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struggler_guts
Member
Got tired of wow a long time ago, dragonflight flying was fun to jump back into for like a month though. Guild wars 2 I played at launch and remember getting level locked a lot. Might go back to ff14 to finally play endwalker cause my friends say its legit.
But I'm really just waiting to get into alpha 2 of Ashes of Creation
But I'm really just waiting to get into alpha 2 of Ashes of Creation
March Climber
Member
Currently playing Wayfinder.
Every now and then I'll put ESO back into the rotation when a big patch or DLC comes out.
Every now and then I'll put ESO back into the rotation when a big patch or DLC comes out.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
None. Can't be bothered to play any MMOs right now with lots of good games out there and no MMO on the market respects your time and is less about world building and about the community but more a single player RPG experience with MMO lite elements.
A lot of MMOs feel like nothing happens while you are gone. Kills immersion IMO. Plus most just want to sell you on cosmetics on a cash shop when that stuff can be unlockable in the game itself.
I think if I go back to any MMO it might be ESO.
XIV doesn't count since each expansion can be completed in like a week.
I was interested in Blue Protocol until Censorship and Amazon killed it before it even released.
A lot of MMOs feel like nothing happens while you are gone. Kills immersion IMO. Plus most just want to sell you on cosmetics on a cash shop when that stuff can be unlockable in the game itself.
I think if I go back to any MMO it might be ESO.
XIV doesn't count since each expansion can be completed in like a week.
I was interested in Blue Protocol until Censorship and Amazon killed it before it even released.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Fortnite.
killatopak
Member
Ragnarok Online. I actually run my own server for my friends.
March Climber
Member
Honestly, lately, people have been preferring the new wave of single player RPG with MMO elements/soloable MMOs because they respect your time more. The ones you're wanting with the large amount of world building and community are the exact ones that don't respect your time. Since the MMO community is mostly full of older players, it was a much needed shift so that the genre wouldn't be six feet under.
The biggest issue right now is that newer MMOs need to write better stories to match this shift in how people want to play. Simply writing something nebulous with a ton of gibberish and having the player go out to grind isn't enough anymore. Same thing with static dialogue boxes instead of using cutscenes. The only reason I am forgiving of it in Wayfinder is because that game's gameplay loop feels like I'm playing a Dot Hack game. However, the community at large has not been happy with the early access period of that game.
Spyxos
Gold Member
I used to play a lot Ro (Euro Chaos) unfortunately the server no longer exists. How is it so on private servers? Is it fun with just a few players?
From Guild Wars 2 I only have the base game, I was thinking about buying one of the addons and have a look. I think I had a lvl 50 mage. I just didn't like the way the Mage played.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Gameplay loop needs to be enjoyable. And if a story driven MMO has a shit story or the story becomes shit then it falls flat on it's face.
So if you get bored essentially the game is pretty much dead to me. The other turn off is if the game becomes a job and your sole purpose is to do daily activities and then log off.
Out of all MMOs I've played the one that respects your time the most is GW2. You can pick it up or drop it whenever you want.
ESO is arguably a close second.
A lot of MMOs fail to hold interest because New Players never reach endgame. And Vets are at the endgame but there is essentially no endgame or there is no challenge.
I think the biggest caveat I have is gear progression pretty much being a dead end where it never actually matters because new design philosophy is to make everything balanced so there is no advantage/disadvantage.
Generally the first month or two is a fun romp but then you suffer from burnout or boredom. Burnout you can recover from. Boredom not so much.
Edit: I tried Wayfinder. I like it but if I retry it it'll be when it leaves Early Access and I can select whatever Wayfinder that I either like the most or has the most powercreep with my free token.
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Meicyn
Gold Member
None. Last one I really played was FFXIV, but I’m completely tired of it. The combat design has always been a boring choreographed yawnfest with zero space to allow for player expression, but now there isn’t much of a story hook anymore either. The developers create all these massive zones and they’re all squandered with nothing genuinely interesting in any of them beyond the initial story beats that take you there. Nothing interesting can ever happen. No variance, no risk, nothing. Eorzea is a boring, stale, safe virtual world.
I play Division 2 for my multiplayer fix. All content in the game remains relevant due to how its designed, and the player is given the freedom to try all sorts of builds to play how they want to. The gameplay loop is inherently superior and it’s not even close.
I play Division 2 for my multiplayer fix. All content in the game remains relevant due to how its designed, and the player is given the freedom to try all sorts of builds to play how they want to. The gameplay loop is inherently superior and it’s not even close.
LordBlodgett
Member
I play ESO every few years and complete new campaigns/add-ons. I also have this weird thing where I go back to Ultima Online every few years, play for a few weeks, remember why I quit, and then quit again. 
Can't really get into any other MMO's, most are just too grindy and I don't have a group of friends who plays anymore so I don't feel like I'm missing out on things.
