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[Magic Carpet]

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Thanks, I just downloaded the App on my iphone, 339.99 Yep there it is.
Used the same sign in as when I bought my PC there with 24 months 0% financing.
Bestbuy is probly more desperate for customers than Microsoft.

 

[twilo99]

But clearly they don't have the games the mass consumer's want, thus it's irrelevant. Hell, look at the lowly spec'ed Switch.

There are hundreds of games that run on both system with near identical performance and if you happen to want to play any of those non-exclusive games, the xsx is a much better deal at $330 than the PS5 at $500.

Exclusivity is a vastly different conversation.

 

[Deerock71]

Why are you experiencing fear?

 

[DeepEnigma]

There are hundreds of games that run on both system with near identical performance and if you happen to want to play any of those non-exclusive games, the xsx is a much better deal at $330 than the PS5 at $500.

Exclusivity is a vastly different conversation.

So what's MS's problem then?

 

[Magic Carpet]

Apple Watch Series 9 drops on the 21st for 359. I think the watch has games on it.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

There are hundreds of games that run on both system with near identical performance and if you happen to want to play any of those non-exclusive games, the xsx is a much better deal at $330 than the PS5 at $500.

Exclusivity is a vastly different conversation.

And yet, the PS5 is the higher seller by a large amount. Consumers decide what the better deal is.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And yet, the PS5 is the higher seller by a large amount. Consumers decide what the better deal is.

 

[twilo99]

Bullshit. You just said "The PS5 certainly doesn't provide $160 worth of performance over the xsx". I didn't even bring up PS5. I just said comparing PC and console pricing was bizarre.

You must've misunderstood what I mean by performance, let me try another way..

Are you familiar with the "cost per frame" equation?

It's where you take frame generating hardware at a certain price, measure the frames it produces in a video game, and compared that to another frame generating hardware using the same method. The results usually look like this:



In our case we have two such devices

xsx $330
PS5 $500

If you take a random game like BG3 you will find that both system run that game at almost identical frame rate and settings, that being 30FPS, which would then mean that every frame the xsx generates is much cheaper than the PS5.

Does that help you?

 

[apocaliptic]

Waiting for thE sweet $199 price. I know it is coming.

 

[graywolf323]

Apple Watch Series 9 drops on the 21st for 359. I think the watch has games on it.

actually it’s $359 now, the drop will be even lower

 

[Metnut]

Not low enough yet. Get to $289 and maybe I’ll think about it.

 

[twilo99]

Not low enough yet. Get to $289 and maybe I’ll think about it.

My target is $284.69

 

[NonPhixion]

When demand drops so does the price.

And here we are.

 

[Astray]

Is the Xbox Series X really all that bad? For those who don't own a PC, I mean.

As someone who owns it, it's a neat console that is solid on most fronts, but it also doesn't really excel in anything.

If it wasn't my 1st ever Xbox machine I'd honestly never really remember it in 5 or so years.

 

[mckmas8808]

And yet their revenue went up 9% this quarter...

It should be! They bought Bethesda a couple of years ago. But what about profit? How's GamePass doing?

 

[Topher]

You must've misunderstood what I mean by performance, let me try another way..

Are you familiar with the "cost per frame" equation?

It's where you take frame generating hardware at a certain price, measure the frames it produces in a video game, and compared that to another frame generating hardware using the same method. The results usually look like this:



In our case we have two such devices

xsx $330
PS5 $500

If you take a random game like BG3 you will find that both system run that game at almost identical frame rate and settings, that being 30FPS, which would then mean that every frame the xsx generates is much cheaper than the PS5.

Does that help you?

I think we are both missing each other's points. Yes, I understand price per frame, but the post I replied to was talking about overall costs of a PC versus that of XSX. If we are talking about overall costs then that is a much larger discussion than just price/performance. And the equation is much more fluid on the PC side with the multitude of variations vs static hardware. So how is PC vs XSX a better comparison than PS5 vs XSX? Answer: it just isn't.

But yeah, to your point that I misunderstood initially, if I'm just looking for the cheapest console to play multiplats and nothing else then right now XSX would be the better deal.

 

[DenchDeckard]

You must've misunderstood what I mean by performance, let me try another way..

Are you familiar with the "cost per frame" equation?

It's where you take frame generating hardware at a certain price, measure the frames it produces in a video game, and compared that to another frame generating hardware using the same method. The results usually look like this:



In our case we have two such devices

xsx $330
PS5 $500

If you take a random game like BG3 you will find that both system run that game at almost identical frame rate and settings, that being 30FPS, which would then mean that every frame the xsx generates is much cheaper than the PS5.

