But it's a much more complex game that pushes things like 44 cars on screen with variable weather and time on a home console, running at a much higher framerate. If it wasn't for the shitton of bugs... =/
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But it's a much more complex game that pushes things like 44 cars on screen with variable weather and time on a home console, running at a much higher framerate. If it wasn't for the shitton of bugs... =/
icecold1983
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its not 60 fps on consoles, and even on a high end pc is still looks poor. forza being damn close to a true locked 60 fps xbone title looks good considering. its a very nice improvement over forza 5. pcars sucks up massive amounts of gpu rendering power on a pc and does nothing useful with it.
edit - i dont play forza but it appears its a truly locked 60 fps. even better.
Ploid 3.0
Member
DC is so pweety. I want Motar Stawm. Pweez Evolution?
Terbinator
Member
"Damm close"? Did I miss something?
NullPointer
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As you mentioned it really isn't a fair comparison without a 60fps video. DriveClub stuns, as always, and deservedly so, but without that 60fps we're not seeing the real Forza 6. Not sure about pCars as I haven't played it.Not that it's a particularly fair comparison (60fps vs 30fps and all), but here's a pretty good comparison of Forza 6, Driveclub and PCars in a range of conditions, views etc. Some of you may recognise who one of the top comments is from lol. No guesses needed as to it's contents
Forza 6 vs. DriveClub vs. Project CARS | Graphics, Rain & Weather Gameplay Comparison (PS4 & Xbox)
icecold1983
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i dont play forza games, but i was just allowing for the possibility of very rare framerate drops.
Terbinator
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By why do that when they have a pedigree for hitting a constant 60FPS and there's frame rate data out there aupporting this for the latest game.
There's no need to "allow" for anything.
icecold1983
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i dont think it changes the point i was trying to make, i was providing positive feedback on forza 6s graphics, but fair enough. if its a perfect 60 fps, even better.
It is pretty much a locked 60fps on the PS4 since a few patches ago. And this is with 30 racers on the grid.
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_project_cars_rain_race_brands_hatch-34844_en.html
icecold1983
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all the data i remember seeing painted pcars as a 60 fps game as long as you race alone, on certain tracks, on clear mid day weather. otherwise it varied wildly between 30 and 50
The game improved a lot after the patches, just like Driveclub.
It's not 60FPS all the time, but it stays there most of it.
JackAubrey
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That's not my experience. It still isn't particularly smooth on my PS4. When I jump to a game that really is 60fps it's really obvious.
See the link above. With dynamic weather, heavy rain and 30 cars on screen, even with the graphical, motion blur and AA improvements, it's still pretty much a locked 60fps. Does suffer from some tearing though, but not much imo. Not from my own experience with it anyway. If you push the car count even further, naturally the frame rate is less likely to hold.
Liquidsnake
Banned
I got punced on in the Forza thread for saying that I was disappointed in FM6 graphics, and that Driveclub pretty much ruined everything.
I hate DC driving mechanics though, but it is the prettiest game I have seen next gen.
I hate DC driving mechanics though, but it is the prettiest game I have seen next gen.
icecold1983
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how many cars does forza 6 support? i still think it looks noticeably better.
TheAdmiester
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Forza 6 is 24 on track.
24. And using the words "locked 60" and Project Cars in the same sentence is a stretch. Even in solo races in normal weather the game tears frames.
Yautja_Warrior
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Good side by side Video of Forza 6 v DriveClub, really shows a big difference between the two games.
https://youtu.be/92qB-MK6wVo
https://youtu.be/92qB-MK6wVo
I think they trade blows, with PCars having better IQ and vehicle models/shaders. But Forza 6 having better environments and geometry, and better weather effects. Lighting wise I again think they trade blows, depending on conditions and time of day. PCars does however have more vehicles racing on the grid, on top of dynamic weather and dynamic time of day, things which Forza 6 does not have, so that could be something else to consider. I believe the Xbox One version of PCars also runs at 900p instead of 1080p, and has a less consistent frame rate than the PS4 version, so there's that too. Still a tremendous effort for a crowd funded game.
Liquidsnake
Banned
I feel like Turn 10 are falling behind the curve they use to lead.
Yep DC has much better atmospheric effects. No idea why some people in the Forza thread are saying they are comparable. I even downloaded the F6 demo to see if there was some truth to this. There was not.
They still have the best looking 1080p/60 fps racer on console (and likely will until Polyphony launches something). In terms of 30 fps racers I think Need for Speed has promise to be the best looking 30 fps racer, but until then it is Driveclub.
