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[StreetsofBeige]

Those who intentionally abuse their organs, knowing full well they are causing harm to them, should not be above anyone who hasn't on the list. But money talks, bullshit walks more often than not.

100% agree. This goes for general healthcare too.

Problem is when there's someone who needs critical help, how is anyone at that time going to weed out abusers and innocent victims and make a call to turn away an abuser?

 

[DeepEnigma]

100% agree. This goes for general healthcare too.

Problem is when there's someone who needs critical help, how is anyone at that time going to weed out abusers and innocent victims and make a call to turn away an abuser?

Yeah, that is where the dilemma is and makes the situation morally and ethically complex. Taking into account the Hippocratic oath as well.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Mandatory organ donation is such a step beyond the pale that I frankly think we might as well be talking about whether Emperor Palpatine was such an asshole because he saw the Yuuzahn Vong war in a vision.

I say this as an organ donor, and have full on DNR papers. Offer a $100 refundable tax credit per year for being an organ donor if you want to flood the system with with donors, but Jesus Christ don't strong-arm people, or even worse mandate interference with their end-of-life plans.

What the fuck are we doing people?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Mandatory organ donation is such a step beyond the pale that I frankly think we might as well be talking about whether Emperor Palpatine was such an asshole because he saw the Yuuzahn Vong war in a vision.

I say this as an organ donor, and have full on DNR papers. Offer a $100 refundable tax credit per year for being an organ donor if you want to flood the system with with donors, but Jesus Christ don't strong-arm people, or even worse mandate interference with their end-of-life plans.

What the fuck are we doing people?

Its an extension of a grab bag.

But instead of money or taxes, it's grabbing people's bodies.

Government cant really go after your house or bank accounts or stocks because that's behind walls of bankers and lawyers and confidentiality. It will be dispersed as per your will and pay debts and lawyer fees, but the gov will have trouble butting in and saying I'm taking 80% thanks!

But with a dead body, the immediate care is government (hospitals, medical workers, emergency room etc..). You are right there ripe to be carved like a turkey.

 

[TheGrat1]

No, it's your choice to donate, nobody is forcing you to. If you only donate because you want to be first you're doing it for the wrong reason.

People already pay a lot for healthcare, that should be enough. Especially now that it has been privatised since 15 years ago?

15 years ago? In What country?

U see this with university's for example in Netherlands. u barely find a dutch person in it. Why? they get 6k funding each year for foreign students. there is straight up zero fucking reason to take anything but the absolute bare minimum legally required to still give the idea that u are in the Netherlands lul. When i attended, the main complain from foreign student was, that they straight up saw no dutch people and lessons where all given in english rofl.

Simultaneously hilarious and sad, while being entirely predictable. When you subsidize something you get more of it, every time.
Do Dutch students have trouble getting into Universities even with qualifying marks? Do they find themselves going abroad for college more than other countries?

 

[Paasei]

15 years ago? In What country?

Simultaneously hilarious and sad, while being entirely predictable. When you subsidize something you get more of it, every time.
Do Dutch students have trouble getting into Universities even with qualifying marks? Do they find themselves going abroad for college more than other countries?

Funnily enough, The Netherlands. Just like the other quote you have there.

Healthcare in the Netherlands - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I dont know what the priority list is countries do, but after reading some comments above, I agree kids should be priority all other things being equal and the organ is suitable for a kid.

They are young and havent had a chance in life yet. While some 50 year old needing a kidney has already had a chance at life. Also, the younger you are, the more innocent the need. You arent going to get 8 year olds being drug abusers or a drunk killing their liver. So prioritizing kids helps alleviate some of the angst giving a long time self abuser an organ when someone who didn't do anything sketchy leading up to it gets burned on a waiting list.

 

[Ballthyrm]

This debate sounds to me like the death panels arguments you guys have over socialised healthcare.
I live in an European country and they don't happen. Neither would Evil doctors cutting you into pieces for profit. We aren't China.

I think priority should go to the one with the most live left in them. So kids or young people in general.
It shouldn't go to people who will waste them by their own life choice, so if you are an alcoholic or a heavy smoker, you've made your bed now sleep in it.

I think it is a good thing that my country has a default opt-in position, if that's a problem for you to give your organs no problem, just opt out.
You shouldn't get discriminated against for your beliefs.
With a default opt-in, I think it is just one less thing to think about for the family during hard times and the death of a loved one.
You do a good thing by default and possibly save multiples lives. Not a lot of people have the strength of will to go trhough with it even when they want to

In better news, with the upcoming technology, I look foward to a world where we don't need to have this conversation.
Great progress is being made toward artificial organs and there is a good chance they'll work during my lifetime.

 

[DKehoe]

Nah it should just be about how urgently you need it.

People should be encouraged to be organ donors but there shouldn't be a punishment for not doing it.

 

[Flash Junkins]

What the fuck is it with everybody under 35 wanting to exclude people or exalt privileges? Christ.

 

[Melon Husk]

That would violate the Hippocratic oath I would think.