Can't really get into any other MMO's, most are just too grindy and I don't have a group of friends who plays anymore so I don't feel like I'm missing out on things.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
TO BELIEVE IN EORZEA IS TO BELIEVE IN NOTHING
I really hope 7.0 does something to spark interest but I think the game has enough concurrent players the devs don't have to try anymore. I really like the game but the growing issues are apparent.
Heavensward was peak FFXIV. Right now it's in Maintenance mode or what I call the WoW: Warlords of Draenor era chasing that WoW money.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Wish I could get back that feeling. I was day one and had so many fun times. But F all those bridge bandits ganking my shit as I left town!
Thick Thighs Save Lives
Gold Member
I have a good friend who is a really into GW2 if it counts.
TwiztidElf
Member
What's the story here? I've been looking forward to BP, but haven't been closely following it pre-launch.
Edit: Nevermind, watching videos about it now.
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Global version will be modernized, they removed a body type(the child one) along with a face option that 80% of players used and said they wanted to honor the game's original vision but were also modernizing the game for western audiences. So it gets a hard no from me.
I think there is more to it but after that I said NOPE.
Edit: Oh yeah. They cited the changes as making things more "family friendly" but they kept the gambling portion of the game intact.
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TexMex
Member
That's the best part! There is basically zero risk in any MMO anymore.
Shadow of its former self of course. Nothing will replace 97-00 or so. UO home ownership was more satisfying than real home ownership.
killatopak
Member
It’s quite alright. It’s mostly for nostalgia. Mostly it’s just for ambience and chill experience levelling up and farming goods. We usually do MVP raid parties. I try to increase the episode as we get better gear so it feels like we progress. Of course we’ll soon hit a cap because me and friends generally prefer pre-renewal so we try to take it slow.
Drizzlehell
Banned
The only two that I usually play when the mood strikes is Elder Scrolls Online and The Old Republic.
I'm actually digging them quite a lot due to high production values. The story content is pretty much on the level of a regular single player RPG, and the sheer amount of it is just staggering. I actually calculated a rough estimation of how long it would take you to complete each individual class story (counting only the main story missions) in The Old Republic and I ended up with roughly 250 hours of gameplay. That's insane, considering that you can play all of that completely for free. Although I would still recommend buying a subscription if you're gonna play it. It just makes the game more convenient and boosts XP making it less grindy.
It's a similar story with ESO. It's actually pretty funny that it feels like the most polished and bug-free Elder Scrolls Game, lol. And the story content is also comparable, if not better, than the single player Elder Scrolls games. It's an awesome game and I like to revisit it every couple of months or so.
I'm actually digging them quite a lot due to high production values. The story content is pretty much on the level of a regular single player RPG, and the sheer amount of it is just staggering. I actually calculated a rough estimation of how long it would take you to complete each individual class story (counting only the main story missions) in The Old Republic and I ended up with roughly 250 hours of gameplay. That's insane, considering that you can play all of that completely for free. Although I would still recommend buying a subscription if you're gonna play it. It just makes the game more convenient and boosts XP making it less grindy.
It's a similar story with ESO. It's actually pretty funny that it feels like the most polished and bug-free Elder Scrolls Game, lol. And the story content is also comparable, if not better, than the single player Elder Scrolls games. It's an awesome game and I like to revisit it every couple of months or so.
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March Climber
Member
The other aspect is that Amazon Games is eventually going to screw it up, just like their other MMOs. The way they handle translation, content releases, and monetization all feels backwards, and I will still never understand why Namco put their trust in Amazon of all companies for western distribution, other than for a quick paycheck.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Probably money. Lots of these companies make really dumb decisions. PSO2 for example should of just been a upscaled port of PSO2. But they gave us New Genesis with skimped out content. Like it's insane why they can't just listen to what players want.
I think you can still play PSO2 vanilla but there is a weird way to go about it.
PSO2 > New Genesis IMO.
March Climber
Member
It's a shame that a ton of these MMO greats came out just a few years too soon. They would have thrived way, way better had they released just a few years later when MMOs started coming more and more to consoles, especially with games like these two where you could easily make a controller work.
March Climber
Member
I'm forgiving of New Genesis because PSO 2 eventually needed a 'sequel' of sorts and I've liked what I played from the spring of this year(after more content came out for it since launch). However from saying that, they should not have shackled it to the original PSO2, pissing off that playerbase and hiding it behind a weird selection menu.
So even when looking at things from the opposite viewpoint as a PSO2NG enjoyer, I agree with everything that you're saying.
Phase
Member
I was actually considering both of these, though more so ESO. Is the content engaging in ESO? I usually love the process of leveling and building different characters in MMO's but don't care for endgame.
I go back to Guild Wars 2 every once in a while. The last MMO I played on a regular basis before life got too busy.
I really wish I could devote myself to EVE or something like that. I love the idea of a long term engagement with a game that yields really cool, player driven experiences. However, I always lose interest after a while in any MMO.
I really wish I could devote myself to EVE or something like that. I love the idea of a long term engagement with a game that yields really cool, player driven experiences. However, I always lose interest after a while in any MMO.