Does that help you?

Good on you for trying this.

This generation is completely Sony (nvidia) vs Microsoft (amd) when it comes to gpus. There's plenty of those that are happy with amd and see the dollar per performance but there's those that want nvidia and won't budge.

So, what's amd or Microsoft to do to win more customers over. Get the price as low as possible to incentivise sales.

It's clear that the playstation 5 is the immensely more popular choice for consumers, so Microsoft has to do something drastic to push sales. I'm just glad they actually are. We need them to push their less desirable product out the door. For a company that's biggest push is subscriptions, they should be taking whatever hit they need to take to get these consoles into as many hands as possible.

 

[BacklashWave534]

Dumping: Dumping, in economics, is a form of predatory pricing, especially in the context of international trade. It occurs when manufacturers export a product to another country at a price below the normal price with an injuring effect. The objective of dumping is to increase market share in a foreign market by driving out competition and thereby create a monopoly situation where the exporter will be able to unilaterally dictate price and quality of the product.

Liquidation: Liquidation generally refers to the process of selling off a company’s inventory, typically at a big discount, to generate cash. In most cases, a liquidation sale is a precursor to a business closing. Once all the assets have been sold, the business is shut down.

Pick one.

Jesus Christ dude. How about Christmas sale lol. Sell the console cheap and make it back on gamepass.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Good on you for trying this.

This generation is completely Sony (nvidia) vs Microsoft (amd) when it comes to gpus. There's plenty of those that are happy with amd and see the dollar per performance but there's those that want nvidia and won't budge.

A new narrative™ is born. In real time.

I thought Sony was Apple of gaming?

 

[PrimetimeKnight]

Wow MS has a hard time selling the series.

Hmm still a big NO. Maybe if they gave it out for 1$.

 

[bender]

In our case we have two such devices

xsx $330
PS5 $500

Actually, it would be $330 temporarily versus $450 (MSRP). And the majority of the generation it was $400 (PS4 DE) vs $500 (XSX).

 

[The Pleasure]

It REALLY makes you wonder what's going on over there in Redmond. They have to be losing close to $300 per console at these prices. How can the Xbox brand afford this?

Daddy Nutella's wallet is deep while Phil Spender's lust for spending money that's not his while producing no results is equally as deep.

 

[NeverYouMind]

As a Series S owner after careful consideration, I have decided that no matter how much Series X goes for I would rather spend that money on games. I also much prefer the slim design of the Series S over the bulky X and abhor the trashbin redesign.

 

[Flutta]

Especially surprising considering "console sales do not matter to Xbox."

Game sales don’t matter to Xbox
Console sales don't matter to Xbox
Winning GOTY don't matter to Xbox
Competition don't matter to Xbox
Most viewed game trailers on YT don't matter to Xbox



Only engagement matters to Xbox.
Gamers: What does that mean?
Xbox: Whatever the F we want it to mean.

 

[coffinbirth]

It should be! They bought Bethesda a couple of years ago. But what about profit? How's GamePass doing?

Somebody will have to take them to court again to know those true numbers, but they pocketed $1.5B last year...and they started FY23 with "record" revenue numbers. These numbers will only go up after the ABK deal.

 

[StereoVsn]

I'll be doing the same thing early next year with my PS5 and Switch in anticipation of new hardware. Will be flying solo PC for a while.

Wish I could do that but kids won’t have it .

 

[havoc00]

They are basically gifting it to gamer's at this price, you would be crazy not to buy

 

[MrMephistoX]

Shit at this price I think I’m returning the series S I just got for my dad for Xmas for $250. They can get rid of their standalone bluray player at least and better storage…

 

[FrankWza]

Not low enough yet. Get to $289 and maybe I’ll think about it.

It's on its way. Either by bundle or straight up. The problem for them is, you have to bundle a non-gp game to make it worth it. $299 with RE4. GP devalues bundles too.

 

[twilo99]

It should be! They bought Bethesda a couple of years ago. But what about profit? How's GamePass doing?

This next quarter is going to be very interesting because they will have to include Activision.

Actually, it would be $330 temporarily versus $450 (MSRP). And the majority of the generation it was $400 (PS4 DE) vs $500 (XSX).

Isn't the disk drive considered a major feature around here?

 

[bender]

Isn't the disk drive considered a major feature around here?

Not a factor for cost per frame.

 

[Horseganador]

At this rate, by Friday the series X will be $299 and the series S will be $99, what a way to devalue a product, $160 difference with PS5.

