Oh sorry. What I was saying is, what stops scum from hitting cops who had a right answer twice in a row? There has to be a low chance for that among peekers.
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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload
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AbsolutBro
Member
I am super late to the party but we are not seriously discussing a mass role/name claim on day 1 are we?
aaaaaaaaaaaaanyway, I will skip my usual "welcome new people" post because while some of you are new to me I have no idea if you are new to mafia. Most of you I have played at least one game with.
My most active posting days will be Wednesday/Thursdays, probably Tuesdays as well.
aaaaaaaaaaaaanyway, I will skip my usual "welcome new people" post because while some of you are new to me I have no idea if you are new to mafia. Most of you I have played at least one game with.
My most active posting days will be Wednesday/Thursdays, probably Tuesdays as well.
... wishful thinking is your reason for voting for someone? Not the possibility of them being scum? :\
Xamtheking
Member
If I'm working from the assumption there is no cop then the suggestion of a plan that relies on one is potentially scummy behavior. Is it a strong case? Absolutely not, but here we are on day 1 again.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
that...
is a very good point.
at that point not much is stopping them, and the cops days will be numbered.
with peeking we are basically betting on the cops early results being useful enough to justify putting them at more risk later.
melonrabbit
Member
What? I don't know how to respond to this.
Man, the mere suggestion of peeking gets very interesting reactions from people.
Sometimes more telling than using peeking itself.
Strong case? I'd argue that's actually almost fluffy in it's reasoning. :\
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I still don't understand this whole peeking business. I'm not for or against it, I'm just confused af
Nothing wrong with peeking dead players.
I just feel it's much better than hoping cop stays alive and claims all peeks or does a really good job with breadcrumbs.
The zero cop angle is kinda interesting. I don't see any real issues with peeking when there's no cop, but it could complicate things a bit if people start pretending to town read their peeks.
Nice, got a read list from you.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
we gain the certainty of knowing the cops results, no chance of them dying unexpectedly and leaving us in the dark.
and it doesnt get complicated at all, its just one line from every player each day, and its then back to business.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
no kidding, i feel like iv actually got a handle on day 1 for once thanks to this.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Also I'm against a mass claim, for the record. Mostly because while it does give us an idea as to the power abilities, it also gives scum an advantage because they know exactly who's who and will put targets on the most powerful.
Perhaps later in the game it would be wiser, when it becomes more of a necessity.
Perhaps later in the game it would be wiser, when it becomes more of a necessity.
The basic idea is that every player makes a fake "peek" result on someone who they consider townie, and that the cop (if they exist) hides real results among them. That way, if a cop flips, we suddenly have at least one town confirmed townie out of it. Ideally, more.
The drawback is that, if enough people don't do it, and the results aren't varied enough, it can give scum some information. Hence why it's important for people to be on the same page regarding it.
The one time it was used in Mini Mafia I don't recall it really having a significant impact on the game, but that game also ended really fast in town's favor so...
melonrabbit
Member
Controversy everytime.
melonrabbit
Member
My exact expression.
The Cop died on N1...
Minimafia was quite cop heavy IIRC with most setups having a cop and some having multiple.
Oh right. I forgot about that. >_>;
I'm having a slow and antagonizing day, don't mind me.
melonrabbit
Member
Yes. And part of that scum team. Being anti-peeking really sunk us.
TheGoddamn
Member
Mercy, reporting for duty
That's the last time I'll use that; it just makes me so happy!
Here's hoping that this game will be as fun as Archer. For what it's worth, my actual character's ability fits well with the Overwatch character. The role isn't too Sorian-y, either.
And as for mass claims, at first I was like
But then I thought, "Why not?" It's a role madness game. Even if scum have decent covers, a mass claim allows us to strategize and gives us a basis for each other's actions for the coming days. Someone will get caught up in a lie eventually.
That's the last time I'll use that; it just makes me so happy!
I'm not Mercy
And as for mass claims, at first I was like
But then I thought, "Why not?" It's a role madness game. Even if scum have decent covers, a mass claim allows us to strategize and gives us a basis for each other's actions for the coming days. Someone will get caught up in a lie eventually.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
im agreed with this.
hope yall dont mind be being a big fat hypocrite for a sec.
i get the impression that knowing a players hero will help scum much more than town.
if i was scum, i know i would be looking to kill some specific heroes early.
mercy for example. everyone seems to be agreed that the roles ability fits with that character, so i cant imagine mercy not being some kind of doctor power.
melonrabbit
Member
I'd prefer mass claim later in the game.
