Gordon Shumway
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That's fake news..😏
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Can we take a moment to appreciate Horizon ZD's diversity efforts?
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That's fake news..😏
It's disingenuous, Gordon. I would have no problem with black Roman emperors, but there simply weren't any. Neither Septimius Severus or Caracalla were black as linked in that absolute, thrash source.
I'm from Argentina, so I understand what you're talking about. Most video game characters (Outside football games) from South American countries are from Brazil, maybe Argentina or Colombia. Which represent Uruguay or Bolivia about as well as a Canadian represents Mexico.
That is nice. I should probably try Ubisoft games again. The last one I played from them was FarCry 3.
And I really need to play Gravity Rush 2...
Q1 2017 is killing my wallet.
I expect that you're now going to provide proof that there were no black Roman Emperors, instead of just your opinion.
I expect you to provide me with a viable and properly sourced article that there were in fact black emperors and not simply those that were born in North African provinces.
Primethius
Banned
Sony's stepping into a good place with diversity recently but yea, Ubisoft holds the crown so far with the diversity they already have in existing games.
Saucestin_Roast
Member
Please, please share your impressions with us! Just spoiler tag it so those who don't want to have the surprise ruined can be protected.
So nothing then. You're just concerned about the idea of a non-white Roman emperor. Got it.
wenaldy
Member
Oh shit, it's "We Wuz Kangz n Shiet" all over again.
Orochinagis
Member
I guess you havent played Far Cry Primal where everyone is brownish and black.
I still dont like the lead character without any scar yet pretty and white, considering the nature of the game.
I like how Nioh handles William culture clashing with the japanese, He even got a nickname because the local people could speak his name properly
I still dont like the lead character without any scar yet pretty and white, considering the nature of the game.
I like how Nioh handles William culture clashing with the japanese, He even got a nickname because the local people could speak his name properly
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Nice argumentum ad personam. Find better sources mate.
Edit: For clarity, nowhere did I write that they were both white. I simply say they weren't black. Severius had Punic and possibly Libyan ancestry on his father's side, he could well be considered to be party Berber. Again, being born in Africa doesn't make you black.
I find this to be an extremely toxic and damaging stance to have. Not just ignoring that she's far from your average stereotypical female protagonist and generalizing some supposed "whiteness", you're discrediting every other character in this game based on that as well.
Musician655321
Banned
I'll spoiler tag everything. I know how nutty y'all are with your spoilers. It's all good.
Orochinagis
Member
She looks kinda average to be honest, the game really needs to put some good development on her and dont fall into following orders from other people.
It is the most recent AAA hyped game releasing in less than 20 days and it has some pretty amazing diversity efforts. Asian, african, brown, afro american, etc.
I just wanted to celebrate the evolution of our industry and this is the most recent example of that.
But you can try to find an agenda on that if you want it, I dont care.
I like the redhead protagonist. I like redheads. I like me. Easy.
If everyone wants to be represented, it's because they only identify to people who looks like them. And making those distinctions is racism.
That's bad. Every party talking is bad here. Those characters are all humans like us.
To me.
If everyone wants to be represented, it's because they only identify to people who looks like them. And making those distinctions is racism.
That's bad. Every party talking is bad here. Those characters are all humans like us.
To me.
This is about diversity, and this is yet another AAA game with a white lead. I've grown tired of this trope, especially since as an Asian I'm barely seeing any representation of my ethnic group.
They can address this concern by allowing players to swap the main lead's colour/ethnicity. It's an RPG, so a character creator would not be out of place.
Mind you, I'm still getting the game because the setting is phenomenal, but yea, not particularly impressed with the developer's attempt at diversity so far.
Please, please let this be sarcasm.
Frozenprince
Banned
Y'all sure are quick to shit on diversity and inclusivity ain't ya.
So you cant appreciate the diversity efforts in the game because the main character is white? How is that remotely right?
Can you at least appreciate the fact that Aloy is a non-sexualized female lead in a high profile AAA game?
Weltall Zero
Member
Yours is the definition of a shitpost, one that's a xerox of every single one about "colorblindness" ever, which coincidentally always comes from white males asking what's the big deal about having people of color in games and implying how people are shallow because they care about skin color and they don't, without realizing they live in a white male world. I'm glad other people have the patience, goodwill and energy to inform you of what you could have taken the time to research yourself, or simply realize using a modicum of empathy and common sense, but you are in no way entitled to that kindness from everyone, and after being burned with so many concern trolls I certainly don't feel obligated to extend it to you.
Now feel free to tone police me as per the Concern Troll Field Manual.
WeirdoStalkerJr
Member
Yea, I am not really feeling the story either. To me it just seems like a color by numbers script followed by the white washing of native americans. Shame to, they could of really done something.
Because the status quo remains the same.
