The Cockatrice
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Nice video from DF. Metro Exodus to me is one of the most atmospheric games of all time. The lighting in this game with ray tracing is unmatched.
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Digital Foundry: Metro Exodus RTX Upgrades
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Nice video from DF. Metro Exodus to me is one of the most atmospheric games of all time. The lighting in this game with ray tracing is unmatched.
CyberPanda
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Very nice!
The Cockatrice
Member
Yeah, honestly I did not know that either, especially when firing guns. It just makes ray tracing even more amazing.
pawel86ck
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jonnyp
Member
All these videos do for me is show me how good rasterization is at faking lighting. Yes, of course RT looks better and more correct but the dfiference isn't worth 40+% performance impact.
RT as currently implemented just isn't impactful enough to me with only one bounce per ray, current number of rays and current impact on performance.
RT as currently implemented just isn't impactful enough to me with only one bounce per ray, current number of rays and current impact on performance.
sendit
Member
Disagree. This video just showed how horrible rasterization is at faking real lighting. This is a huge step forward in terms of rendering a realistic scene.
lukilladog
Member
Yeah, and that´s not even a display of the more advanced lighting techniques available for rasterization, it´s just stuff that has to be able to run on 1.4 tflop 750ti level of hardware. The perfect example of diminishing returns:
Satanic Panic
Member
This game is beautiful with RT on. I find myself spending more time just flipping the lanterns on and off than actually playing the game.
jonnyp
Member
Horrible? Huge step? Hurray for hyperbole everyone!
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Eiknarf
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Metro Exodus is on my short list of next games to play, but why am I reading so much about the “abysmal controls“?
Not one. Not a few. But dozens and dozens of user reviews over at Metacritic are explaining how they love the first two, but because of the horrible controls and shooting, they absolutely hate this newer third Metro title
What do you guys say?
Not one. Not a few. But dozens and dozens of user reviews over at Metacritic are explaining how they love the first two, but because of the horrible controls and shooting, they absolutely hate this newer third Metro title
What do you guys say?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
controls are pretty bad. nothing more to say. bad input lag. huge deadzone. cant aim. cant shoot for shit.
Eiknarf
Member
Wait
I’ve read those words a few times
“dead zone”
Sorry for the ignorance but what does that mean?
Eiknarf
Member
OK I looked up what “dead zone” means in video game terms
But I’m still confused
When I was playing ‘the last of us’ six months ago - halfway through the game, when moving the main protagonist (Joel) forward, he would erratically stop and go... it was frustrating
I assumed there was a glitch in the game and they had to update or patch it something.
But it turns out the dead zone was in my ps4 controller. Like, the “moving up or forward” was worn out.
The problem was fixed when I got another controller
So how could a game have a dead zone?
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The Cockatrice
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Metro Exodus is one of the best games I played when it comes to atmosphere BUT I do have to agree that the controls are sluggish/heavy and the movement as well. Maybe they wanted to have a more realistic approach, can't tell but yes the complaints could be valid. Won't stop you from enjoying this atmospheric masterpiece tho. It's not a twitch shooter, it's supposed to play like a survival and slow first person shooter.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
I played it on PC. No control issues.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
nearly every game has a deadzone. its when you press the analog stick in a direction and the game decides when to let you start moving. its a game design decision. most games including rdr2 let you turn it off completely.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
That's not even the worst problem.
It's the shitty story in that game and acting.
Srsly skip it
Eiknarf
Member
That's not even the worst problem.
It's the shitty story in that game and acting.
Srsly skip it
So I would enjoy Metro Redux over Metro Exodus, right?
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Yeah
The Cockatrice
Member
Don't bother listening to him. It's superior in every regards to the previous titles and the voice acting and the interactions between characters is very nice. You do need to play previous titles tho. The russian accent/bad english is on purpose.
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Shangounchained
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Ad of now raytracings implementation is bogus I totally don't see the big need of it at the moment traditional techniques work for me and they'll even be better next gen, all raytracings good for is racing games to add that reflection on cars and global illumination anything else is bogus
The Cockatrice
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Your comment is bogus.
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Deleted member 17706
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Sorry for the bump, but I just got a gaming laptop with an RTX 2060 in it and booted this up for a couple of hours (played to the train sequence). The ray tracing stuff is very atmospheric, but you really can't see shit in certain scenes when it's turned on and it makes the shooting a nightmare on top of the already funky controls. Not really feeling this overall...
Seriously. Haven't been frustrated with shooting controls this much since Killzone 2. I switched to mouse and keyboard, but even then it feels just kind of bad.
Seriously. Haven't been frustrated with shooting controls this much since Killzone 2. I switched to mouse and keyboard, but even then it feels just kind of bad.
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Sygma
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In short the two first Metros had NO recoil to manage at all, there were brain dead fucking trash console fps.
This one does, its much more akin to S.T.A.L.K.E.R overall thus much better. PC, can't speak for consoles
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VFXVeteran
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I hate how gaming lingo isn't based on the real physical terms. It's not "emissive" lighting per se as it is "area" lighting.
This is the first game that uses "area" lights. The only way to implement area lights, you have to sample the surface several times and retrieve several light rays before rendering the light loop. I can guarantee that they aren't also testing for shadows during the trace - which would give soft shadows. If they are, I would love to know how they get away with a non-noisy illumination unless they are doing the tracing at a much lower res and then using the tensor cores to clean up the undersampling. And I would love to see if their specular materials are also being used for the light rays (which would be "false" because the light rays bend according to how "shiny" a material is).
Might have to pick up this DLC and check it out.
This is the first game that uses "area" lights. The only way to implement area lights, you have to sample the surface several times and retrieve several light rays before rendering the light loop. I can guarantee that they aren't also testing for shadows during the trace - which would give soft shadows. If they are, I would love to know how they get away with a non-noisy illumination unless they are doing the tracing at a much lower res and then using the tensor cores to clean up the undersampling. And I would love to see if their specular materials are also being used for the light rays (which would be "false" because the light rays bend according to how "shiny" a material is).
Might have to pick up this DLC and check it out.
longdi
Banned
Blame that on shitty pc/laptop monitors, the one segment where tech advances have stood still.
You probably need a good hdr monitor to see shit here.
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Deleted member 17706
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Doubt many PC players are playing with HDR-enabled displays, so it would have been better if they didn't darken the shadowed areas so much. It was basically impossible to see anything in that early train hijacking sequence. The great ray-traced environment light also really make the enemy flashlights and their lack of actually lighting anything up really stand out.
Elektro Demon
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I always enjoy DF videos. Thanks OP.
Eiknarf
Member
Ahhhh so it’s good?
The “shooting control issue” is a recoil response based in how a real gun would respond? Are you saying it’s an upgradeable feature that gets better as you advance?
Sygma
Member
Yeah you can modify guns quite a bit in it
Just skip people who don't really play fps for the core gameplay / are bad at it
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Eiknarf
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Deleted member 17706
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Been playing the Two Colonels DLC for a little bit and, man, the RTX-enabled lighting is incredible. I wish they would go back and RTX re-master the base game to include the indoor segments.