Not very many, from my experience, but I believe what AB is saying is that town results are good too. A cop who claims on D2 only gives us one scum if they claim the moment they find them. On the other hand, if they feel they can survive longer, they should try to do so to get more results in general.
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Not very many, from my experience, but I believe what AB is saying is that town results are good too. A cop who claims on D2 only gives us one scum if they claim the moment they find them. On the other hand, if they feel they can survive longer, they should try to do so to get more results in general.
AbsolutBro
Member
True, but don't forget that every scum also has a power. There is no "ordinary scum" in this game.
From my experience as a cop in DR? None. One at most from what I've seen in other games. But how many they get is not important. Clearing town players is just as important as catching scum players since it narrows down the pool of potential scum. My death in DR cleared three players out of a very small pool. Town still lost, but that was down to Mazre wanting a solo neutral victory and town not catching on.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
in this kind of instance, i think its just ju to the cops own best judgement whether or not they should come forward with thier results or keep it under wraps and keep investigating.
If a cop keep his investigation under wraps why do we even do the peek? It could be even worse as we would have false confirmations of town from the scums that the cop didn't reveal.
So that if the cop dies before revealing his results, we can look back and see who he checked. Instead of the cop taking all his results to the grave.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
well the peeking is only intended to help with town results,
but the part about the cop having to false peek in order hide thier scum result, thats something i did not think of.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
hey man, if you got a compelling target im all ears
I understand that but I'm talking about this:
If the cop finds a scum the first night and he chooses to keep it to himself so he doesn't reveal his role early in the game and he get killed the second night before roleclaiming all that we would have is a false positive for a true scum. It will lead to an almost certain town defeat as the only confirmed town will be scum. If we go for the peek route the cop should roleclaim as soon as he finds a scum. If he doesn't it could do a lot of damage.
I got a decent-ish town vibe on Stanley right now, but it's mostly gut reaction.
Uhh....
*rereads*
If the cop dies with scum results, then... how's that any different than normal?
Not sure how you got the false positive and "certain town defeat"
With what StanleyPalmtree said the cop would keep his results for himself so in the example he would claim a scum is town the second day phase (so he doesn't reveal himself and get to investigate more people) and when he dies the second night phase all that we get from his investigation is one confirmation of town, who really is a scum. So if the scum is clever he could be safe thought all the game that we would know.
If we are doing the peek the cop NEEDS to come clean as soon as he find a scum, even in his second day. And I don't like this idea.
melonrabbit
Member
My mistake. That's what I meant.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
he means if peeeeking is happening, but the cop hits scum, and chooses to keep that to himself instead of fully revealing himself.
in this situation he would have to fake a peek of either a random target, or the scum he just found.
if the cop does that, and then dies before telling us, it would cause some serious troubles.
Hmm... interesting. To be honest, that's actually the most compelling argument I've seen against it. So at that point going through with it basically boils down to "Do you feel 1 cop for 1 scum is a fair trade?"
I like people who question the norm.
I do. Given that it's role madness it stands to reason that there are probably other investigative roles out there (tracker, etc.).
melonrabbit
Member
Why Marze who has kinda disappeared after being called out over Franconp who's been doing a decent job arguing their point and not just citing "wishful thinking"?
I like Fran too.
I like you too Ouro.
melonrabbit
Member
Fair enough.
Xamtheking
Member
You haven't seen the giant post I made D2 of Phoenix Wright
Shit was so dumb
You also pulled the fire alarm on a dare
melonrabbit
Member
Night-night.
I'll check back before work tomorrow. Happy we got a mini dicussion going even if the topic wasn't favored by all.
I'll check back before work tomorrow. Happy we got a mini dicussion going even if the topic wasn't favored by all.
Xamtheking
Member
Yeah but I was given that as a role pm
in PW i was stupid because i wanted to be
I'm going to sleep so I will just say that if we have to vote right now I would vote Barrylocke: he has only 3 post so far (Blargonaut or Sawneeks has the same amount and they aren't even playing) and all of them are just small talk. We don't have an opinion or anything from him. Hope he step up his game tomorrow.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Think it can be solved by having us peek a scum as well. So it would go like this
Peek Town Read - Blah
Peek Scum Read - Blah Blah
Those would be the only posts in a peek post. To give further safety to the cop we also don't question anything about the peek reads.
Well we're up to Xavius Normal. I thought I could pull my weight as Frost mage but even itemizing the fuck out of Crit/Haste I'm still pulling abysmal numbers given my gear.
Sorian buff my class plz.
EzekelRAGE
Member
What I meant by the above is, those two lines would be the only one in a peek post.
We don't question the peek post because it could possibly just lead to outing the cop.
Example peek post would be:
No one questions why you chose those two and you can just refer back to the posts as you get flips.
The problem with this is that when the cop dies we have no way of knowing WHICH of the two peeks is the correct one.
And if scum is smart they'll leave the people alive in those posts so that the only way we figure it out is by wasting a lynch(es).
EzekelRAGE
Member
True........hmmmmm. Back to the drawing board in that one.
Xamtheking
Member
that's a fairly big assumption
I agree, but with Burb on their team they may have a shot.
Xamtheking
Member
Nah, they need a Splinter
Burb is smart but not that smart
Xamtheking
Member
Alright, back to actual discussion, could I get a top 5 town list from you and/or a top 5 scum list if anything has changed since you made your initial list
Wow, harsh. You couldn't use me as the town example?
But yeah, Ouro already said what's wrong with that.
Also Hi Ezekel. How do you feel about everything so far?
Top 5 scum is still the same:
You
Verelios
Ty4on
Barrylocke
Burbeting
Splinter**** (it could always be Splinter)
Don't have a town list atm.
Xamtheking
Member
Alright
A little bit earlier, you said you were Tracer and a Tracker (isn't Sorian so clever)
Was that a joke or an actual claim
I'm not entirely sure
Xamtheking
Member
How much do you think I need to pay Sorian for him to knock me unconscious
EzekelRAGE
Member
Wow, harsh. You couldn't use me as the town example?
But yeah, Ouro already said what's wrong with that.
Also Hi Ezekel. How do you feel about everything so far?
Day 1, always slow, always ppl just throwing stuff out. I'm rarely ever good in day ones.
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So our only problem with the peeking method is if scum is found correct?
I think we still do the peeking method and rely on our cop to handle it himself if he finds scum (w/o claiming of course).
$3.50
EzekelRAGE
Member
Scratch that, peek every other day phase and allow ppl to have up to two?
Those two can involve a town peek or scum peek.
That should be safe for him and allow a cover if he hits scum one night, then town the following night.
Those two can involve a town peek or scum peek.
That should be safe for him and allow a cover if he hits scum one night, then town the following night.