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Quantum Break PC performance thread
- Thread starter GroinShooter
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wtf is this blurry mess <_<The IQ on PC seems pretty bad.
Does not look like native 1080p to me, same reconstruction technique used on Xbox One ?
And why would they use the same disturbing reconstruction technique as on console... atleast make it an option.
Also 70 Euro. lmao.
WTF so even downsampling won't make it render a native res image? Really? So basically they are forcing upscaling on all resolutions. How the hell dues that make any sense?
But why would you lock in some bizarre image reconstruction in a PC game? Why not make it a toggle or something like anything else that would effect image quality?
The artifacts that the temporal output produces on the Xbox is often visible when characters walk across a static camera. I don't see why it would be any less obvious to the hardcore 4K trained eyes of Neogaf's PC owners
plagiarize
Banned
edit: *slaps forehead* DSR screenshots are of the pre downscaled image. I knew this and forgot. never mind.
Thanks for putting me straight on this Dictator.
Thanks for putting me straight on this Dictator.
given the consistency with which we're seeing UWP port issues i think it's reasonable to speculate that microsoft's tools might hold at least some of the blame
maybe it's possible to make a totally competent and feature complete UWP game but the fact that we haven't seen it so far with anything that's got a bigger scope than angry birds should give us all pause
Right. Well, that's a lot of money gone into upgrading the graphics card then! Hopefully that'll do for a few years...
Their rendering pipeline might be built around the whole thing... but then again there should have been an option to adjust the internal rendering resolution in addition to the option of adjusting the final resolution.
If you have an iOS or Android device, you can install the MSI Afterburner Remote Server, install the app on your device then monitor everything you would normally see in RTSS on your phone/tablet. Works pretty well.
That's not 1440p native.
We should be able to hit locked 30 by turning down some settings, turning off AA and AO.
I will play around later when I get back home.. that may be the way to go.
cyberheater
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What a pity. I think I'll avoid this. I was really looking forward to this.
I'm very unimpressed with this UWP initiative.
I'm very unimpressed with this UWP initiative.
GHG
Member
When you do please post some screens with everything maxed but with AA off.
Dictator93
Member
DSR's downsampling filter (the gaussian smoothing) does not apply to screenshots taken with it. Rather, it just outputs the native resolution.
All my downsampled screenshots are always just at the native resolution without any of the filtering on them.
IcyRhythms
Member
I'm having trouble understanding. If I had the game(which I won't unless I can get it someday after it's been patches many times and it won't cost me more than $10)and set it to 1080p, it's not actually 1080p?
Yeah it's a lower res upscaled the same way the XBONE version is.
plagiarize
Banned
You've got a couple of things happening. You've got UWA's actual issues like no SLI support. No injection based mods. No disabling vsync. Etc. Then you've got developers getting to grips with a whole new API in DX12 in most cases, which is also going to compound things. In this case you've got an engine designed for consoles that's being doing this reconstruction thing for ages being ported to PC.
I don't know their engine, so I don't know how easy it is to give players the choice of disabling it, but adding a toggle to remove a graphical effect isn't something UWA is going to get in the way of.
If this game supported some of DX12s multi gpu options, then I'd be pretty happy with it. My 3 980s would likely allow me to DSR and the game would look fantastic. But it doesn't... and so we're stuck with whatever options the developers decide to give us, as they try to get to grips with UWAs and a new API.
Hopefully some of this gets resolved. I do not find it encouraging that none of the MS published UWAs are using any of DX12s multi gpu things though yet that I am aware of, unless Forza Apex does.
Ah, yeah. Ignore all that then. Thanks for reminding me. I'll edit my post.
If they built the game from the ground up with it...it may take one heck of an effort to "fix". This looks like a true exclusive that was a straight port later on.
Now I'm just curious as to how it runs on my PC. I'll download it ASAP. Glad I can play it fine on my X1, the game is excellent. Shame people are struggling with it.
I'll report in once I test drive on PC.
I don't think much of this has to do with UWP.
I can play KI at 4k and 60fps+. I can also exit that game on the main menu. Nothing to do with UWP.
The Janitor
Member
There's shadow options in the menu, no doubt they go higher than Xbox.
