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So, Avatar was a forgettable movie after all?

SpartanN92

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Most people attribute it to a fanfiction that’s a crossover between Warhammer 40k and Avatar.

This attribution is wrong, however, as it actually comes from randos on TVTropes shooting the shit about Avatar.

Damn. I was hoping that was actually a deleted scene or something. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed Avatar but that quote is better than anything actually said in the movie.
 

Droxcy

Member
Nothing about the movie appealed to me when it released, As for now it still doesn’t.

Just not my cup of tea i guess
 

Nymphae

Banned
I didn't get it then and I don't get it now. 3D doesn't impress me all that much and the story and visual design didn't really appeal to me.
 
Funny how these "Avatar is forgettable" threads always have multiple pages.

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One of the most competent bad guys ever.
 

Fbh

Member
I mean it's one of those visual spectacle movies.
What is there to remember other than it looking and sounding (RIP James Horner) great?

I liked it. It was nothing mindblowing and the plot is about as basic as it gets, but I still found it more enjoyable than your average Marvel Movie.
 
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zeorhymer

Member
All I remember was the tree hugger and the vines that grew around you when you had the 3D glasses on. So yeah, it was a shallow and forgettable movie.
 

Patrick S.

Banned
1. The Critical Drinker is the best thing on YouTube. Especially when he's on EFAP.

2. Avatar is an awesome movie. I'll rewatch Avatar ten times before I watch any Star Wars prequel or sequel, and I'm a Star Wars fanboy. It was also the movie I went out and bought a Blue Ray player for (was an Xbox and PC guy, so I didn't have one).
 

StormCell

Member
There's been a saturation of products in the entertainment industry over the past couple of decades which makes landmark "cultural defining moments" over this time pretty much nonexistent. It's all fast food cinema (even the wannabe "highbrow" stuff) where a movie makes headlines, gets Oscars, box office moneys & then kaboom, it's forgotten. You won't see another Apocalypse Now, another Psycho, another Taxi Driver. Too many movies/series, too many audience types with different interests/tastes & yes, a form of benign blasé attitude has set in where movies are really no longer that special anymore. It's like the moon landings, i.e. first time was "wow", the rest? (except Apollo 13 for different reasons) "it's cool, but boring now".

We see some movies desperate to jump out & make a cultural long-lasting impact & it's just not happening anymore (even war films like Dunkirk have been totally forgotten). Avatar is the same. Joker is on the same route, Black Panther is on the "who gives a fuck" list (Marvel's Expanded onslaught of a million movies/spinoff series keeps them relevant for longer) & the list goes on & on.

I read this one small anecdote about Kate Winslet who was hiking in the Himalayas, i.e. a really old guy approached her & said "Titanic!". Imagine someone approaching Sam Worthington in some random backend of the world & saying "Avatar!"? Nope. Ditto every other movie over this decade, tbh. It doesn't mean they're all shit movies, it's just the world we live in.

Interstellar says hi.

But I mostly agree with you.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The wrong 3D movie was a hit. If only Dredd had managed to make 3D a thing instead of Avatar.
 

lachesis

Member
Although I am a Cameron fan - especially his craftmanship - but I am not much of fan of Avatar. While beautiful, but I just didn't enjoy it much - perhaps because I watched on my 3D TV, not in a movie theater - but mostly because the story felt quite cliche'd - same sort of story you see, only difference is that you are on a different planet.

I remember watching Gravity in the movie theater and I was literally blown away - yet when the bluray version came out and eagerly rented the movie via DVD.com - I was terribly disappointed watching on my smaller 55 inch TV... nor the story itself wasn't strong enough for me to gawk over either.... I think Avatar may be the same case here.
 

