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Final Fantasy XV - Review Thread [Second wave of reviews coming in]
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BRocknRolla
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It sounds like perhaps there's more wrapped up here than I was trying to get at. I'm not trying to make anyone mad, and my apologies if this all came off as aggressive in the context of your other conversations. Though I may not have been part of it from the beginning, I was merely offering my perspective on the validity of the approach. Didn't mean to make anything seem personal or overly argumentative. In a lot of ways, these are the same old debates we've been having about meta-critic stuff for years.
The difference between us seems to be that you feel like you can justifiably cut things from the top and the bottom unless there's evidence that we should keep them; I'm saying we need to keep them unless there's evidence that they should be cut. I think your perspective offers a lot of value when someone is trying to assess the value of a title in their personal opinion, for example, when making a buying decision, while I feel my approach is a better approach for a broad audience looking for a general consensus view, more of an academic perspective. But we can agree to disagree on that. Regardless, I see no reason to disregard you as a poster for that, and I'm not trying to come after you.
So, let's shake hands and amicably drop it? I don't have enough emotional or intellectual energy invested in the topic that I'd want to anyone to get upset enough to block me for it. That would be way beyond whatever was intended from me here.
JuanLatino
Member
taking over the project of someone else - make a new but still maintaining core elements of Versus (which restricted his creativity and fredoom), working with an unfinished engine, forced to bring out the game by 2016 & therefore cutting out certain things.
after all that mess still getting out a solid game - i would say tabata did a good job and i would also like to see him working on another AAA Game with better circumstances
I played the free beta when it first came to PS4. I'd love to continue, but sadly I don't have the money nor the time to invest in XIV. It's a shame.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
That's not too bad at all.
Ofcourse FF13 got alot of 8 out of 10s and such aswell, whats gonna matter is the fan impressions are whats really gonna matter in the long run.
Ofcourse FF13 got alot of 8 out of 10s and such aswell, whats gonna matter is the fan impressions are whats really gonna matter in the long run.
ethomaz
Banned
Nothing close to any of them.
Better than The Witcher 3.
Worst than the others you listed.
There is nothing close to FFXV combat. Honestly the closest I could say would maybe be like Arkham Asylum between the parries and warp points but that doesn't really make sense either.
hemo memo
Gold Member
25 Positive reviews is bad?
Ace Harding
Member
Damn just checking the scores. I was not expecting them to be good just based on some stuff I heard on podcasts and such, but I'm now probably going to pick this up to fill the void that opened with the Persona delay.
YankeeDonB
Member
We must gather our rosebuds while we may. Though I'm mostly going to try hard not to be a jerk about it
Deckard Chapel
Banned
I just finished reading Jason Schreier's FFXV review - I don't have to read any more reviews thanks to the perfection of this one and because of it, I'm beyond hyped - thank you Jason!!
It was a superb review and you truly covered all the appropriate bases with aplomb.
Btw:
It was a superb review and you truly covered all the appropriate bases with aplomb.
Btw:
"Arcade gaming"?!? As in arcade games other than Justice Monsters V pinball??
Its not anywhere close in quality to an action game, not even in the same stratosphere. Its more like Arkham asylum with team attacks, but even that's not really close to describing it.
As i said, its still much better and more reactionary than most western RPG combat
For some reason looking at the game made me think of one of my old favorite puzzle games "TIM".
timetokill
Banned
Sounds like it came out much better than expected.
I hope this isn't another case of reviewer insanity -- see bloated scores for a lot of AAA games in the past few years -- but I'm cautiously optimistic.
I hope this isn't another case of reviewer insanity -- see bloated scores for a lot of AAA games in the past few years -- but I'm cautiously optimistic.
The problem, from a sales standpoint, is that there is a large number of people who look at the top 2or 3 games on mc and buy only from that list. It is part of the reason gtav sells perennially. So in that respect, 80s are bad.
We must gather our rosebuds while we may. Though I'm mostly going to try hard not to be a jerk about it
Yeah, let's not lose our heads now. Best to be humble, civil, and decent over the internet. There are only so many of us willing to do so -- so we've gotta keep it going or else the net will explode.
Trust me.
KillerMan91
Member
If I remember right it was because there was shit ton of more games released in 2008 compared to 2016. When you have tons of more games released you have also tons of more crap bringing the average score down. If we compare just AAA budget games scores have definitely come down from early last gen.
Edit. Seems I am badly late with this post
BlazingDarkness
Member
I'm really excited for this!
I understand reviewers this generation have stepped away from throwing 9 and 10s with abandon and approach things much more sensibly, so mid 80s does not bother me at all.
