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Got a legal notice of an illegal download

So, in August last year I was in the US for a couple of months, all went fine and I lived my stay. Fast forward to tonight and My airBnB just sent me a message stating that they got a legal notice mentioning an illegal download of a movie, on the night before I left.

This seems highly unlikely since I don't remember downloding and when I watch movies I stream, I havent downloded a movie in years.

So my question is, im in Europe, where I live, has anyone received something like this ? Is there any sort of fine ? How could i defend myself, being on the other side of the world ?
 

LordPezix

Member
Well I believe a notice isn't cause for legal action. I've seen those letters and it is just a cease and desist request from the internet service provider.

I wouldn't worry too much. If anything happens they will have to prove you downloaded it, find the copyrighted material on you, and then move to prosecution. I have a hard time believing they would chase anyone across international waters over a singular movie download.

If I were you I would just disregard it now.
 
Well I believe a notice isn't cause for legal action. I've seen those letters and it is just a cease and desist request from the internet service provider.

I wouldn't worry too much. If anything happens they will have to prove you downloaded it, find the copyrighted material on you, and then move to prosecution. I have a hard time believing they would chase anyone across international waters over a singular movie download.

If I were you I would just disregard it now.

Lets hope so, I just got confused by the airbnb message about this, I remember watching movies while I was there, but on my netflix, I didnt visit any torrent website or anything like that, so it seems like a stretch.
 

JORMBO

Darkness no more
I got a notice saying I downloaded something I didn't. My roommate said he didn't either (yeah...). My notice came from a lawyer who opened something up via a court. He would call me and leave multiple voicemails a week saying he was going to "take me to court soon" if I did not give him $3k in settlement money. This went on for almost two years. I kept ignoring his calls and eventually he closed the case. There were 30 other people lopped on this "bit torrent sharing" case and half of them paid up, so I guess he moved on.

Anyways, I've done a lot of reading on this type of stuff. What type of notice did they get? Sometimes you'll get a warning. Sometimes it'll be a company just trying to get a small fine of $100. In my case it was a notice from my ISP saying my personal information was being subpoenad.

If it's from a porn company they are most likely looking for easy targets to extort money out of and they dont want to actually take anyone to court.
 
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OH-MyCar

Member
I'm no expert but I don't think that's your responsibility as an AirBNB guest. That's an entire mess of legal issues to sort through and opportunities for scamming.

If they are trying to scam you, one thing that a lot of people don't know is that AirBNB isn't exactly legal in every area in the United States. It obviously happens everywhere and it doesn't stop anyone, but that could be a starting point if they try to pursue legal action on you; look to see if they're even operating legally in the first place. A lot of places here in Miami do the "oh this guy is a cousin staying in my flat" routine because it's not AirBNB's responsibility if they get caught going against city ordinances.
 

Corrik

Member
I got a notice saying I downloaded something I didn't. My roommate said he didn't either (yeah...). My notice came from a lawyer who opened something up via a court. He would call me and leave multiple voicemails a week saying he was going to "take me to court soon" if I did not give him $3k in settlement money. This went on for almost two years. I kept ignoring his calls and eventually he closed the case. There were 30 other people lopped on this "bit torrent sharing" case and half of them paid up, so I guess he moved on.

Anyways, I've done a lot of reading on this type of stuff. What type of notice did they get? Sometimes you'll get a warning. Sometimes it'll be a company just trying to get a small fine of $100. In my case it was a notice from my ISP saying my personal information was being subpoenad.

If it's from a porn company they are most likely looking for easy targets to extort money out of and they dont want to actually take anyone to court.
That was a scam that was happening a lot like 7 years ago. They knew they couldn't win the cases, but did have proof of your downloading. So, they would send you letters trying to trick you into settling for a small sum. Usually 3k as you said. A lot of people would agree to pay because they knew they were guilty. The companies, however, knew they wouldn't win, and even if they did, they would spend more fighting it than it would net them. Thus, they would drop them if it actually was not agreed upon by the customer to settle. I think someone even filed a suit calling the scam out in the past. I can't remember.

The only case I ever remember going to court over this was a poor woman got tried over this for downloading cartoons for her kids illegally. The backlash the company got was so incredibly immense that they basically found it as a total negative. The lady couldn't pay the sums anyways that were ordered, and the company got bad press for going after a poor family just trying to let their kids watch cartoon movies.

