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BGBW · Nov 25, 2015

The worst thing is people asking for YouTube videos to be turned into gifs. You have the video right there, you've literally just watched it. Why oh why are you being so stupid? AAAAARGH!

SoulUnison said:
B) Why should I have to miss out on content because one guy or a handful of people have poor internet etiquette,or whatever? He knows he does it, even.
I've seen people bring it up and I've brought it up myself with him and his response is usually "LOL (Even bigger GIF.) Sucks to be you!"

I've had a similar experience with one user (luckily they didn't know how to check gif sizes so their retort gif was actually much smaller lol). Typical "can't believe you're bothered by such things" response.

Übermatik · Nov 25, 2015

OminoMichelin said:
Goddammit, Uber.

Hesemonni said:
I hate that dog in pic threads :/

SoulUnison said:
I honestly have to avoid threads he's in when I'm browsing GAF on mobile.
He's literally cost me money.

SoulUnison said:
You couldn't even go into a thread with Uber and a couple other posters on *desktop.*

Nah, I understand why people have it in for me, but I hope you realise I've stopped linking larger gifv converted gifs from imgur now. I don't see <15mb being a problem though.

I've probably been one of the most vocal members on GAF when requesting webm support. It make so much more sense considering the newer age of mp4/html5 video. Less stress on users, less stress on websites. It would make the Pics thread a whole lot more accessible too, and it's sad to see people boycott that topic because of internet constraints.

soco · Nov 25, 2015

Coreda said:
1) They would all be optional to load, it's one of the main benefits. No user is then forced to encounter a page with stupidly large clips. Any embedded video support can set autoplay to be disabled (the current userscripts/addons already do this and are dead simple code). With it disabled only a static frame is loaded.

2) GAF has already seen the filesizes of user posted WebMs (and some Mp4s) for more than a year now. We know currently the difference in size of both of original content and copypasted clips, and of those Imgur/GfyCat provides with their h.264 encoded versions, not to mention the countless other sites that use it today. It's not a hypothetical at this point.

3) Sound can also be muted by default, as the existing userscripts/addons have demonstrated.

again, you're being incredibly optimistic about how well this would work. sure, at some point the browsers will have optimized for this or the board software will have a simple solution. Of course, sound can be muted, but it requires someone to put in the extra effort to do it, and not all browsers support user scripts. How many of those work on safari on the ipad? What sucks out battery life faster, a page full of gifs or a page full of webm/mp4 videos? How many can you play of each on each device without slowdown?

Yes, of course there's javascript to solve all of this, but the attempt to solve one detail opens up like 30 loopholes of a shitty user experience for a good portion of gaf. Yes, there's workarounds, but until someone hands EL a one-click solution that won't alienate half of gaf, without requiring userscripts, it's unlikely to happen.

Übermatik · Nov 25, 2015

soco said:
again, you're being incredibly optimistic about how well this would work. sure, at some point the browsers will have optimized for this or the board software will have a simple solution. Of course, sound can be muted, but it requires someone to put in the extra effort to do it, and not all browsers support user scripts. How many of those work on safari on the ipad? What sucks out battery life faster, a page full of gifs or a page full of webm/mp4 videos? How many can you play of each on each device without slowdown?

Yes, of course there's javascript to solve all of this, but the attempt to solve one detail opens up like 30 loopholes of a shitty user experience for a good portion of gaf. Yes, there's workarounds, but until someone hands EL a one-click solution that won't alienate half of gaf, without requiring userscripts, it's unlikely to happen.

Create a filter that inhibits webms from any other site but imgur. Bam, done.
For the uninformed, imgur doesn't support audio in their webm's/gifv's. Majority of moving images come from imgur anyway, and if not, upload it for free.

Cuts out all the user script crap mentioned above.

Joyful · Nov 25, 2015

Avixph said:
Some of you peeps should get faster internet.

its more of a data cap issue
esp on mobile
webm compresses video vs gifs by like 90% or something ridiculous

BGBW · Nov 25, 2015

Avixph said:
Some of you peeps should get faster internet.

It's not about Internet speed. It's about bloated images using a format not designed for large file sizes.

Somnid · Nov 26, 2015

soco said:
again, you're being incredibly optimistic about how well this would work. sure, at some point the browsers will have optimized for this or the board software will have a simple solution. Of course, sound can be muted, but it requires someone to put in the extra effort to do it, and not all browsers support user scripts. How many of those work on safari on the ipad? What sucks out battery life faster, a page full of gifs or a page full of webm/mp4 videos? How many can you play of each on each device without slowdown?

