PantherLotus said:

Non-games. LOL.

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Rhythm Tengoku is most defintely not a non-game. It's basically a Warioware title without the Warioware branding.



Those are pretty weak sales for Wii Music, but I'm sure that that thing will have really strong legs.

Tiktaalik said:

Rhythm Tengoku is most defintely not a non-game. It's basically a Warioware title without the Warioware branding.

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It sold a Mil in Japan - so it is a Non-Game.

Every mini-game is a warioware game without the branding. Rhythm mini-games seems more accurate.

Looks like Wii Sports and MK DS won't get a chance to rejoin the top 10 soon, that's probably a good thing.

PantherLotus said:

So you're saying that it may or may not be a bomb and these first week sales which are less than other Wii series' first weeks may or may not be a cause for Nintendo to worry?

Are you certain?

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No, i'm saying that i'm not going to say that Wii Music is a bomb because we only have like 4 days of sales data for Wii music and the other games in the "Wii" serie have all shown great legs. If Wii Music stops to chart within the top 50 in Media Create weekly ranking list after 3-4 weeks from now on and then Wii Music never charts again, then we might start talking about if it is a bomb or not

To take an example: Brain Training 1 for the DS, didnt that game sell like 16k (or maybe it was something like 36k?) the first week, but in the end it ended up selling over 3 million copies in Japan? Thats why i think its to early to saying anything if Wii Music (or any game for that sake) will bomb when it has only been out on the marked for about 1 week.

People might discuss around the topic that Wii Music's first week preformance is weaker than the other games in the "Wii" serie, that is fine for me of course, and they might even call the first week's sales for a "bomb" if someone should prefer that, but when i personally think of games that are bombing, then i think about the overall preformace of the game when it is all said and done Or you can say "the first week sales of (insert a game title here) bombed" if people want to use the word bomb (then i'm talking in general, this is not directed to Wii Music, because i think about 100k the first week is not too bad)


About if Nintendo is worrying or not, i just said that the first weeks sales of Wii Music is about 29% of the total first shipment (atleast if Sinobi's numbers on 350k is correct (i think it was about 350k atleast, please correct me if im wrong)), and i dont think that this sell-through rate is exactly super great. I wonder what Nintendo's expecations were for Wii Music's first week sales. I wonder how Nintendo feels about this, or if they arent worried at all because they "know" that Wii Music will contunie to sell relatively good for a longer period of time

phez said:

I'm surprised at the lack of faith around LBP. Why do some of you think it won't sell well in Japan of all places?

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Because it's neither on the DS nor the Wii. In the UK I don't think the FIFA crowd will get it, In the USA the Madden/Guitar Hero won't get it, and although I think it will do best in japan (relatively speaking) I'm not sure it will appeal to the typical non PS3 owner enough to get them to pick up the system.



I think that WiiMusic will be creating it's own trajectory, and once the positive vibes from the casuals hits it will continue to sell 50k in normal weeks and 100k over the new year. 1 Million by the ned of Golden week would be a realistic path I think.

Kurosaki Ichigo said:

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I haven't played it, but based on the concept, I think this has the potential to do really well.

As well if the game actually does a good job with the concept, NoA are leaving huge amounts of cash on the table if they don't bring this over.

Women love fashion, women love dress up dolls and there are tons of little girls with DS's out there.

Linkup said:

Every mini-game is a warioware game without the branding. Rhythm mini-games seems more accurate.

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Well Rhythm Tengoku is certainly no sterile, adult focused, "Rhythm Training" game, and so that's why throwing the "non-game" label on it is not altogether correct. It's a colorful, stylish, in your face, video gamey feeling video game. The art style is a literal copy of the Wario ware art style, but it's just that there is no Wario here.

The style of the game is completely different than all of the other sterile, non-games we've seen come out of Nintendo.

There's a distinction here, but I'm not sure what it shows. I guess you could note that it maybe shows that adult consumers that became comfortable with the DS because of grownup-ish software are willing to try out other styles of games if they sound interesting?

Maybe it's just a good game and the sheer massiveness of the DS install base insures it excellent sales. Has the marketing been huge for this title?