With FFXV, all I wanted to know is how far removed from the dreck that was XIII is it? The degree of difference is all that matters, and I believe it is almost the opposite in every way!
I understand reviewers this generation have stepped away from throwing 9 and 10s with abandon and approach things much more sensibly, so mid 80s does not bother me at all.
With FFXV, all I wanted to know is how far removed from the dreck that was XIII is it? The degree of difference is all that matters, and I believe it is almost the opposite in every way!
LiveFromKyoto
Member
Yeah, if I ever got back into the game I'd be more proactive about finding others to play with. At the time I started everybody on GAF was already grinding the end game of the end game.
By & large I really liked it though; I was like a lot of people who avoided MMOs but I'm glad I didn't for XIV. XII & XIV were the only games across the FF universe that I really enjoyed since IX.
Optimal score range as far as I'm concerned:
90+ and they might have adopted this sort of formula for future mainline games.
Less than 80 and they might stop pouring money into AAA JRPGs.
Mid 80's: "Maybe we should let Ito make that game he's been wanting to do for a decade."
90+ and they might have adopted this sort of formula for future mainline games.
Less than 80 and they might stop pouring money into AAA JRPGs.
Mid 80's: "Maybe we should let Ito make that game he's been wanting to do for a decade."
YankeeDonB
Member
I heard that. Truer in the latter half of 2016 than ever.
That's it in the same way that turn-based JRPGs are nothing but selecting "Attack" from a menu over and over.
If you treat this like you're about to play something ranging from Zelda to DMC you may get frustrated. This looks like an ARPG, and it kind of is, but it still has fundamental roots in traditional JRPG mentality.
RecRoulette
Member
This is also an RPG, which would take way longer to complete than a shooter or action game.
Hmm I could have sworn I did that but let me try again. Gracias!
So to follow up on what I was saying earlier about modern review scores, here is the Metacritic score for every $60 retail game released in 2016, as based upon their most reviewed platform.
I maintained the sort order from Metacritic, so rankings within the scores are also reflected.
Keep in mind that it's early enough that Final Fantasy XV could still move a point or two in either direction (though given the critics to come, guessing down a point might be the safest).
Uncharted 4: 93
Overwatch: 91
Forza Horizon 3: 91
Dark Souls 3: 89
Titanfall 2: 89
Civilization VI: 89
XCOM 2: 88
Dishonored 2: 88
Battlefield 1: 88
World of Warcraft: Legion: 88
Total War: Warhammer: 86
Final Fantasy XV: 86
Pro Evolution Soccer 2017: 85
Gears of War 4: 85
MLB The Show 16: 85
Doom: 85
FIFA 17: 84
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided: 84
Dragon Quest Builders: 83
Watch Dogs 2: 83
Skylanders Imaginators: 81
# Fire Emblem: 80
The Division: 80
Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4: 79
NHL 17: 78
LEGO Star Wars: 78
Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare: 78
World of Final Fantasy: 78
Street Fighter V: 77
Quantum Break: 77
Pokken Tournament: 76
Far Cry Primal: 76
Paper Mario: Color Splash: 76
Attack On Titan: 74
LEGO Marvel: 71
Mirror's Edge: Catalyst: 69
WWE 2K17: 69
Star Fox Zero: 69
Battleborn: 68
Mafia 3: 68
Star Ocean 5: 59
Homefront 2: 48
While an 86 is one of the lowest review scores the mainline franchise has ever seen, I do think it's worth considering the current review scale. This actually leaves it pretty high up the list of games in its category.
This is also why I made my original prediction in the 77-82 range, since that's actually only a bit below average today, and would fit with such a troubled development cycle.
You might also notice that there aren't that many games for this being a nigh exhaustive list, but that's a different topic of discussion.
I maintained the sort order from Metacritic, so rankings within the scores are also reflected.
Keep in mind that it's early enough that Final Fantasy XV could still move a point or two in either direction (though given the critics to come, guessing down a point might be the safest).