Yes, of course there's javascript to solve all of this, but the attempt to solve one detail opens up like 30 loopholes of a shitty user experience for a good portion of gaf. Yes, there's workarounds, but until someone hands EL a one-click solution that won't alienate half of gaf, without requiring userscripts, it's unlikely to happen.

Easy, just generate:

Code:

<video muted autoplay>
  <source src="https://coolmemesite.com/catz.webm" type="video/webm">
  <source src="https://coolmemesite.com/catz.mp4" type="video/mp4">
  <img src="https://coolmemesite.com/catz.gif" alt="cat gif" >
</video>

soco · Nov 26, 2015

Übermatik;186806927 said:
Create a filter that inhibits webms from any other site but imgur. Bam, done.
For the uninformed, imgur doesn't support audio in their webm's/gifv's. Majority of moving images come from imgur anyway, and if not, upload it for free.

Cuts out all the user script crap mentioned above.

Again, my point, since it doesn't seem to be clear, is that this isn't a technical limitation. This could have been solved at least 3 years ago -- easily. The problem is one of effort. Who is going to make all of these one-off fixes and scripts for the site, that doesn't require tying everyone to imgur, special casing it, or requiring user scripts.

Übermatik · Nov 26, 2015

soco said:
Again, my point, since it doesn't seem to be clear, is that this isn't a technical limitation. This could have been solved at least 3 years ago -- easily. The problem is one of effort. Who is going to make all of these one-off fixes and scripts for the site, that doesn't require tying everyone to imgur, special casing it, or requiring user scripts.

Er... Why is this even a question. The site builders. Stump, Gromph, whatever. People on GAF could do this for them fit they're stripped for time. And you just turned a question apparently not concerned with 'technical limitation' into one of technical limitation:

scripts for the site[/B], that doesn't require tying everyone to imgur, special casing it, or requiring user scripts.

It needn't be this complicated. Implement webm support from imgur only.

liliththepale · Nov 26, 2015

WebM is an objectively superior format, but there's nothing intrinsically wrong with large GIFs. For the life of me, I can't fathom someone with such a data starved budget using it on something so frivolous as a web forum. Especially not the funny pics thread.

Uber, please feel free to keep posting enormous GIFs that only take a few short seconds for my privileged Internet connection to fetch.

GifGafIsTheBestGaf · Nov 26, 2015

Somnid said:
I made a gifv embed extension a while ago: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/neogaf-gifv/hddjdojoignihijmebpdgpadefnejmcl

I think it still works with imgur though I haven't looked at it in a while.

it didnt work or maybe im doing something wrong

FLAguy954 · Nov 26, 2015

Popstar said:
Here's some help for stuff hosted by gfycat (if you're using Chrome)
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/neogfy/chdcldnkcjgoogmnidgcpmdkdaopepgf

I've been using this for months and it is awesome. Unfortunately, there are some gifs out there that refuse to convert :/.

FoxSpirit · Nov 26, 2015

Seriously, is everybody so data starved?
I mean, on my phone I don't browse image threads because they are killers always anyways.

And at home? I couldn't care less, as long as the host is fast. I have no clue of my data usage but so far, my ISP hasn't even bat an eye over 100GB+ if it happends.

Popstar · Nov 26, 2015

FLAguy954 said:
I've been using this for months and it is awesome. Unfortunately, there are some gifs out there that refuse to convert :/.

PM me a link to the post (include the post #) with the gif and I'll take a look and see if I can fix it.

FyreWulff · Nov 26, 2015

FoxSpirit said:
Seriously, is everybody so data starved?
I mean, on my phone I don't browse image threads because they are killers always anyways.

And at home? I couldn't care less, as long as the host is fast. I have no clue of my data usage but so far, my ISP hasn't even bat an eye over 100GB+ if it happends.

GIFs are both data and processing hogs.

The best description of a gif is that it's trying to flip one of those flipbooks as fast as you can. Brute force image animation. Video formats have a whole host of tricks to update as little of the view as possible, saving processing power (and battery).

It's the reason most systems, even new ones, will choke on giant GIFS but blast out a 1080p youtube video without sweating.

Seth Enosh · Nov 26, 2015

FoxSpirit said:
Seriously, is everybody so data starved?
I mean, on my phone I don't browse image threads because they are killers always anyways.

And at home? I couldn't care less, as long as the host is fast. I have no clue of my data usage but so far, my ISP hasn't even bat an eye over 100GB+ if it happends.

Less a question of image threads than of normal threads that happen to have GiFs. I disable them in the preferences here but some do slip through and display anyway and even a few large GIFs can wreck a mobile data cap of 1 or 2 GB a month.