MaestroMike

Gold Member
T2 killed T1 and thus, Avatar 2 is gonna be a masterpiece I predict it'll break all box office records and make at least $3 billion dollars worldwide even with this coronavirus handicap
 

sol_bad

Member
T2 killed T1 and thus, Avatar 2 is gonna be a masterpiece I predict it'll break all box office records and make at least $3 billion dollars worldwide even with this coronavirus handicap

That's pretty much the only time this thread should be made. If Avatar 2 fails immensely at the box office than you can say the movie is forgettable. But if the movie crosses the 2 billion threshold these threads will look silly.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Completely forgettable movie that I have never even though about watching again. Also the longest wait in history for a sequel ever.
 

mango drank

Member
I think Cameron was trying to capture lighting in a bottle on the order of the release of the original Jurassic Park, trying to get back at Spielberg for leapfrogging T2. Except ... he did it way too late. Problems:
  • Jurassic Park appealed to most people who saw it, and people of all ages in general. Avatar, on the other hand, was mind-blowing and deep only if you were a 9 year old who somehow had never seen a visual epic of any kind before.
  • Avatar was massively over-hyped, and the hype felt very astroturfed. Contrast that with JP: the technological leap, audience wow factor, and cultural impact were insane, and the hype at the time felt very much organic and real. Avatar's hype on the other hand was similar to the dumb shit Segway tried to pull before it launched: trying to promise some kind of technological singularity that would split history into "before (the thing)" and "after (the thing)." Nothing could live up to that, and definitely not Avatar (or the Segway). The dumb promises being made by fanboys around that time were ridiculous, it's like they thought they were in a doomsday cult and would rise to heaven upon seeing the movie.
  • Avatar might've had a much better reaction and place in cultural history had it been released a decade earlier, in 1999. It would be considered a classic today, seen through rose-tinted glasses, like all of the epics of the 90s. But in 2009? The technological leaps it wanted to make didn't seem all that big for viewers at the time, and the promise of 3D making movies great again didn't pan out.
 

oagboghi2

Member
I remember Avatar because it killed Princess and the Frog in theatres, and smothered my dreams of a renewed Disney 2D animation renaissance while it was still in it's crib.

Fuck you Avatar
 

Karma Jawa

Member
I thought it was pretty shit. The 3D gimmick was its only USP and I suspect his numerous sequels will flop.

The only thing I remember about it is ‘unobtainium’ because it was incredibly stupid. It’s certainly not the classic Cameron presumably thinks it is. He’s never been a storyteller, he’s all about blockbuster action and set-pieces (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Avatar isn’t particularly memorable but I think I’ve seen this thread 10 times on 5 different sites in the last 2 years lol

Bit of a flawed concept to compare media from decades ago to anything in the 2000s; we have exponentially more entertainment available to us and any single one off movie isn’t going to have as easy of a time standing on its own as far as cultural impact goes.

It’s partly why we have mostly sequels or “universes” these days with TV series to go along with it. To get those merch tie ins you need to have a big presence against a massive landscape of competition.
 

Makariel

Member
One thing I do remember is that it's been described as blue Pocahontas in space at the time, and I've not seen a better description of it since. I still can't get over the fact they called the macguffin "unobtanium".

The 3D is... fine, I guess. I don't think it made the movie any better or worse. It just made the fetish softporn sections a bit more bizarre and gave a dim glimpse into the grimdark VR-porn future of 2020.
 

Kev Kev

Member
it was a good film, the 3D was done well and im looking forward to spending more time in that world with the sequels

its not a movie i think or talk about a whole lot, if ever tbqh, but it wasn't forgettable to me at all. it was a fun, unique experience that i enjoyed and i can still remember a lot of those "whoa thats cool" 3D moments. plus the story, action, graphics and acting were really good

as with anything, the more popular something is, the louder the haters become. its cool if you didnt like it and forgot about it. but the numbers dont lie. the movie was a massive hit because the whole package was really well done
 

kraspkibble

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i guess. all i remember is some guy in a wheel chair and creepy blue people.

only really went to see it because of the whole 3d gimmick and how good the visuals were.
 

Darko

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Although I am a Cameron fan - especially his craftmanship - but I am not much of fan of Avatar. While beautiful, but I just didn't enjoy it much - perhaps because I watched on my 3D TV, not in a movie theater - but mostly because the story felt quite cliche'd - same sort of story you see, only difference is that you are on a different planet.