Uncharted 4: 93
Overwatch: 91
Forza Horizon 3: 91
Dark Souls 3: 89
Titanfall 2: 89
Civilization VI: 89
XCOM 2: 88
Dishonored 2: 88
Battlefield 1: 88
World of Warcraft: Legion: 88
Total War: Warhammer: 86
Final Fantasy XV: 86
Pro Evolution Soccer 2017: 85
Gears of War 4: 85
MLB The Show 16: 85
Doom: 85
FIFA 17: 84
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided: 84
Dragon Quest Builders: 83
Watch Dogs 2: 83
Skylanders Imaginators: 81
# Fire Emblem: 80
The Division: 80
Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4: 79
NHL 17: 78
LEGO Star Wars: 78
Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare: 78
World of Final Fantasy: 78
Street Fighter V: 77
Quantum Break: 77
Pokken Tournament: 76
Far Cry Primal: 76
Paper Mario: Color Splash: 76
Attack On Titan: 74
LEGO Marvel: 71
Mirror's Edge: Catalyst: 69
WWE 2K17: 69
Star Fox Zero: 69
Battleborn: 68
Mafia 3: 68
Star Ocean 5: 59
Homefront 2: 48
While an 86 is one of the lowest review scores the mainline franchise has ever seen, I do think it's worth considering the current review scale. This actually leaves it pretty high up the list of games in its category.
This is also why I made my original prediction in the 77-82 range, since that's actually only a bit below average today, and would fit with such a troubled development cycle.
You might also notice that there aren't that many games for this being a nigh exhaustive list, but that's a different topic of discussion.
Balee!!!!!!!
I played xiii before reading the torrent of hate and I'm glad I did because I loved it. Fan impressions (groupthink) can ruin things before they begin.
Slightly OT:
One thing I found interesting after the fact was that ithat the localization team saved the chatacter of Sazhs, who was written racist af and apparently had horrid jpn va. He was one of my favs. Gogo meddling translators!
Really? There are plenty of rpgs that are awesome without having a good story (Skyrim, for example). FFXV has many good things (great character development, GOAT combat, an interesting open world) that make it a great game imo, a lacking story is a shame but does not detract too much from how good it is.
To be fair, I only encountered jerks about 5% of the time, asked one of the nice groups for a solution, and they gave me one.
I can see a new player being unwilling to ask for help, but really there's enough great players out there willing to help out and accommodate you to remedy any problems you have.
I had this fear of "oh, I'm late to the game. People just rush through the ending stuff now and I'm holding them back". Solution? Create a Duty Finder search and ask for help. Found a group willing to wait out my cutscenes no issues.
Finding the right people can make all the difference, and new players often fail to take advantage of the tools readily available to find these people easily.
I'm glad we've come to some kind of understanding at least. I wasn't ever trying to make any kind of debate over the concept itself, just shutting up some trolls who were being obnoxious. But, I will happily respond since it is a topic now
I totally get what you're saying, but there's a key factor that goes into making your score too far in one extreme or another. It means either you're being too nitpicky, or the opposite and ignoring obvious flaws, or it means that you're biased one way or the other most likely, especially with a solid, moderate consensus. Either way, it's meaning there's reason to take that one with a gain of salt.
This doesn't dismiss the content of anything, BTW. Like I mentioned to one other poster, if the article in question brings up legitimate points, then those points can be debated/analyzed on its own merits. I still don't put any stock into the scores themselves for the reasons listed above.
I would agree that if you were really interested in really REALLY digging into it, then you need to read and consider every point brought up from all around. But, there's a point, IMO, where looking at something too deeply in a microscope is problematic in its own right, let alone a video game. As an analogy, I would imagine the world's hottest supermodel looks like an alien wasteland when looked at through a microscope. Sometimes the wider, softer view is more informative and accurate than a detailed list of every flaw.
butman
Member
This review is an ode to the FF franchise.
archvile7
Member
We get it man, you want the game to fail.
YankeeDonB
Member
Yeah, wholly orthogonal to his take on XV I really liked reading this. Just straight up love for the series, ups and downs included.
I recently hit level cap, and just want to throw in that aside from the occasional person leaving for no reason, I've never had a single negative experience in the form of harassment. The FFXIV community is almost frothing at the mouth to help new players.
semiconscious
Member
that mafia 3 score is sooo wrong
...to add: ps4 rpg/srpg this gen:
92 bloodborne
92 witcher 3
90 diablo 3
89 dark souls 3
89 dragon age: inquisition
88 divinity: original sin
88 xcom 2
87 fallout 4
86 final fantasy xv...
This thread has some odd replies...
DOWN
Banned
Nonsense. Everyone knows scores for AAA games are around 5 points lower on metacritic this gen. The review sites got tougher and we no longer have 9.5 AAA games every month
He's probably disappointed the game scored over 80.
Anyways,
This review thread is not the bloodbath I imagined.
It's mostly pretty civil so far.
Fans are not rejoicing at a 99 MC telling naysayers to eat crow, yet it got scores high enough that disables the naysayers from saying: "I told you so".