Also this was probably rushed out too soon by MS, I would wait for patches before touching this.
"Poor dev work" happens with Win32 games as well, yet those are fixable by endusers!
Please don't ignore the fact that simply being a UWP app introduces severe technical restrictions not found with Win32.
OnionPowder
Member
At launch at least (don't know if it's better now), the game logic was tied to your monitors refresh rate so you had to change it every time you booted up the game and people with 30hz monitors were SOL
No. It's reconstructed 1080p, internal 720p or thereabout.
Granted, the issue at hand here is IQ, and we have no idea if that has anything to do with UWP. My guess is that it the two aren't related.
Not saying that UWP isn't bad
Dictator93
Member
I guess it depends on how much MSAA is being used, but if I think about it right... something like 1620p would look like a really nice 1920X1080... with much better geometric edges than most games.
Yeah, np.
I know what you mean btw though with the downsampling filter in DSR. Unless it is a direct pixel line up (4 to 1 for example), you can get weird looking chunkieness or sharpness... especially if you set the smooothness below the default 33% value.
LordRaptor
Member
I can't speak with authority on how their engine works, but it seems counter intuitive to me that any manipulation of a source resolution frame buffer is less effort than directly rendering at a specified resolution.
plagiarize
Banned
Remedy are on the hook for the state the game is currently in. UWA is to blame for us being stuck without other options. Complaining about UWAs preventing injectors etc needs to continue until Microsoft fix it...
but in the meantime I want the fire held to Remedy's feet so they understand that *they* need to fix this. I mean, I'm hopeful they will because they added a lot of big improvements to the Alan Wake PC port after the initial release, but even if Durante could fix this... he shouldn't have to. As great as it is that someone else can save the day normally, fixing the game is still something Remedy should be expected to do.
KINGofCRA5H
Member
I've read through the last few pages but I haven't been able to figure it out, what is UWP you guys keep mentioning?
I really should be going to work
DSR 2.25X to 4K, 0% smoothness - Maxed out NO AA
locked to 30 was very playable but again, in-doors scene not much happening.
DSR 4K AA OFF
https://www.ezphotoshare.com/images/...4/05/AUFLC.png
https://www.ezphotoshare.com/images/...4/05/AUGVc.png
IcyRhythms
Member
Is the "reconstructed 1080p" something that can be fixed? I'm assuming no because it's been hard coded into the engine/rendering tech? The IQ in some of these shots is piss poor.
plagiarize
Banned
This had nothing to do with UWA though. Again the only UWA related issue was that a third party couldn't fix it and that any patch from the devs would take a little longer because it has to go through certification. The issue was entirely poor testing from the devs, and a bug they caused. Nothing about UWA caused the problem.
Älg;200215186 said:
Oh I definitely wasn't alleging it has anything to do with UWP, but so far UWP has been a hot mess and this isn't helping, which I can only cheer about. While it's a shame this port is pretty measly from the sounds of things, if it helps drive more people away from UWP exclusives, then good.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Microsoft, the only reason I pre-ordered digitally was to get the W10 version. The key better be on its way today.
GHG
Member
I really should be going to work
DSR 2.25X to 4K, 0% smoothness - Maxed out NO AA
locked to 30 was very playable but again, in-doors scene not much happening.
http://s156232.gridserver.com/u/Screenshot_12.png
http://s156232.gridserver.com/u/Screenshot_13.png
http://s156232.gridserver.com/u/Screenshot_14.png
http://s156232.gridserver.com/u/Screenshot_15.png
http://s156232.gridserver.com/u/Screenshot_16.png
Damn it. Looks like the internal resolution is not locked to the AA option.
Thanks for doing this.
Yes it should be able to be fixed. If not by them then by mods. But UWP doesn't allow mods so unless they fix it we are SOL.
No doubt as this would mean native 1080p, but what about performance ? What is baffling is that it seems to be very unstable in its current form even at upscaled 1080p.
SmartWaffles
Member
Can I expect to run it at 1440p DSR (to 1080p) at 30fps with an OCed 4790K and OCed 970?
First impressions with 6700k@4.6, 980Ti STRIX, 16G DDR4/2400.
First impressions are not good. I am standing where the gameplay starts.
