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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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bigsnack

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We are dying because of decades of fast food, coke/pepsi, snacks / chips/doritos...tacos, burritos..etc..

Covi just showed how mexicans are sick of obesity, diabetis, etc...

I believe that with COVID-19 being much more vascular in nature, this is the discussion that we should be having and nobody is. My guess is that the death toll would be significantly lower if we simply took better care of ourselves. This isn't a disease that "spares no-one". My guess is that this will never be discussed on the public stage, not even in the "What could we have done differently" discussions that will come once things have really quieted down.
 

prag16

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I believe that with COVID-19 being much more vascular in nature, this is the discussion that we should be having and nobody is. My guess is that the death toll would be significantly lower if we simply took better care of ourselves. This isn't a disease that "spares no-one". My guess is that this will never be discussed on the public stage, not even in the "What could we have done differently" discussions that will come once things have really quieted down.
Yeah we see experts talk about "oh we have to protect the vulnerable" and then go on to say that really only 11% of Americans are free from ANY risk factor or comorbidity. I think 89% of us being sick/vulnerable/compromised (or maybe it was 'only' 83%, I can't remember now but it was high) is a much scarier thought than a virus that still only kills 0.26% (CDC estimated IFR) of people it encounters.
 

cryptoadam

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I believe that with COVID-19 being much more vascular in nature, this is the discussion that we should be having and nobody is. My guess is that the death toll would be significantly lower if we simply took better care of ourselves. This isn't a disease that "spares no-one". My guess is that this will never be discussed on the public stage, not even in the "What could we have done differently" discussions that will come once things have really quieted down.

Well it really seems that it comes down to being a fatty, which is a big no-no to discuss.

Obesity=Diabetes=hypertension=cardio vascular diseases.

These are all pretty much the big underlying conditions. Probably a major reason why blacks are more effected in the US (since more black Americans have died than all of the African continent). Blacks have the highest rates of obesity and hypertension.

But ya the discussion of take your vitamins, lose weight, keep in shape will probably never come up.

I would really love to see what is more effective in preventing high deaths from CV, masks or lack of fatties. SK/HK/Singapore/China/Japan/Africa all don't have a lot of fatties and low deaths. Western Europe, USA, Mexico lots of fatties, lots of deaths.
 

bigsnack

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Well it really seems that it comes down to being a fatty, which is a big no-no to discuss.

Obesity=Diabetes=hypertension=cardio vascular diseases.

These are all pretty much the big underlying conditions. Probably a major reason why blacks are more effected in the US (since more black Americans have died than all of the African continent). Blacks have the highest rates of obesity and hypertension.

But ya the discussion of take your vitamins, lose weight, keep in shape will probably never come up.

I would really love to see what is more effective in preventing high deaths from CV, masks or lack of fatties. SK/HK/Singapore/China/Japan/Africa all don't have a lot of fatties and low deaths. Western Europe, USA, Mexico lots of fatties, lots of deaths.

BINGO! It seems like such a clear correlation to me. Since the PC squad will crucify you now if you even hint at obesity being a negative, it will never come up. I've even seen articles where they discussed a COVID death and mentioned that the patient had no underlying conditions. Underneath the article the man was depicted in a family photo, and he was easily 300+ pounds.
 

diffusionx

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It looks like Arizona and Florida may have passed their peak, without full shutdown. That'd be good.

Well it really seems that it comes down to being a fatty, which is a big no-no to discuss.

Obesity=Diabetes=hypertension=cardio vascular diseases.

These are all pretty much the big underlying conditions. Probably a major reason why blacks are more effected in the US (since more black Americans have died than all of the African continent). Blacks have the highest rates of obesity and hypertension.

But ya the discussion of take your vitamins, lose weight, keep in shape will probably never come up.

I would really love to see what is more effective in preventing high deaths from CV, masks or lack of fatties. SK/HK/Singapore/China/Japan/Africa all don't have a lot of fatties and low deaths. Western Europe, USA, Mexico lots of fatties, lots of deaths.

It's weird because I feel like the obesity thing WAS discussed early on. A few brave writers even hypothesized that this may have been a reason for the increased mortality rate among blacks, without getting their houses burned down. But over time this discussion just disappeared in favor of "oh here's another healthy 29 year old that died, just so happens he looks like he has a BMI of 35, it can happen to you!" article.
 