They have said the best response to these is to not acknowledge them at all. Acknowledging them shows you are aware of them. Responding to them is also showing you are aware no matter what your response is, making a subsequent one as knowingly doing a wrong practice. And, of course, responding that you did is an admittal of guilt. If you see a copyright notice, do not open the emails, read them, respond to them, or take any action in regards to them.
 
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BadHand

Member
So, in August last year I was in the US for a couple of months, all went fine and I lived my stay. Fast forward to tonight and My airBnB just sent me a message stating that they got a legal notice mentioning an illegal download of a movie, on the night before I left.

This seems highly unlikely since I don't remember downloding and when I watch movies I stream, I havent downloded a movie in years.

So my question is, im in Europe, where I live, has anyone received something like this ? Is there any sort of fine ? How could i defend myself, being on the other side of the world ?

They got the notice, not you. Deny you had anything to do with it and move on.
 
They got the notice, not you. Deny you had anything to do with it and move on.

I became really good frienda with my host so I wouldnt want to have him responsible for something like this or pay a fine.

Even if you were in the USA still it wouldn't matter. Those things are meaningless.

Lets hope so, They asked him for the names of everyone who stayed in his house around that time though.
 

Orpheum

Member
Nah no need to worry OP.

My friends and i received something similar but within Europe we did not do anything illegal as well. We disregarded it completely and nothing ever happened.
 

Fbh

Member
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I wouldn't worry to much. Just tell the person you didn't download anything which is the truth .

Also did he show you any documents? Maybe he is being scammed. My dad once got a legit looking email with a fine for downloading something, which he had done...but the thing turned out to be fake
 
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did you get a copy of the notice?

He will take a picture and send it to me, but seems to be a subpoena asking for further information.


They claim there was a download of the movie The Hitmans Bodyguard, which I have seen, but am sure I havent downloaded it.

Im gonna wait it out and see what happens...
 

BadHand

Member
I became really good frienda with my host so I wouldnt want to have him responsible for something like this or pay a fine.

Lets hope so, They asked him for the names of everyone who stayed in his house around that time though.

They will never be able to determine which of his guests was the one responsible. It may have even been the Owner himself and he is using the guests as a scapegoat.

Even if you get wrapped up in it, would you really prepared to travel back to the USA to defend yourself from a huge lawsuit pay and attorney an obscene amount of money to defend you? All when you weren’t responsible for pirating the movie in the first place? Friendship only goes so far.
 
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Deleted member 325805

Unconfirmed Member
There's no enough prisons in the world to house everyone who pirates TV shows and movies, you'll be fine.
 
They will never be able to determine which of his guests was the one responsible. It may have even been the Owner himself and he is using the guests as a scapegoat.

Even if you get wrapped up in it, would you really prepared to travel back to the USA to defend yourself from a huge lawsuit pay and attorney an obscene amount of money to defend you? All when you weren’t responsible for pirating the movie in the first place? Friendship only goes so far.

Absolutely not, however, I dont want to have my entry blocked in the future because of an "on-going" investigation or something like that.
 

Pilgor

Member
Some copyright trolls send DMCA notices, some actually file lawsuits against John Does and send subpoenas to the ISP for subscriber information so they can amend the complaint with the subscriber's name. In any case, you have nothing to worry about, the copyright troll will only go after the ISP subscriber.

Source: I have successfully defended a copyright troll case in Federal Court.
 

Mikey Jr.

Member
Dude, you'll be fine, chill, lol.

Its probably just a warning saying "don't download dat movie again!!11", then thats it.

Secondly, you are across the world. Don't admit to anything. Just be like "wtf you talkin about? I didn't download shit"

I got an email from my ISP a few years ago when I downloaded a porn movie. My ISP didn't give them anything, but the email that the porn company sent said they wanted me to log into some special website, put in a username and password, and pay them some fine.

Obviuously if I logged in, then they would know that they got the right person.
 

WaterAstro

Member
It could be a phishing scam. Don't click anything in that email.

I get a lot of "ISP: This is a warning of you downloading illegal random movie" when I haven't even heard of the movie.
 
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