I wish that chrome or safari on iOS could automatically stop loading any image larger than 1MB or something. It seems like an obvious feature but none of the major mobile browsers except I.E. on Wp8 have the ability to even simply disable all images for some reason.

hateradio · Nov 26, 2015

I added WebM/HTML5 video support in YouTube Me Again!, but I haven't really seen much use compared to YouTube videos.

They simply aren't as frequently posted.

FoxSpirit said:
Seriously, is everybody so data starved?
I mean, on my phone I don't browse image threads because they are killers always anyways.

And at home? I couldn't care less, as long as the host is fast. I have no clue of my data usage but so far, my ISP hasn't even bat an eye over 100GB+ if it happends.

It's not about data, but using a dumb format that's outliving its use.

Plus, they usually take longer to load since they are so bloated.

1 minute of video can be 10 times as small as 10 seconds of a GIF.

FoxSpirit · Nov 26, 2015

FyreWulff said:
GIFs are both data and processing hogs.

The best description of a gif is that it's trying to flip one of those flipbooks as fast as you can. Brute force image animation. Video formats have a whole host of tricks to update as little of the view as possible, saving processing power (and battery).

It's the reason most systems, even new ones, will choke on giant GIFS but blast out a 1080p youtube video without sweating.

An animated gif is not THAT bad. In fact, flipping a mostly uncompressed image is the fastest way in regards to CPU load but the worst in filesize.
I hear that is why the webm test was halted, webms are small and look great but have high CPU utilisation. And when 20 are playing back at the same time... yeah. I heard people's comps developed heat problems?

As a short test, I loaded the 170MB gif link on my phone. Okay, completely chokes Opera but runs fine in the image viewer no problem.

I understand that even on tablets such huge gifs are a problem but at a standalone, it's more of a bandwidth thing IMHO.

liliththepale · Nov 26, 2015

FoxSpirit said:
An animated gif is not THAT bad. In fact, flipping a mostly uncompressed image is the fastest way in regards to CPU load but the worst in filesize.
I hear that is why the webm test was halted, webms are small and look great but have high CPU utilisation. And when 20 are playing back at the same time... yeah. I heard people's comps developed heat problems?

As a short test, I loaded the 170MB gif link on my phone. Okay, completely chokes Opera but runs fine in the image viewer no problem.

I understand that even on tablets such huge gifs are a problem but at a standalone, it's more of a bandwidth thing IMHO.

You're mostly right about that. Moving, stretching, recoloring and decoding pixel blocks in video is more intensive than simply reading out uncompressed data, and it's all getting repainted at the same pacing anyway (assuming the coded frame rates are equal). What you're not accounting for is the hardware acceleration available for mp4 video on most platforms, so it balances out the difference. WebM doesn't benefit from that, but .gifv and YouTube do.

Coreda · Nov 26, 2015

ElTorro said:
Why would anyone want to use the format that reaches less people with no added benefits?

whynotboth.mp4

For Imgur the WebM version is half the size of the Mp4, for one. On the whole Mp4/h.264 is the better CPU optimized format for mobile so a choice would be useful since neither would be set to autoload by default.

liliththepale said:
You're mostly right about that.

Nice avy update

Somnid · Nov 26, 2015

GifGafIsTheBestGaf said:
it didnt work or maybe im doing something wrong

No, I don't doubt it broke, I made that the first day they announced gifv. I'll have to look into it.

BGBW · Nov 26, 2015

liliththepale said:
there's nothing intrinsically wrong with large GIFs.

Yes there is. They can be a performance killer. Especially when people post them back to back which is common with quoting and those who feel the need to convert a game trailer into a series of bad gifs.

liliththepale said:
Uber, please feel free to keep posting enormous GIFs that only take a few short seconds for my privileged Internet connection to fetch.

Have no idea why people have this: "well I have no problem with it so therefore we should just punish those who do" attitude.

liliththepale · Nov 26, 2015

BGBW said:
Yes there is. They can be a performance killer. Especially when people post them back to back which is common with quoting and those who feel the need to convert a game trailer into a series of bad gifs.

Everything on your computer kills performance. If it's doing something, it's taking GPU or CPU cycles. That's not a salient argument.

BGBW said:
Have no idea why people have this: "well I have no problem with it so therefore we should just punish those who do" attitude.

Viewing GIFs is a luxury. You're not being punished. We're just not compromising.

BGBW · Nov 26, 2015

liliththepale said:
Everything on your computer kills performance. If it's doing something, it's taking GPU or CPU cycles. That's not a salient argument.

Viewing GIFs is a luxury. You're not being punished. We're just not compromising.

What and what?

SmartBase · Nov 26, 2015

Avixph said:
Some of you peeps should get faster internet.