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Tygeezy

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Well it really seems that it comes down to being a fatty, which is a big no-no to discuss.

Obesity=Diabetes=hypertension=cardio vascular diseases.

These are all pretty much the big underlying conditions. Probably a major reason why blacks are more effected in the US (since more black Americans have died than all of the African continent). Blacks have the highest rates of obesity and hypertension.

But ya the discussion of take your vitamins, lose weight, keep in shape will probably never come up.

I would really love to see what is more effective in preventing high deaths from CV, masks or lack of fatties. SK/HK/Singapore/China/Japan/Africa all don't have a lot of fatties and low deaths. Western Europe, USA, Mexico lots of fatties, lots of deaths.
Obesity = type 2 diabetes, not type 1. Sorry for the correction but there are a lot of thin type 1 diabetics running around out there. I'm 5'11" 170 lbs, so not exactly a fatty fat guy here.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
I think for the first time, COVID lockdowns are getting to me.

I've been fine for the most part during these last few months. With my immune system, I can't be one of those people who just goes about whatever I wanna do and take risks, so I still go to stores and stuff, and do essential stuff, but in terms of hanging out with friends, going to restaurants, going to the movies, going on vacation... it's been nothing. I've been fine up until today where I realized I'm fucking bored of everything. Games, movies, TV, taking walks for exercise. I'm just like playing a game... meh not in the mood at all. TV? Nope? A movie? Nope. Podcasts? No.

I want to fucking go outside and fucking do something. Go out to a restaurant, go to a movie. Something.

Then all of a sudden I started to feel super claustrophobic and started having trouble breathing, then I kinda calmed down. I think I've been pushing this feeling away for weeks and weeks and it finally came out today because I had some down time where I had nothing but my thoughts, but for the longest time I kept busy so I didn't have to think about it.
 
Time to find ways to entertain yourself rather than be entertained. Learn a skill, cooking, foreign language, photoshop or writing.
Just pulled out my old LEGO collection, time to go to town. Also, I have been riding my bike around the hood way more lately to get some sun
 

Tygeezy

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Thats true.

I wonder if type 1 fit people survive better ?
I asked my diabetic specialist and she said I should be fine because my blood glucose is under good control and I’m young and healthy. Still not trying to test that theory out. My guess is indeed type 1 diabetics that are in good health have a much higher survival rate than type 2's in poor health.
 
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JORMBO

Darkness no more
PA cut indoor dining back from 50% to 25%. Bars, clubs, etc. still closed. Not a huge deal now since every place I've been to has set up tons of outdoor tables. I did eat indoors last night since there was a 30 minute wait to get an outdoor table. Indoors there was only one other table in use aside from my group.

I do miss going to the movies, but doubt I'd go now if they were open. It's much easier to find something to watch at home then deal with sitting in a theater now.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Interesting blog post from economist Tyler Cowen that starts off with a reader question trying to make sense of the exponential fall in cases that Sweden accomplished without a stringent lockdown or widespread masking:


Your recent question intrigued me. Do you have any new info/opinions on what’s happening in Sweden? Despite no mask wearing, continued indoor dining (at least judging from recent photos on instagram), their case AND death daily counts are plummeting (looks like an inverse exponential). This would also explain excess deaths returning to normal throughout US. Bizarrely, my cursory reading of Swedish newpapers online did not result in any recent articles discussing the dramatic decline in cases there!

One theory circulating is they achieved herd immunity on the math: 10x true seroprevalence (from CDC tests in US) * 2x true immunity (from Tcell things not measured by antibody tests that I don’t fully understand) * 0.75% reported case penetration * 2x for relatively low tests per capita rate = 30% true immunity (likely much higher in densest areas where spread would be much faster resulting in maybe >70% immunity in Stockholm). This puts them r0 < 1.

The nice thing about this hypothesis is that it’s easily falsifiable. If true immunity rates are 20x reported case load (dropping last 2x factor since test rate higher in US), then Florida should have just gotten to the 1.4% necessary to trigger similar immunity in dense cities and from now on, cases per day should follow an inverse exponential.
 

Guileless

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Economist ? I rather think he should stick to economy. The problem is people should listen to people of science.

Did you miss this part of Cowen's post?