Tiktaalik said:

Well Rhythm Tengoku is certainly no sterile, adult focused, "Rhythm Training" game, and so that's why throwing the "non-game" label on it is not altogether correct. It's a colorful, stylish, in your face, video gamey feeling video game. The art style is a literal copy of the Wario ware art style, but it's just that there is no Wario here.

The style of the game is completely different than all of the other sterile, non-games we've seen come out of Nintendo.

There's a distinction here, but I'm not sure what it shows. I guess you could note that it maybe shows that adult consumers that became comfortable with the DS because of grownup-ish software are willing to try out other styles of games if they sound interesting?

Maybe it's just a good game and the sheer massiveness of the DS install base insures it excellent sales. Has the marketing been huge for this title?

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You don't get it or haven't been on GAF long enough.

C.T. said:

You don't get it or haven't been on GAF long enough.

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Correct.

1 million sales = Non-Game. Let's add this to the Sales-Age FAQ.

I think with Wii Music it's just really a different proposition from the other Wii titles- attempting to basically stand on its own as a full priced piece of software.

Wii Sports is budget priced and in many respects defined the system.

Wii Fit is essentially a peripheral.

Wii Play is of course bundled with a controller.

Wii Music is the first full priced, non-peripheral software.

shouldn't we have the leaked famitsu HW numbers by now?

Not enough Nintendo titles in the top 10. I don't like this week's Media Create.

PantherLotus said:

Correct.

1 million sales = Non-Game. Let's add this to the Sales-Age FAQ.

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:lol

sphinx said:

shouldn't we have the leaked famitsu HW numbers by now?

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They're in the other thread.

PantherLotus was likely joking.

Some gaffers were saying that anything that hits 1 million was a non-game(because of Nintendogs and Brain Training hitting a million in japan). So in turn when something like NSMB, MKDS, or FF3 hit a million people mocked the others who basically tried to pin the DS userbase as nothing more than old people and kids. Anyway the notion was continuously proven wrong and occasionally people still play the joke.

RTG is another example of a game deemed hardcore(or core) in the past by some that is now hitting a million units in Japan. Also it did have quite a bit of marketing(good word of mouth also), and probably still has stuff going.

phez said:

I'm surprised at the lack of faith around LBP. Why do some of you think it won't sell well in Japan of all places?

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This isn't something I've put a great deal of thought into, but the combination of western developer, being a console 2D platformer, lacking a known brand, and being a PS3 game seems to give the game an uphill path.

phez said:

I'm surprised at the lack of faith around LBP. Why do some of you think it won't sell well in Japan of all places?

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Traditionally, Western made games have not done very well at all in Japan.

Linkup said:

PantherLotus was likely joking.

Some gaffers were saying that anything that hits 1 million was a non-game(because of Nintendogs and Brain Training hitting a million in japan). So in turn when something like NSMB, MKDS, or FF3 hit a million people mocked the others who basically tried to pin the DS userbase as nothing more than old people and kids. Anyway the notion was continuously proven wrong and occasionally people still play the joke.

RTG is another example of a game deemed hardcore(or core) in the past by some that is now hitting a million units in Japan. Also it did have quite a bit of marketing(good word of mouth also), and probably still has stuff going.

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Yeah I get the joke. Rhythm Tengoku is an interesting case though, since it's really simply a new game that is getting sales by being great and appealing to people. Many people argued that NSMB did well because it was a Mario game and was appealing to the nostalgia of the many lapsed Famicom gamers that had bought a DS for Brainage and other software.

It would be interesting to know the demographic make up of who is buying Rhythm Tengoku.

The 1 Million = Non-game status was a recurring joke around here about one year ago.