Can I bill you for the dozen or so kilometres of ditch digging and fibre that's needed for that? Thanks.

FLAguy954 · Nov 27, 2015

Popstar said:
PM me a link to the post (include the post #) with the gif and I'll take a look and see if I can fix it.

It has been a couple of months since I have last seen a gif that haas failed to convert. I'm noticing that some are starting to catch on the gfycat and that I don't have to convert as much.

Marky Mark · Nov 27, 2015

Thanks to this thread I now know I can disable gifs. Also, surprised there wasn't a "this is how" post accompanied by a 150m gif on the first page.

Servizio · Nov 27, 2015

NeoGAF, welcome to .webm - the FUTURE (of burning out your CPU)

Am I crazy or did no one mention Andrex's embed add-on for webm on GAF?

Be sure to turn off start on load in the options. Or don't and take the chance on John Cena webms.

Pokemaniac · Nov 28, 2015

Servizio said:
NeoGAF, welcome to .webm - the FUTURE (of burning out your CPU)

Am I crazy or did no one mention Andrex's embed add-on for webm on GAF?

Be sure to turn off start on load in the options. Or don't and take the chance on John Cena webms.

The Firefox version of that extension started behaving really oddly recently.

Servizio · Nov 28, 2015

Pokemaniac said:
The Firefox version of that extension started behaving really oddly recently.

I've switched over to Chrome awhile ago so I can't help you there. If you bump the original thread though, you'll be doing it almost exactly one year to the day of the last post thus earning you necrobump immunity by GAF-law.

Deleted member 231381 · Nov 28, 2015

I would do unmentionable things for the return of the Who Quoted Me button.

The Dutch Slayer · Nov 28, 2015

I lovs them on the desktop means folks have put in the time for awesome

Dinjooh · Nov 28, 2015

Pokemaniac said:
The Firefox version of that extension started behaving really oddly recently.

How so?

Use it across four different computers - seen no change in behaviour.

Ullus · Nov 28, 2015

''Viewing GIFs is a luxury.''
man those 2 sec tumblr gifs sure are luxurious

also, gaf is pretty damn archaic

Pokemaniac · Nov 29, 2015

Dinjooh said:
How so?

Use it across four different computers - seen no change in behaviour.

After a video starts, the tab starts behaving really oddly. The scroll won't reset when going to a new page, etc.

Skux · Nov 29, 2015

Gifs survive because they are so easy to make and distribute. If you want to make a webm you need to know how to edit video.

And as bandwidth becomes more freely available, fewer people care about large gifs.

KDR_11k · Nov 29, 2015

I especially love huge gifs that just show someone saying one sentence. A still image would have worked just the same.

liliththepale · Nov 29, 2015

Ullus said:
''Viewing GIFs is a luxury.''
man those 2 sec tumblr gifs sure are luxurious

also, gaf is pretty damn archaic

Luxuries don't have to be super fancy. I just meant it was something you can very well live without. They enhance your life but don't sustain it.

Here's the second definition for luxury from Dictionary.com: "Free or habitual indulgence in or enjoyment of comforts and pleasures in addition to those necessary for a reasonable standard of well-being."

GIFs are perhaps a modest luxury, but they're a luxury all the same.

Popstar · Nov 29, 2015

I added Imgur support to my NeoGFY Chrome extension.

It now blocks imgur gifs and redirects to loading the "gifv" video instead. First pass so probably a bit buggy. In particular stuff without video generated might not be correct. Like this little gif that I'm putting here to test

Source available on GitHub.

Coreda · Dec 13, 2015

ponpo said:
Going to embed the entire LotR trilogy as a gif one day.

Or in the lead up to VII, and for ~~no good reason~~ LUXURY!, the entire Star Wars original trilogy.

PREVIOUSLY ON THE STAR WARS...

xxracerxx · Dec 13, 2015

Coreda said:

Yuck, the digital editions.

RomanticHeroX · Dec 13, 2015

The real issue is having a huge amount of people who post gifs instead of any meaningful discussion. 90% of gif usage would drop if it were meaningfully discouraged to driveby post a gif rather than engage with anything happening in a thread.

Cannon Goose · Dec 13, 2015

Popstar said:
I added Imgur support to my NeoGFY Chrome extension.

It now blocks imgur gifs and redirects to loading the "gifv" video instead. First pass so probably a bit buggy. In particular stuff without video generated might not be correct. Like this little gif that I'm putting here to test

Source available on GitHub.

This seems to work really well. Thanks!

Popstar · Dec 15, 2015

Cannon Goose said:
This seems to work really well. Thanks!

You're welcome!

I just added support for giphy.com. I'll be updating the webstore with version 1.3 a little later today after I've tested a bit more.

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