If you go back to March, leading epidemiologist Michael Osterhalm argued: “We conservatively estimate that this could require 48 million hospitalizations, 96 million cases actually occurring, over 480,000 deaths that can occur over the next four to seven months with this situation.” Covid-19 has been terrible, and the performance of the executive branch (and many governors) absymal, but do those look like good predictions right now? (Hospitalizations for instance have yet to hit 250k.) If not, why not? How hard have you thought about this question? (Added note: one correspondent suggests that Osterhalm misspoke and in fact meant 4.8 million hospitalizations — note that still would be off by quite a large margin, almost a factor of twenty.)
 

Siri

Banned
Wow, this is weird... but I’m heading to work with the shakes again.

Our building is under full lockdown and we’ve been clear for an entire month and a half, but suddenly, for no reason at all, I’m having terrible anxiety again. I was doing pretty good there for a while. I even got back into gaming recently (lol) which, two months ago, I thought I’d never do again.

I’m probably not alone here, right? Are any of you guys having big personal ups and downs?
 

More 1,322 deaths today. We lost the battle. 100%. :messenger_pensive:

There's probably a lot more cases & deaths but we're testing an abysmal number of people unfortunately. São Paulo state has 44 million people but we only tested 1,1M.

We're doomed.
 
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lock2k

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More 1,322 deaths today. We lost the battle. 100%. :messenger_pensive:

There's probably a lot more cases & deaths but we're testing an abysmal number of people unfortunately. São Paulo state has 44 million people but we only tested 1,1M.

We're doomed.

It will only get down here after the vaccine. I don't really have any hope of things getting remotely functional before the vaccine.
 

Siri

Banned
I read that article. So if our bodies can’t produce immunities naturally, then how are scientists in a lab going to do it?

They’re not.

If herd immunity can’t be achieved because antibodies don’t last, then a vaccine isn’t going to last either. This is seriously grim news. If there was one thing we needed it was for immunity to occur after illness.

We’re also seeing now that even asymptomatic people are getting permanent lung damage, while mildly sick patients are getting permanent heart damage.
 

Stouffers

Banned
Wow, this is weird... but I’m heading to work with the shakes again.

Our building is under full lockdown and we’ve been clear for an entire month and a half, but suddenly, for no reason at all, I’m having terrible anxiety again. I was doing pretty good there for a while. I even got back into gaming recently (lol) which, two months ago, I thought I’d never do again.

I’m probably not alone here, right? Are any of you guys having big personal ups and downs?
I’m on Lexapro. I’d probably be a bag of farts without it.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
The same people of science who first said masks don't do anything but now say wear one of else you'll go to jail?
There were different groups who had different thoughts on the issue; eventually they came to a consensus.... after testing theories.

You know, science.
 
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Chaplain

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"In this episode, Dr. Osterholm and host Chris Dall discuss considerations for reopening schools in the Fall, the concept of superspreaders and their role in the transmission of COVID-19, and recent statements regarding vaccines and masks." (7/16/20)

 

IntentionalPun

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SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — People who have tested positive for COVID-19 in Arizona are being transferred to New Mexico hospitals because of staffing shortages and a lack of bed space, under a federal law that requires hospitals to accept patients from neighboring states if beds are available.

Democratic Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham said the transfer of out-of-state patients poses challenges as some New Mexico facilities are at or nearing capacity, the Albuquerque Journal reported.

We need to get this shit under control.
 
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Joe T.

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We need to get this shit under control.

I'd agree if the shit you were referring to was the media's panic porn.

 

Joe T.

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\ Did you read the article? It said STAFF AND BEDING is taken up.

It's a very short article and that's the problem, omission of relevant information. The department of health numbers in Rep. Andy Biggs' messages speak for themselves.

Lots of other places, both in the US and elsewhere around the world, had it worse than Arizona has it now and they didn't come crashing down. The state will be fine, don't get carried away with the tsunami of negative stories.
 

IntentionalPun

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It's a very short article and that's the problem, omission of relevant information. The department of health numbers in Rep. Andy Biggs' messages speak for themselves.

Lots of other places, both in the US and elsewhere around the world, had it worse than Arizona has it now and they didn't come crashing down. The state will be fine, don't get carried away with the tsunami of negative stories.
Just hospitals overflowing and people having to go to a nearby state for treatment..... but LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS THAT WENT DOWN!

Arizona increased testing in the face of a crisis, which causes some numbers to go down... that doesn't somehow make the problem better. It just means more people with less serious conditions are being diagnosed.. which is important so they can know to isolate, but isn't somehow indicative of the problem getting better.
 
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