesome. Also the pulse 3D headphones aren’t anywhere near a good surround setup. Was a bit let down by those headphones.

i am (also) a musician... and I translating a term from my language now I'll try to translate it better.
audio "mastering" ..is done in recording studios on specials (and expansive) flat speakers ...not headphones which are used to increase isolation in recording or mastering and not to "hear better"
Tempest audio do really nothing that Xbox can't do aside from having a cool name

 

[Redlight]

Returnal Converted Me To 3D Audio

Returnal, a PlayStation 5 action game about dancing with death at an inescapable time-loop space rave, is a visual delight. It’s also an aural one. And at no time is that more apparent than when you play with a pair of 3D audio headphones.

n4g.com

That simply describes 3D audio. It, in no way, suggests that 'Tempest' is better than other 3D audio solutions.

Series X has three options, Windows Sonic, which is completely free, Dolby Atmos or DTS Headphone: X.
Those companies might know a thing or two about audio, don't you think?

 

[Chukhopops]

Do you think I surround system I'd better than headphones?

Lmfao
Someone should tell musicians to stop using headphones.

Lol you really talk about things you don’t understand.

Musicians do not care about positional audio since music is recorded and played in stereo. A physical surround system with speakers behind you will be better at creating spatial audio than headphones using virtual surround to produce a stereo sound.

But I feel like it’s pointless to argue that considering the level of your posts.

 

[Redlight]

… and that particular argument is wrong. ATMOS surround sound speakers solution, which is not Tempest 3D audio’s competitor by Dolby for headphones, tries to add more height information to the soundstage with the additional speakers, but it cannot make assumptions about the listener and where they are located exactly nor about how their ears are structured (which is why companies would go and create audio profiles and then try to make configuration tools to allow you to find your closest match).

Headphones can make a great assumptions on how the sound will hit your ears, which should be obvious, and while the quality of the speakers might mean less pristine and loud sounds the sense of presence has a chance to be a lot higher. You can find binaural audio demos with shitty headphones that feel super immersive and there is many years of applied research on the topic and many companies are now jumping on that bandwagon (see Apple and their Spatial Audio tech).

Why did Sony go ahead with their solution and what is good about it? Possibly even just a Dolby patents unencumbered codec they could give away for free to PS5 devs would be a reason to go for it, easier adoption by devs and users: it requires no extra licensing for devs, not extra licensing costs for Sony, and only cheap headphones for users… on top of that they gave devs a very powerful audio chip that is fully programmable and can be used as an additional general purpose compute resource too if needed (and adapted to improvements in the audio codecs supported too).

There is no magic in 3D audio, Tempest, Dolby, DTS X. No solution I've ever tried comes close to creating the open sound field that a good surround sound system will give you. 3D audio is a clever attempt to mimic surround but it's a poor substitute for a real system.

If you don't have access to a surround system then this maybe a good workaround, but that's all it is.

 

[Schmick]

Wow.... just wow . Gaf you never fail to bring the entertainment. All the OP wanted to talk about was "technical issues" present in the development of Sniper Ghost. Instead it's turned into a war about audio! I blame Negotiator101 for starting it but the rest of you should be blamed for perpetuating it.

Carry on.

 

[assurdum]

Just to understand what's exactly the point of this thread? We are trying to argue now is problematic to develop on ps5? What another technical issue should means? I'm curious.

 

[assurdum]

Wow.... just wow . Gaf you never fail to bring the entertainment. All the OP wanted to talk about was "technical issues" present in the development of Sniper Ghost. Instead it's turned into a war about audio! I blame Negotiator101 for starting it but the rest of you should be blamed for perpetuating it.

Carry on.

Mmm really? Because looking at the post history of the OP doubt he has any kinda of interest about technical issue on ps5 but call me malicious

 

[SJRB]

What other "technical issues" delays have there been?

 

[Redlight]

Wow.... just wow . Gaf you never fail to bring the entertainment. All the OP wanted to talk about was "technical issues" present in the development of Sniper Ghost. Instead it's turned into a war about audio! I blame Negotiator101 for starting it but the rest of you should be blamed for perpetuating it.

Carry on.

It's a fair point.

I'd only take issue with where you're placing the blame. SLB1904 has been making some extraordinarily stupid claims that have fired everyone up. Probably time to move on though.

 

[assurdum]

What other "technical issues" delays have there been?

That's an interesting question.

 

[NEbeast]

What is with all the xbox fans down playing 3d audio in a thread that has nothing to do with that? Anyone who is "concerned" about audio/games being delayed should look at what games have released for both consoles .