 

[twilo99]

Not a factor for cost per frame.

100% correct lol

I was just compering the like for like systems, but sure, the PS5 digital has been the better cost per frame machine for a while now if you don't care about the disk drive, however, as of right now, the xsx offers a disk drive and better cost per frame ratio.

 

[twilo99]

At this rate, by Friday the series X will be $299 and the series S will be $99, what a way to devalue a product, $160 difference with PS5.

Great time to be a gamer, wouldn't you say? That level of performance for only $330.. who can complain?

 

[bender]

Great time to be a gamer, wouldn't you say? That level of performance for only $330.. who can complain?

It’s like the price drops we saw in the PS2/Cube era. It’s just too bad it’s only coming because of Microsoft’s failures.

 

[Clintizzle]

It's all affordable and disgusting. Probably homeless people in line to get one.

I bet it comes with a month free of GamePass as well. Disgusting. I'm moving to *insert european country* where people buy consoles and PHYSICAL games for FULL Price, like god intended for us.

 

[twilo99]

It’s like the price drops we saw in the PS2/Cube era. It’s just too bad it’s only coming because of Microsoft’s failures.

Unless you are a Microsoft stock holder.. who cares? I see this a win for gamers.. It's great value.

 

[DenchDeckard]

A new narrative™ is born. In real time.

I thought Sony was Apple of gaming?

I only went with this because nvidia used to have like 90 percent market share of the gpu business vs amds 10 percent lol

 

[twilo99]

So what's MS's problem then?

Simple answer is ... games? The more complex thing would be to consider Sony's immense position in this particular market, and going against that would be very difficult for anyone.. dare I say, even for Apple.

 

[Brucey]

What's the point of selling a lot of consoles if they can't recoup their money from them? You can only sell at a loss so far. At some point software sales aren't going to make up for how much you're losing on every console sold.

This is normal operation for the Xbox console business.

 

[Brucey]

I just checked my local BestBuy, It's $399.99 here in the States. How do I get this 339?

Walmart should have it for $350 if you don't want to faff about with Best buy

 

[Tsaki]

If these discounts don't move a significant amount of units nothing will. This is the strongest piece of hardware you could buy for > $350 in the market nothing comes close in this form factor at this price. This is cheaper than some RTX 4060s alone which the series X trades blows with or exceeds, the difference is that you are getting a whole ass system instead of a single component. For an equivalent 4060 system you would need to buy a case, a psu, a cpu, ssd, mb, ram, and cooler all of which alone also cost more than the Series X and if you get them to match in price then they are shit tier components.

That is correct and the same applies to the $150 series s

Would be cool if Windows could be sideloaded. Best value NUCs on the market

 

[twilo99]

Would be cool if Windows could be sideloaded. Best value NUCs on the market

I know.. shame they keep it locked down like that. I got a used one for like $180 about a year ago and its been solid and I think it will be able to run Windows 11 just fine

 

[Brucey]

Somebody will have to take them to court again to know those true numbers, but they pocketed $1.5B last year...and they started FY23 with "record" revenue numbers. These numbers will only go up after the ABK deal.

Well yes after spending $69 billion on ABK they should have increased revenue to show. I think pre acquisition ABK revenue was something like 7 billion per year.

 

[twilo99]

Well yes after spending $69 billion on ABK they should have increased revenue to show. I think pre acquisition ABK revenue was something like 7 billion per year.

Their "personal computing" shows 13.7 billion for the last quarter which I think its only Surface and Xbox.. so, I think it's probably more than 7 billion for the year

 

[SmokedMeat]

Xbox 360 used to have insane Christmas bundles and deals as well.

$330 is pretty nuts for the hardware. Not bad even if just for all the 360 exclusives.

 

[coffinbirth]

Well yes after spending $69 billion on ABK they should have increased revenue to show. I think pre acquisition ABK revenue was something like 7 billion per year.

 

[Brucey]

Their "personal computing" shows 13.7 billion for the last quarter which I think its only Surface and Xbox.. so, I think it's probably more than 7 billion for the year

Actually it's much more than that, there's a reason Windows licensing is included in that segment. Therefore the segment as a whole for reporting purposes is always vastly profitable.

Segment Information - Microsoft Investor Relations

www.microsoft.com

 

[kikonawa]

Maybe they will kill off the series x.. series s to x ratio is allready 3 to 1

 

[DenchDeckard]

Gotta be flying off the shelves at 339, surely. That's an insane price for the hardware.