I remember watching Gravity in the movie theater and I was literally blown away - yet when the bluray version came out and eagerly rented the movie via DVD.com - I was terribly disappointed watching on my smaller 55 inch TV... nor the story itself wasn't strong enough for me to gawk over either.... I think Avatar may be the same case here.
Watch it in VR.

edit: gravity I mean.. not the pocahautas with wolves rip off
 
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Wow, was that a deleted scene or just some fan made speech? Would have been awesome if he said that!

As for Avatars lasting legacy, quite frankly the movie is just too damned long for casual rewatching.

And has ANY movie in the past 10 years had much of an impact? They are almost all "watch once and move on" IMHO.
It's Warhammer fanfiction or something.
 

Madevil

Member
I've read some of this thread though not all, so take this as you will.
And though it's visually impressive, has many great actors (yep it's very subjective), compared to much of James Cameron's stuff it just seems kind of... meh?

Like without going into a ridiculous essay, there aren't really any memorable characters for me let alone quotes.

Again just a quick opinion, and would be awesome to discuss heaps here.
 

AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
It's literally only as popular as it is because the 3D at the time was mind blowing to a lot of people. 3D wasn't new but it was sure as shit new to an entire generation of cinema goers. You'd see it, tell your friends about how good the 3D was, they'd go check it out for themselves and maybe you'd see it again.

The movie was never that good. It's Pocahontas, or Fern Gully, or Dances With Wolves.
 

lachesis

Member
Watch it in VR.

edit: gravity I mean.. not the pocahautas with wolves rip off

I only have a PS VR - and never really thought of using to watch a movie. :D Will take a look into it. Perhaps it can replicate the theater experience better - just wish my VR unit had higher resolution.
 
If it was forgetable why mention or why watch a video of someone mentioning after all these years? Nice try. It was a good movie and haters can suck my blue balls.
 

4EZCOOLDART

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It was always a technical achievement. Even at time I don't think anyone was impressed by the story or action. It was just a standard sci-fi action movie that had the 3D novelty that was so big that it became a must-see just to fit in.

Has anyone ever watched it on a normal TV? Why?
 

Werewolf Jones

Gold Member
Wasn't the movie first draft as fuck that Cameron just ran with that he made prior to filming Aliens? As a story it was garbage. I wanted to be blown the FUCK away and I had never been burnt by hype that bad. Hopefully Avatar 2 and 3 can be more interesting at least being hopeful.
 
It was always a technical achievement. Even at time I don't think anyone was impressed by the story or action. It was just a standard sci-fi action movie that had the 3D novelty that was so big that it became a must-see just to fit in.

Has anyone ever watched it on a normal TV? Why?

It's actually a gigantic home release and it literally made Blu-Ray popular. It's the number 2 best-selling Blu-Ray of all time, very close behind Frozen.
The 2D version instantly became the fastest selling home release of all time - 20 million copies in a week. TDK had the previous record of 16 million in 3 weeks. More Blu-Ray copies were sold in 4 days than TDK managed in 18 months. 50% of the initial sales was the Blu-Ray, which was unheard of, and it doubled Blu-Ray player sales in the spring of 2010. It was a barebones release, no extras or additional footage included, not even trailers - just the movie and a menu.

The 3D version was exclusive to Panasonic until late 2012, so no big sales there for a while.
By now, the combined home releases easily earned over a billion dollars.

If I'm not mistaken, it's also the first big home release after 4 months since the theatrical release. Avatar was still making a lot of money when its screens were taken over by Alice in Wonderlands. The Alice contracts were in place before Avatar launched, when many expected it to be a flop.
 
Not for me.

I have the Avatar Special Edition Blu-ray and have watched it at least once a year. Very entertaining, each time, even though it's not as great as in the original script.

Due to their family theme I am cautiously optimistic about the sequels. James Cameron also seems to have gone "woke". I hope I'm wrong assuming so.
 
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