-Using fullscreen with 1440p is a slideshow, with GPU usage jumping between 100% and 10% wildly. There's is obviously something very wrong here, it's not a matter of performance.
-It's better if I either
a) Disable fullscreen - who wants to play with window border...
b) Lower the resolution to 1080p, in which I'm looking at around 60% GPU usage in the staring scene. I'd love to tell you what FPS I'm getting, but even running Afterburner on my second monitor doesn't show fps. UWP to thank, I suppose.
c) Limit to 30fps. Then it runs fine... for 30 fps.
-Game is REALLY VRAM hungry. Up to 5 gigs used instant in 1440p, 4 gigs at 1080p.
-Really hard to say anything about IQ between 1080p and 1440p, since 1440p is such a slideshow. With all the blur effects etc going on, it's hard to pay attention to details if the framerate isn't high enough.
Since I've seen people post about using 1440p and not having this severe slideshow issue (I am talking about 2-3 fps), I'd welcome any ideas on what might be wrong at my end. Going to try disabling my second monitor now.
First impressions are not good. I am standing where the gameplay starts.
-Using fullscreen with 1440p is a slideshow, with GPU usage jumping between 100% and 10% wildly. There's is obviously something very wrong here, it's not a matter of performance.
-It's better if I either
a) Disable fullscreen - who wants to play with window border...
b) Lower the resolution to 1080p, in which I'm looking at around 60% GPU usage in the staring scene. I'd love to tell you what FPS I'm getting, but even running Afterburner on my second monitor doesn't show fps. UWP to thank, I suppose.
c) Limit to 30fps. Then it runs fine... for 30 fps.
-Game is REALLY VRAM hungry. Up to 5 gigs used instant in 1440p, 4 gigs at 1080p.
-Really hard to say anything about IQ between 1080p and 1440p, since 1440p is such a slideshow. With all the blur effects etc going on, it's hard to pay attention to details if the framerate isn't high enough.
Since I've seen people post about using 1440p and not having this severe slideshow issue (I am talking about 2-3 fps), I'd welcome any ideas on what might be wrong at my end. Going to try disabling my second monitor now.
Dictator93
Member
Thx for these. Still reconstructed with AA set to off. This is some internal option not exposed to the user.I really should be going to work
DSR 2.25X to 4K, 0% smoothness - Maxed out NO AA
locked to 30 was very playable but again, in-doors scene not much happening.
http://s156232.gridserver.com/u/Screenshot_12.png
http://s156232.gridserver.com/u/Screenshot_13.png
http://s156232.gridserver.com/u/Screenshot_14.png
http://s156232.gridserver.com/u/Screenshot_15.png
http://s156232.gridserver.com/u/Screenshot_16.png
In fact, AA set to off elminiates the blur that makes seeing it that much harder.... here it is very obvious though.
Dreathlock
Member
That makes sense.
sertopico
Member
Thx.
Yes, in order to play at 4k you need to find the right compromise, I am also currently downloading now but it will be over in 6 hrs, maybe more (reached almost 10 GB in 2 hrs and downloading at 1.5MB/s). As soon as it finishes I will give my impressions, if anybody's interested of course.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Älg;200215186 said:
If it wasn't using UWP though, we could presumably use something like DeGaSaTo to raise the internal resolution, right?
Alethebeer
Member
Since i'm in the 770 2gb club (sigh) and i don't want to upgrade until Pascal, do you think i should not buy the game? I am not a graphic maniac, all i want is to play the game in an acceptable way (no eye-bleeding inducing textures, no stutter).
I am really hyped and i don't mind the (ridiculous) price tag.
I am really hyped and i don't mind the (ridiculous) price tag.
plagiarize
Banned
Sounds like you might be running into VRAM limits at 1440p. What happens if you drop textures to medium?
Right. That's what people are doing with DSR, essentially so there is still an option. But it's possible an injector could do something a bit less brute force.
Hopefully you can get a refund. This is unacceptable performance especially considering this is not native 1080p or 1440p.
SmartWaffles
Member
I don't remotely believe they want to anything with this mess.
Dictator93
Member
Yeah, it is baffling. I have no idea what is with the performance. Perhaps the MSAA step in all of this is really expensive.