PantherLotus said:

23 DS Million Sellers
1. Pokémon Diamond / Pearl ( 5,578,782 )
2. New Super Mario Bros. ( 5,281,886 )
3. Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day ( 4,897,082 )
4. Animal Crossing: Wild World ( 4,730,152 )
5. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day ( 3,689,161 )
6. Mario Kart DS ( 3,216,022 )
7. English Training: Have Fun Improving Your Skills ( 2,051,037 )
8. Nintendogs (Labrador, Dachshund, Chihuahua) ( 1,777,272 )
9. Mario Party DS ( 1,763,496 )
10. Pokémon Platinum ( 1,602,535 )
11. Kanshuu Nippon Joushikiryoku Kentei Kyoukai: Imasara Hito ni wa Kikenai Otona no Joushikiryoku Training DS ( 1,538,618 )
12. Big Brain Academy ( 1,492,095 )
13. Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker ( 1,458,149 )
14. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Time/Darkness ( 1,392,972 )
15. Tetris DS ( 1,232,061 )
16. Dragon Quest IV ( 1,201,771 )
17. Dragon Quest V ( 1,152,229 )
18. WarioWare: Touched! ( 1,136,255 )
19. Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop ( 1,110,046 )
20. Super Mario 64 DS ( 1,069,060 )
21. Kirby Squeak Squad ( 1,060,257 )
22. Oshare Majo Love & Berry - DS Collection ( 1,039,669 )
23. Final Fantasy III ( 1,008,230 )

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You are missing Yoshi's Island DS! It cleared a million in its first year:

9. DS Yoshi's Island DS （Nintendo） 07/03/08 1,021,380

Tiktaalik said:

Yeah I get the joke. Rhythm Tengoku is an interesting case though, since it's really simply a new game that is getting sales by being great and appealing to people. Many people argued that NSMB did well because it was a Mario game and was appealing to the nostalgia of the many lapsed Famicom gamers that had bought a DS for Brainage and other software.

It would be interesting to know the demographic make up of who is buying Rhythm Tengoku.

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Nintendo advertised this game very well, actually. It also helps that it has one of the pop sensation songs of the moment.

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(WII) New Play Control! Mario Power Tennis - Sports (Tennis)
(WII) EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis - Sports (Tennis)
(WII) Wii Sports - Sports (Various)
(WII) Wii Sports Resort - Sports (Various)
(WII) Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games - Sports (Various)
(WII) Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games - Sports (Various)
(WII) Mario Sports Mix - Sports (Various)
(WII) EA Sports Active: Personal Trainer - Sports (Various)
(WII) Family Challenge Wii - Sports (Various)
(WII) Deca Sports (Hudson the Best) - Sports (Various)
(WII) EA Sports Active: Personal Trainer - More Workouts - Sports (Various)
(WII) Little King's Story - Strategy
(WII) New Play Control! Pikmin - Strategy (Real Time)
(WII) New Play Control! Pikmin 2 - Strategy (Real Time)
(WII) Battalion Wars 2 - Strategy (Real Time)
(WII) Takt of Magic - Strategy (Real Time)
(WII) SD Gundam G Generation: Wars - Strategy (Turn Based)
(WII) Super Robot Wars Neo - Strategy (Turn Based)
(WII) SD Gundam Gashapon Wars - Strategy (Turn Based)
(WII) Romance of the Three Kingdoms XI with Power-Up Kit - Strategy (Turn Based)
(WII) Nobunaga's Ambition: Iron Triangle with Power-Up Kit - Strategy (Turn Based)
(WII) Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles - Survival Horror
(WII) Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles - Survival Horror
(WII) Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition - Survival Horror
(WII) Resident Evil 0 - Survival Horror
(WII) Fatal Frame: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse - Survival Horror
(WII) Resident Evil - Survival Horror
(WII) Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (Best Price!) - Survival Horror
(WII) Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition (Best Price!) - Survival Horror
(WII) Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop - Survival Horror
(WII) The House of the Dead: Overkill - Survival Horror
(WII) Escape from Bug Island - Survival Horror
(WII) Ju-On: The Grudge - Survival Horror
(WII) Dead Space: Extraction - Survival Horror
(WII) Calling - Survival Horror
(WII) Silent Hill: Shattered Memories - Survival Horror

Gaborn said:

They're in the other thread.

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can someone please point me to that "other thread" ?

I guess it's the famitsu news thread but I can't find it in the first 3 pages, where is it?

or better yet, someone just post the numbers.

sphinx said:

can someone please point me to that "other thread" ?