You are assuming that there is a cop. We don't know that. If there is no cop all of that is in vain.
Maybe I don't undertand it very well. Everyone claim someone is town? Because if you could claim either town or scum it can give scum a chance to threw town off. If I say someone is scum (lying) and I get killed during the night phase my target would be the main suspect of the next night phase, because town will suspect that I got killed because I'm the cop or got to close of find scum.
melonrabbit
Member
But you flip would tell if you'd bluffed or not. Why as town would you lie about that?
EzekelRAGE
Member
From looking over how the strat works, I think the peekign thing is a good idea. We should agree on a deadline to have everyone post their peeks by. like 12hrs before the day ends or something.
It would seem better than riskin the cop trying breadcrumb a read in a post and having scum pick it up.
It would seem better than riskin the cop trying breadcrumb a read in a post and having scum pick it up.
TheGoddamn
Member
While this is true, we don't have to reveal everything during a mass claim. It'll also let town PRs (which is most of us) will also know who to protect/target.
Admittedly I'm also interested in seeing how that plays out, because the idea of a mass claim is always floated, but I don't think it's ever happened before.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I will think about this peeking business in the 3h I have left of work
This is a role madness game with 22 players, why wouldn't there be a cop?
melonrabbit
Member
What info are we revealing?
Also, Sorian said the scum team was random so what factors would PRs use to determine who to protect and target.
melonrabbit
Member
5 hours into the game and we have two people -saying (likely) there isn't a cop?
Huh.
Huh.
If I'm not a cop and say that someone else is either town or scum I'm lying. Maybe I expressed myself wrong.
I will try to clarify what I said before: Ouro (just an example, it can be anyone) says that you are scum (You are not and he doesn't really know as he's not a cop), if I were scum I know you are not scum so I would just kill Ouro during the next night phase and make you the suspect for the next day phase.
AbsolutBro
Member
I agree it "makes sense" for Mercy to be a doctor, but I also kind of get the feeling that may be exactly why Sorian would not go that route: it's waaaaay too obvious at that point. Not to mention Ana is also a healer (of sorts), as is Lucian or any of the other supports.
I'm rambling.
melonrabbit
Member
But you wouldn't.
We only give town peeks. Obviously if the cop hits scum they should claim asap.
I don't know, the only ones that know are sorian and the actual cop (if he exist). But there is no evidence that he exist. Maybe we don't have a cop but we have someone who can get the roles but not the aligments, maybe he gets the roles of the people who target him, etc. We don't know much.
I never played Overwatch. Is there a cop, detective or something like that in the roster?
Nothing explicit, but like you could frame Widowmaker, Soldier 76, or Hanzo, or whatever as a cop due to abilities. There's enough choices tho that you'd effectively guessing.
This is why I didn't understand how it worked:
If everyone claim town it make more sense.
melonrabbit
Member
Ty just means your post would look like this:
Good morning, everyone.
I peeked on Sorian last night and he was town.
melonrabbit
Member
I will need to read Overwatch lore because I think the roles and the roster are related. I just googled my character and his name and my role are related.
melonrabbit
Member
Xamtheking
Member
I don't think Sorian is gonna go that batshit insane
At worst, someone will be a 1-shot bulletproof ascetic serial killer cop
At worst, someone will be a 1-shot bulletproof ascetic serial killer cop
Outside of the Cop weirdness, not much. Burb and Ouro are being pretty agressive, but that's how they tend to play from what I've seen.
AbsolutBro
Member
What? No they absolutely should not. Trading the cop for 1 scum is not a great trade for town. Better the town drops hints, lobbies and tries to clear more town/find more scum.
I mean, if D6 the cop has found all 5 scum then yeah, sure. But that's so insanely unlikely as to not really be worth my having just mentioned it.
Xamtheking
Member
Well, Town has a lot more agency than normal, with everyone being a PR
melonrabbit
Member
How many scum on average does a cop get per game?