Ha and our favorite poster is all over those comments as well. How does he have time for it?
In terms of handling model and physics, they're still the king IMO.
Stillmatic
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Pretty huge seeing it side by side like that. It's going to be interesting to see what Polyphony are capable of. I really hope a stable 60fps is high on their priority list though.
Liquidsnake
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Yes. Im just disappointed that the graphics have not changed all that much from last gen to this gen.
Need for Speed is on another level. Should be interesting to see how the XB1 version turns out. DriveClub has a realistic color palette that Forza just isn't doing. NFS being multiplatform with those graphics tells me the way a game looks has more to do with developers design direction than hardware.
What kind of sign?
Think of someone who used to frequent threads, mostly Forza ones. I believe he is a fan of Fords. He's also a guy.
Liquidsnake
Banned
When you see NFS, and Driveclub, its difficult to look at Forza and say yeah that looks good.
I know they are different, but cmon man this is supposed to be next/current gen.
I know they are different, but cmon man this is supposed to be next/current gen.
Not that it's a particularly fair comparison (60fps vs 30fps and all), but here's a pretty good comparison of Forza 6, Driveclub and PCars in a range of conditions, views etc. Some of you may recognise who one of the top comments is from lol. No guesses needed as to it's contents
Forza 6 vs. DriveClub vs. Project CARS | Graphics, Rain & Weather Gameplay Comparison (PS4 & Xbox)
Project Cars scenery and texture quality looks last gen. Forza 6 is decent for the most part, until it starts raining and it looks like the car is floating in mid air. Driveclub's lighting is still unprecedented, and the rain effects are stunning.
One is literally drawing twice as many frames as the other. It has half the time to draw each image. 30 fps doesn't work well for simulating a realistic driving experience. 30 fps games simply don't feel as good as 60 fps ones, especially in racers.
I wonder what frame rate DC would run at on non-rainy conditions, considering that even in a torrential storm it never drops a single frame.
Also, does anybody know what graphical improvements Turn 10 made from F5 to F6, besides the obvious things that can't be compared like weather?
Also, does anybody know what graphical improvements Turn 10 made from F5 to F6, besides the obvious things that can't be compared like weather?
Ahhhhh, you mean FordTaurusChap. Why didn't you just say that.
icecold1983
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the lighting looks much better in f6.
What improvements did they make to it? I downloaded the F6 demo but I haven't played it yet.
icecold1983
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i dont own either game, i just watch gamersyde videos. the lighting looks much more natural in f6. im guessing they improved their tone mapping and post processing.
Well, DC was originally aiming to be a 60fps title, so I wouldn't be surprised if it holds 60fps a lot of the time. Likewise with Forza 6, you have to wonder what the uncapped frame rate would be.
Aceofspades
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These videos made me appreciate DC even more. F6 looks like GT5 with bad lightning and cartoony color palette. All F6 has for it is the stable 60 fps other than that DC looks next gen compared to it.
locked 1080/60, how does it work guys?
Yeah. I generally hate uncapped framerates but I would kind of like an option in DC just to see.
I think that 60fps target was very early and very generous given how the game looks now. Maybe in the most sterile conditions it could approach 60, even then I doubt it.
TheAdmiester
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I really doubt Driveclub would run at 60 without its cap. More in the region of 35-45, maybe 50 in a very empty scene. Just because it was originally aiming to be a 60fps title doesn't mean it would look anything like how it does now. It probably looked a lot different to the current version before they changed their "vision" for it.
Yeah. DC has its moments, but mostly left me underwhelmed from a driving perspective. I'm sure I'd have more fun with Forza 6, but graphically, they're not in the same league. DC is still the only racing game to look next gen, rather than a shiner, prettier 360 game.
You have to wonder how it can keep a stable 30 fps with 12 cars on screen in a hectic storm, then.
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Given that torrential rain, storms, blizzards, quickly changing lighting (60x sped up dynamic time of day and weather), lightning, massive pile ups and everything else, don't lend to even a single frame drop, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a lot more overhead than just 5-15fps.
Liquidsnake
Banned
I guess Im the only one that wished we had DC graphics with FM6 mechanics. And I would not care if it was 30 fps. I don't care too much about that as it stands.
Hell Id take 25 fps if it blew my mind graphically.
Hell Id take 25 fps if it blew my mind graphically.
Aceofspades
Banned
Plus a dynamic day/night cycle.