Game devs for the most part still are reluctant to have minorities as main/lead characters.
The diversity in H:ZD simply doesn't go far enough to satisfy me.
Agreed.
I suppose you are talking about the cutscene with the suicidal brother and his sister. It was discussed a lot and fortunately it looks like it is a isolated case. The preview event gameplay has a lot of cutscenes with much better acting/voice acting and writing. It seems to be on par with your general open world game cutscenes.
Yeah, it was this.
The question still stands, though... can we skip cutscenes? I do in almost every game.
We've seen tons of minority characters in the game even if the main character is a white woman. We've seen quite a variety of asians, black characters as well as "brown" people of seemingly a variety of inspirations. Not only that but even the tribes themselves seem pretty distinct with the Nora tribe being a matriarchy where mothers are all important and because Aloy is an orphan who doesn't know her mother she is shunned. I'd say the game is pretty damn diverse even if not every single aspect of it isn't.
You do realize native american's don't have a monopoly on "tribal" garb? I think its actually a little ignorant as pretty much every major group of people from white to black to brown and so on had a tribal phase and not at all surprising, a lot of tribal garb is pretty similar outside of cultural flourishes and demands from the environment but that can all be said for Native American tribes as well.
I dont know.
Yeah, and to add to this is that hollywood has been doing the same sort of thing for a while. Having more white female leads has not resulted in more lead roles for WOC, just more for other white women. The rising tide does not lift all ships.
Frozenprince
Banned
See Ghost in the Shell for reference
Omnistalgic
Member
lol but they aren't being glad. They're basically throwing shade on the OP by saying "diversity = black people now lol"
GAF, and other forums are just negative. We can't celebrate more black people because Spanish is now a larger part of the demographic? Lol their is no positivity in that reasoning.
WeirdoStalkerJr
Member
I actually am native american, so you can stop with that monopoly defense right there. As the whites have pretty much taken all of my familys land, then to see them white washing my culture I think I have every right to voice a concern I see.
Omnistalgic
Member
What? So only native Americans had traditional garb like that? Wtf? You guys need to some research or something. The ignorance is kinda ridiculous.
And I'm not even defending HZD, here jury is out on how good the story will be. But are we not jumping to conclusions here? Can't have one positive thread about race?
My personal stance is that most people think about themselves first and foremost, and will feel content about a game's representation as long as their own skin color is represented. That is to say, if you see a game feature white folk, white people will call it diverse. If you see a game feature black folk, black people will call it diverse. If you see a game feature Asian folk, Asians will call it diverse etc.
Is it hypocritical? Not really. A game featuring white+black is still more diverse than a game featuring only the former. Horizon is diverse in that regard. But of course a game featuring more than those two groups would still be more diverse than that, and it'd be great to see all ethnicities represented eventually.
Is it hypocritical? Not really. A game featuring white+black is still more diverse than a game featuring only the former. Horizon is diverse in that regard. But of course a game featuring more than those two groups would still be more diverse than that, and it'd be great to see all ethnicities represented eventually.
Omnistalgic
Member
Do we know how diverse this game is? Seems a bunch of different shades of black in brown I've seen already. I don't get why it's getting labeled as only having black and white characters, am i missing something? I've seen characters so far that look Asian, Indian, white, and black?
letmetrythisname
Member
You sure? I don't think I'd call a game whose entire cast is racially homogeneous diverse.
I'm sure I saw at least one asian looking man in some of the footage.
not all asians look like this guy though...
Nope, theres still regular animals
What? No. That was David Harewood in Shadow Fall and Infinite Warfare. The guy in the screenshot is Lance Reddick (who also was a character in Quantum Break.)
Edit: Oh... That's already been addressed.
Sparkedglory
Member
After reading a bit of the thread...my 2 cents.
1. Is it really THAT hard for some of you to comprehend why some people might want some diversity in a game? Like I don't know. Maybe people wanna play with a character that looks a bit more like them, maybe they just wanna play something different than the norm every now and then.
2. A reason for the diversity?...we're talking about a game where you fight giant robotic monster animals...and some of you need a reason for different skin colors. Come on.
3. Cultural appropriation? I mean I personally don't really see it, or care all that much, but that's just me. If aloy has red hair and dreads then cool, she has red hair and dreads. Let her do her.
1. Is it really THAT hard for some of you to comprehend why some people might want some diversity in a game? Like I don't know. Maybe people wanna play with a character that looks a bit more like them, maybe they just wanna play something different than the norm every now and then.
2. A reason for the diversity?...we're talking about a game where you fight giant robotic monster animals...and some of you need a reason for different skin colors. Come on.
3. Cultural appropriation? I mean I personally don't really see it, or care all that much, but that's just me. If aloy has red hair and dreads then cool, she has red hair and dreads. Let her do her.