I guess it's the famitsu news thread but I can't find it in the first 3 pages, where is it?

or better yet, someone just post the numbers.

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Famitsu 10/13 - 10/19/2008

PSP: 156.000
NDS: 34.000
WII: 25.000
PS2: 7.800
360: 6.000
PS3: 4.800



1. Wii Music (Wii) 98.865 [98.865]
2. Pokémon Platinum (NDS) 63.000 [1.746.000]
3. Yuusha no Kuse ni Namaikida Or 2 (PSP) 62.224 [62.224]
4. Culdcept DS (NDS) 50.468 [50.468]
5. Rhythm Tengoku Gold (NDS) 41.000 [931.000]
6. Kidou Senshi Gundam 00: Gundam Meisters (PS2) 39.890 [39.890]
7. Macross Ace Frontier (PSP) 26.000 [123.000]
8. Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Special (PS2) 24.000 [182.000]
9. Wii Fit (Wii) 16.000 [2.654.000]
10. Mario Kart Wii (Wii) 11.000 [1.778.000]

11. Super Robot Wars Z (PS2) 11.000 [451.000]
12. Daikaijuu Battle: Ultra Coliseum (Wii) 9.896 [9.896]
13. Dragon Ball: Origins (NDS) 9.200 [140.000]
14. Inazuma Eleven (NDS) 7.700 [120.000]
15. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (PSP) 7.300 [2.439.000]
16. Daigasso! Band Brothers DX (NDS) 6.700 [376.000]
17. Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces (Wii) 6.000 [6.000]
18. Wii Sports (Wii) 5.500 [3.157.000]
19. Jikkyou Powerful Major League 3 (PS2) 5.200 [32.000]
20. One Piece Unlimited Cruise: Episode 1 - Nami ni Yureru Hihou (Wii) 4.900 [92.000]
21. Meccha Taiko Drum Master DS: Adventure in Seven Islands (NDS) 4.800 [367.000]
22. Phantasy Star Portable (PSP) 4.800 [619.000]
23. Mario Kart DS (NDS) 4.600 [3.225.000]
24. World Destruction (NDS) 4.500 [85.000]
25. J-League Winning Eleven 2008 Club Championship (PS2) 4.400 [170.000]
26. Zaidan Houjin Nippon Kanji Nouryoku Kentei Kyoukai Koushiki Soft: 250-Mannin no KanKen (NDS) 4.200 [294.000]
27. Zaidan Houjin Nippon Kanji Nouryoku Kentei Kyoukai Kounin: KanKen DS 2 + Jouyou Kanji Jiten (NDS) 4.000 [272.000]
28. Wii Play (Wii) 3.700 [2.492.000]
29. Yattaman 2 (NDS) 3.604
30.

xx. Away: Shuffle Dungeon (NDS) 1.851
xx. Nazo Nazo & Quiz Ichi Kotae Jikkon Q Mate! (NDS) 540

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xx. Away: Shuffle Dungeon (NDS) 1.851

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Wow, I somehow missed that. So, uh...wow. D:

Captain Smoker said:

Famitsu 10/13 - 10/19/2008

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thanks a lot.

360: 6.000
PS3: 4.800

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what the fuck is this... those are the worst numbers I have seen for HD consoles in quite some time, specially PS3, I am not sure how low can it go before we can declare it dead in the water in japan.

sphinx said:

thanks a lot.



what the fuck is this... those are the worst numbers I have seen for HD consoles in quite some time, specially PS3, I am not sure how low can it go before we can declare it dead in the water in japan.

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PS3 has been dead in the water in Japan for a while now.

Pisswalker fails again. It's kind of sad, I loved ASH's design and from what I know MW actually had something to do with that. A traditional turn based rpg with ASH's design would be interesting, and something that may actually work out like BD. I'm only talking about ASH's character and world designs, I know nothing of it's dialogue, plot, and other likely cringe worthy moments.

Captain Smoker said:

Media Create != Famitsu

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Yeah. Whichever is right, it is a pretty notable discrepancy. Media Create has it a bit over a million, Famitsu has it just shy of 900K.

