I can understand it if they made the decision that they had to make a Marth clone- if there has to be a clone, might as well use the character that looks more distinct.
And has more merch.
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!
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I can understand it if they made the decision that they had to make a Marth clone- if there has to be a clone, might as well use the character that looks more distinct.
I suspected that initially, but it doesn't make much sense. The same leak included "Pokemon X/Y" (and with Chrom, is generally probably very early). Why would we expect the leaker to have seen a picture at all, much less a picture/video with no written name?
There is almost no way that Sakurai would cut a character just because people already knew about it beforehand. It's not like that happened with Brawl, and it's especially hard to swallow if he already had work done on him before deciding a leak 'ruined it'.
Baron von Loathsome
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Yeah, I was considering that, too. I think the Rhythm Heaven rep is safe, but Shulk is still at risk.
theprodigy
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That's probably the least plausible theory I've heard, cut a character 2 months before release because of some leaker? lol
kuroneko0509
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Still waiting for Lucina's figma to happen, not just wonfest prototype ;___;
InvincibleAgent
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DK and Diddy have had more games in the DK series than in the Mario series. Party and Kart don't count since those are all-star games like Smash.
I would call Yoshi a Mario character since he's appeared more frequently in Mario games than in Yoshi games.
Or Sakurai being the type of person he is, wants to meet a specific quota established for this game's disc release before thinking about DLC additions?
I know optimism leads to heart break but come on now.
Baron von Loathsome
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I wasn't thinking that, just that one of the leaked characters would have to be cut because of developmental problems.
Besides, clones would be pretty lame DLC.
Red Arremer
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Wario is in the same boat there, and he even has 2 series lol.
Not75Drops
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Not saying it isn't debunked but this point has been countered many times in that the leak never said they were all the characters that were left.
Yeah, they need to show a painted version already. I want the ZSS one too to go with Varia Suit.
I mean, I openly admit that I don't know shit when it comes to how licensing and the like work for games like this (NDAs getting broken or whatever). I'm also going on the record to say that I don't believe in any of this, just having a moment with a silly idea.
Senselessb
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I wouldnt use the word debunked, it just has errors that need filled. And until we have a valid explanation, the leak is up in the air. The next reveal should hopefully explain things, or at least make it clearer.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Those informations don't really sound optimism to me, and I don't like to get my hope high for something that might not happens.
Guess we would just have to settle for Falcon ass.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
dibs on Peach's
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Several angles? Nope. Leaker never claimed it was comprehensive. So it's one angle, and even that can be explained if that translation is accurate.
Welp, there goes Mewtwo chances of returning for Smash Bros 4. ;p
Dibs on Rosalina.
Hahahaha.
InvincibleAgent
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All this talk about how Lucina was shuffled in to fill a roster spot, and how she's just like Marth but without the tipping, simply makes me miss Roy. Seems like they could have just brought him back instead and nobody would be confused, and then they could have still kept Lucina as a Marth alt.
Then we get 2 characters instead of one, at hardly any additional work.
Then we get 2 characters instead of one, at hardly any additional work.
Red Arremer
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Or it could mean that they had enough time to add a clone but not a full blown new character, and since Lucina already had a model (since she was planned as Marth alt), and makes sense as clone lore-wise, it was easier to include her individually instead of making a new model for somebody else. That said, this was probably the closest to Roy returning we're ever going to get (since he represented in Melee was Lucina is for Smash 4 - changing the stronger tipper and weaker blade to equal power across the blade), and he didn't make it, so we can assume he's definitely out.
Baron von Loathsome
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So you are conceding that the list is incomplete at best. It's time to let go.
JStein0222
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Was at GameStop today and one of the employees was all upset that it looks like Roy is a no show for Smash 4
akidnamededdy
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Unless they're freeeeeeeee.
I can see Nintendo releasing Amiibos for future DLC characters and if you buy the figurine you unlock them early but if you don't they become free like....a month or so later? I dunno.
Diprosalic
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release everybody and everything as DLC i don't even care as long as they'll make them.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
At least, the interview painted the clear picture that Dark Pit is more likely to be alt costume for Pit, unless there is other cut that they have to quickly to make Dark Pit as clone.
Kor of Memory
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I was pretty proud of that one.
The Bankslammer
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The blurb about how Lucina came to be is basically "Originally Lucina was a Marth color variation because they're related characters. The have different names and voices but play the same, and would receive treatment similar to male/female WFT, Villager and Robin. However, while Lucina's fighting style is the same, she has different characteristics. Because there's only a small difference, she would be a convenient additional character. This made her a lucky newcomer pick."
or something like that
Maybe there's something on the rest of the page that mentions a cut character, but... I don't see why it wouldn't go along with the section on why she was included. No mention of cut characters or needing to fill in a removed spot.
or something like that
Maybe there's something on the rest of the page that mentions a cut character, but... I don't see why it wouldn't go along with the section on why she was included. No mention of cut characters or needing to fill in a removed spot.
... it means he's not a playable character this time around.
That's all. No offense, but there's no illuminati message and secret codes being tossed around in these trailers, nothing about an underground war of Sakurai vs The Leak.
theprodigy
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I doubt it means that. Chrom would be the 3rd character debuting from a single game if that were the case, and Smash 4 is literally all 3 characters' 2nd appearance ever. I still think most characters that were cut/half-finished will get in (Like Lucas, if the Gematsu leak still holds true), but between that and Chrom already being in as somebody else's Final Smash, I think he isn't coming back. However, it's not stopping, say, Mewtwo from coming back in as DLC. Although I doubt Pokemon'll get back all it's cuts, as that'd require 4 characters, skyrocketing it past everyone else despite likely having a fighting game of its own (C'mon, Pokken!)
SoldnerKei
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So there's nothing about a cut character?
Hot Coldman
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The real blurb: "one day Iwata came into my office and wrote down the sales figures for Awakening all over my desk
I took the hint"
I took the hint"
Tom Nook Sawyer
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It's not a concession--we've known this to be the case
Baron von Loathsome
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Yes. Because the leaker clearly got something wrong.
However, he/she clearly got a ton of stuff right, too. It's too early to completely write him/her off.
The Bankslammer
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Nothing like it in the bit that was accidentally posted.
Well, they'd have to model and texture Roy from the ground up, whereas Lucina was already modelled as an alt. That's workload.
Didn't the leaker say that the reveal would be shulk? It wasn't. And Chrom is not in the game, like he said he would be. Guys either a fraud, has bad information, or is completely guessing. Or a combination of the three. Either way it means he's hardly any more credible than any other rumor starting "leaker"
Baron von Loathsome
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Not yet.
So that list was posted by a gematsu apologist basically?
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