Meicyn
Gold Member
NGS is sooooo bad. The game is a dress-up-my-creepy-porcelain-faced-waifu simulator with the ability to go do some combat on the side. The combat is more frantic than PSO2, but is infinitely more shallow and much like FFXIV, has stripped out any semblance of player expression in the gameplay. All expression is singularly through outfits. It’s depressing.
Mossybrew
Member
Well put. It boggles my mind when people recommend this game. Maybe as a cool space to hang with friends or showcase your catboy's latest fashions, but as an actual game it simply sucks.
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March Climber
Member
Story wise I consider it engaging. The gameplay takes an adjustment to get used to since it uses a Guild Wars 1 style skill bar system and does not fully play like an online Skyrim. The combat is real time though(especially if you're going melee or bow) and positioning matters, so you can't just stand in one spot and spam skills. Quest wise it has similar feelings of accepting a quest and discovering a cave, location, or new quest happening around you as you explore, much like other ES games.
Regarding endgame there's two paths you can take: The PvP campaign, or dungeons and world bosses. Honestly though, they've almost mapped out the entire planet for Tamriel at this point with content, so you won't be seeing endgame anytime soon(probably not for months) unless you power level and skip all story content, but you'll still be underpowered compared to others by skipping skyshards.
kvltus lvlzvs
Banned
Guild wars 1, turtlewow every once in a while
Revolutionary
Member
Just XIV, but I'm basically only subbing to keep my house these days because there isn't much to do in this expansion.
None. I was waiting on Pantheon Rise of the Fallen, but after 9 and 1/2 years and 3-4 reboots they finally decided to screw over most of their backers by announcing that they are going with a cartoony art style to go for more "contemporary" people. Previously this was supposed to be more of an EverQuest type of game (so more on the realistic and hard side).
Now I guess I am waiting on Monsters and Memories, another EverQuest style game. I am still not sure if I want to try FFXIV. And maybe I should take a look and see what is out there.
Now I guess I am waiting on Monsters and Memories, another EverQuest style game. I am still not sure if I want to try FFXIV. And maybe I should take a look and see what is out there.
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Drizzlehell
Banned
Dude, I would love to have TOR come to the consoles. The only reason why I don't play it more is that I don't like sitting at my desk so much these days and prefer couch gaming with a controller.
Yeah, the story content is pretty cool, and it's fully voiced like a regular Elder Scrolls game. I enjoyed the various quest lines and campaigns that it has to offer, and there's a mighty fuckton of it right now if you include all the expansions. You do kinda have to use the wiki if you don't want to get lost in all of it, though. At some point Bethesda eliminated zone level requirements, which means that you can start any quest you want at any point so if you don't know where you at, you're gonna do them completely out of order and probably get confused with the story. Of course, you can totally play them out of order, I guess it's not a big deal, but personally I started to enjoy the game more once I started doing everything in order. That way, I always knew what the characters are talking about in the dialogue and it was fun to see recurring characters between various storylines. It's not really as much of a sandbox game as single player ES games so you won't see any weird randomness to AI behavior or physics, but the world is huge and it feels epic because you have the entire Tamriel to explore. There's plenty to do in the game in terms of questing and activities, including recurring special events, group dungeons, etc. There's usually a Halloween event happening around this time of year so I'm gonna have to reinstall it soon.
Character customisation is also something that I enjoyed here, more than in most other MMOs that I played. My starting class was kinda like an assassin, I guess, but along the way I picked up so many different skills and perks that it became this weird hybrid assassin druid archer battlemage thing, lol. The way you develop your character and some of the other gameplay elements are pretty similar to Skyrim but you get to use far more spells and abilities in combat so it's more entertaining IMO. And of course, there's a ton of loot and cosmetics to play around with too.
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Phase
Member
Thank you so much for this in depth reply. When I'm able I'll def give this one a shot.
manfestival
Member
After playing quite a few MMOs. The only one that I really care for is New World. The game isn't quite as polished or as well done as some of the other ones but... I love the pvp combat of the game and that has me addicted more than any other game. Though I do have a sub currently active for FF14 but I am not that crazy about that game.
Sleepwalker
Member
None, but I wish I was playing one.
Haven't found one that grabs me since Ragnarok online back in the early 2000s
Haven't found one that grabs me since Ragnarok online back in the early 2000s
Freeman76
Member
I put 4,000 hours into GW2, one of my favourite MMOs ever. Havent played it since the 2nd expansion, often think of booting it up but my PC is well behind now and wouldnt run it. That game has so many amazing concepts in it. Cursed Shore was just so fun running around with a zerg completing events. I got a precursor drop off a chicken there as well which was sweet.
BDO I played a LOT too on xbox, incredible game but needs a massive time investment that I just cant commit to anymore.
BDO I played a LOT too on xbox, incredible game but needs a massive time investment that I just cant commit to anymore.
supernova8
Banned
Did anyone ever play RF Online? (the with the robots that looked like anorexic gundams)
I didn't get very far but I kinda liked it.
I didn't get very far but I kinda liked it.