Looks like that's the highest non-million-seller Famitsu currently has for DS.

JoshuaJSlone said:

Yeah. Whichever is right, it is a pretty notable discrepancy. Media Create has it a bit over a million, Famitsu has it just shy of 900K.

Looks like that's the highest non-million-seller Famitsu currently has for DS.

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Actually it managed 923.025 units: http://www.geocities.jp/million2ch/data.html

Phantom Hourglass: 885.177


But I don't know the LTD week.

Captain Smoker said:

Media Create != Famitsu

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As this topic says "Media Create Sales" it's quite fair to list Yoshis Island...

^ right. the point was that list was from famitsu sources, courtesy of garaph.

Regulus Tera said:

PS3 has been dead in the water in Japan for a while now.

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but how dead is it?

Captain Smoker said:

Actually it managed 923.025 units: http://www.geocities.jp/million2ch/data.html

Phantom Hourglass: 885.177


But I don't know the LTD week.

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*nod* Yeah, we do miss those random LTD updates sometimes. That's the great thing about the Top 500. It may take forever to get them, but it updates anything notable.

PantherLotus said:

but how dead is it?

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Is it mostly dead or all dead? If it's all dead, there is only one thing to do.

What's that?

Rummage for loose change.

Gaborn said:

I wonder how many PS3 games had a bigger first week. Sure there have been some, but if THAT is "bombing"...

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so comparing something to the PS3 is the definition of success now?

PantherLotus said:

So you're saying that it may or may not be a bomb and these first week sales which are less than other Wii series' first weeks may or may not be a cause for Nintendo to worry?

Are you certain?

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I just wanted to quote this again because i now noticed that i had deleted some of the text that i first wrote in that post for some reason (i guess it happend by an accident when i edited the post earlier), so what i first wrote might have looked abit wierd, i am sorry about that. But i have now edited that post

360: 6.000
PS3: 4.800

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Has Sony hit the panic button yet? :O

is this sky crawler's debut week? looks like a bomba

Things will be right with the world when WKC hits PS3.

dallow_bg said:

Things will be right with the world when WKC hits PS3.

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for a week or so, maybe

JoshuaJSlone said:

It may take forever to get them, but it updates anything notable.

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If your definition of notable is that it makes the Top 500, then yeah. Yoshi's Island should show up on the 2008 Top 500, if that is a Famitsu total, though.

schuelma said:

for a week or so, maybe

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It launches Christmas Day. If the PS3 isn't already seeing a sales surge that close to New Year's, ...

phez said:

I'm surprised at the lack of faith around LBP. Why do some of you think it won't sell well in Japan of all places?

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Because it's a western game. Doesn't matter if it's published by Sony, they can smell the foreignness.









Oh and well it's a PS3 game too, you know...

schuelma said:

for a week or so, maybe

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The record for so far for a PS3 game appearing in the top 10 is 4 weeks and is a tie between Hot Shots Golf and MGS4.

I think this title may actually tie or beat it... we'll see.

OldJadedGamer said:

The record for so far for a PS3 game appearing in the top 10 is 4 weeks and is a tie between Hot Shots Golf and MGS4.

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For Famitsu, MGS4 did 4 weeks and MnG5 did 3 weeks in the the top 10. There are then 9 PS3 games that had 2 weeks in the Top 10.

donny2112 said:

For Famitsu, MGS4 did 4 weeks and MnG5 did 3 weeks in the the top 10. There are then 9 PS3 games that had 2 weeks in the Top 10.

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and Media Create?

jrricky said:

Has Sony hit the panic button yet? :O

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Aren't people just holding out for the new SKU? If so, I'd expect sales to reform to their former glory soon enough.

oh my




PSP 159,816
DS Lite 29,839
Wii 26,024
Xbox 360 7,856
PS2 7,261
PS3 4,725

lol

:lol

schuelma said:

oh my




PSP 159,816
DS Lite 29,839
Wii 26,024
Xbox 360 7,856
PS2 7,261
PS3 4,725

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:lol

Looks like 360 and PS3 may have switched places