Monocle
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Must be the movie's fault. Definitely not yours.I almost fell asleep twice
Must be the movie's fault. Definitely not yours.I almost fell asleep twice
I still don't fully get the colonel's drive though. It's not the apes that are to blame, it's the fucking humans with their experimenting.
Nah the timeline goes like this: Caesar gets captured when he notices the crucified apes are from his camp. He wakes up ALONE so that the colonel can have a word with him privately and THEN he is thrown into the prison with the rest of the apes.If he had killed Ceasar the apes would have rebelled and the wall wouldn't get done on time.
Reeves told the Happy Sad Confused podcast about a scene cut from the script which revealed what happened to Malcolm:
"Yeah, they were, actually, specifically Jasons character was, and it was a disturbing discovery. The Colonel (Woody Harrelson) had revealed some information about a man whod come to him when he first got to the city and impressed upon him how important it was to find Caesar and to tell him that he needed to create peace with this man. That this Ape was not just an Ape but was a great leader, and he thought this guy was crazy. And now he (Colonel), in the scene with Caesar, says that he now sees what he meant, and Caesar says, Well, what happened to him? And The Colonel said, I killed him. Caesar is perplexed and asks why, and The Colonel says, His ideas were very dangerous because the ideas were like a virus and they could spread to others, and right now this is a fight for humanity. So thats what happened."
Someone may have posted this already but it's the first I've heard of it. A reference to Malcolm was cut from the film.
Nah the timeline goes like this: Caesar gets captured when he notices the crucified apes are from his camp. He wakes up ALONE so that the colonel can have a word with him privately and THEN he is thrown into the prison with the rest of the apes.
Face it, it's dumb and makes no sense.
Well now that's just mean.
I do agree there definitely felt like some "conveniences" happened for the sake of the plot...but that is basically every movie ever. For me, at least, I was able to suspend that disbelief to enjoy the movie, but I can see where others had issues.
My only really big complaint is that I really wished there were more fleshed out human characters. Dawn, in comparison, had this great dichotomy between Apes and Humans, and it feels like War is Apes vs the Colonel (along with some other humans, that get no development or screentime).
I liked the film but thought it all kind of came loose towards the end. The soldiers at the Colonel's camp have to be some of the worst prison guards in history. I also found the inclusion of this human vs human element to be somewhat contrived. Because the Colonel isn't wrong, humans will be outnumbered by apes and its difficult to believe that would go well for us. I'm actually surprised how little cruelty you saw the soldiers give out, I'd have thought they would be in full extermination mode, but then I guess you can only go so far with the concept and a 12A certificate
Someone may have posted this already but it's the first I've heard of it. A reference to Malcolm was cut from the film.
Next movie is a straight remake of POTA?
I thought this was good but what the hell is with the "BEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR" reviews. It isn't by a country mile.
I saw that as intentional if you chart human versus ape characters across the trilogy. Rise was weighted towards humans. Dawn struck a balance between the two. War is weighted towards the apes.
That shot of Caesar looking at the troops before the flood, I thought it was interesting how they were all wearing masks and faceless.
Oh, that's a very interesting way of looking at it. Cool observation.
Speaking of the army, was I the only one that was half-expecting the faceless human army to take off their masks and all be Apes under there?
It doesn't work because anyone with a brain could deduce that reuniting Caesar with his tribe would cause an uprising. The colonel even interrogated him and knows he's intelligent and wants to kill him because of what happened to his wife and son! The colonel should have killed him on the spot or put him in an isolated cell at the very least.Whats so dumb about what you said?
It doesn't work because anyone with a brain could deduce that reuniting Caesar with his tribe would cause an uprising. The colonel even interrogated him and knows he's intelligent and wants to kill him because of what happened to his wife and son! The colonel should have killed him on the spot or put him in an isolated cell at the very least.
Then there's the whole virus thing the colonel is deathly afraid of, so why even bring in apes at all? He isn't a scientist and seems to be slightly unhinged as well, so it's hard to believe he wouldn't be paranoid about apes being carriers, especially after what happened to his son. There are a lot of conveniences for the sake of character development and yet it's still plodding. It doesn't work in my opinion.
The Colonel and his soldiers incompetence can be chalked up to arrogance. Same reason they thought a fucking wooden wall was going to help them fight off an invasion force. The Colonels position had transcended simple military chain of command into a form of hero worship and idolization. They believed they were the masters of their fate, hence the "beginning and the end" Alpha and Omega stuff they had going on. They believed they could control the apes, and also believed they could fight off a huge fucking army marching at their gates.
so, I am torn between this movie and baby driver for the night....I do love the other ape films so maybe I should just see this one?
That reminds me. I was so fucking sure the 'other army' were going to be more apes, after they met Bad Ape and got an idea there were more I was shocked they didn't do that as a typical POTA twist. Even when they were all wearing masks and looking at Caesar I was sure that's what would have happened.The Colonel and his soldiers incompetence can be chalked up to arrogance. Same reason they thought a fucking wooden wall was going to help them fight off an invasion force. The Colonels position had transcended simple military chain of command into a form of hero worship and idolization. They believed they were the masters of their fate, hence the "beginning and the end" Alpha and Omega stuff they had going on. They believed they could control the apes, and also believed they could fight off a huge fucking army marching at their gates.
Am I the only one that thought that at the end one of the soldiers of the attacking army was going to take off their mask and they would all turn out to be apes from somewhere else that commandeered an army base and learned how to use modern weaponry?
I didn't really think that. This series has been stuck to a kind of realism, so I didn't really expect a huge number of apes coming down from the north. I mean, rise was set in our world and most apes species are in zoos or are endangered. For the time span on the movies, having the humans dying off and self destructing was the right move. But I dont feel like there can be that many apes, at least not in North America.
Three posts above you, yes.Am I the only one that thought that at the end one of the soldiers of the attacking army was going to take off their mask and they would all turn out to be apes from somewhere else that commandeered an army base and learned how to use modern weaponry?
That reminds me. I was so fucking sure the 'other army' were going to be more apes, after they met Bad Ape and got an idea there were more I was shocked they didn't do that as a typical POTA twist. Even when they were all wearing masks and looking at Caesar I was sure that's what would have happened.
That reminds me. I was so fucking sure the 'other army' were going to be more apes, after they met Bad Ape and got an idea there were more I was shocked they didn't do that as a typical POTA twist. Even when they were all wearing masks and looking at Caesar I was sure that's what would have happened.
Three posts above you, yes.
I get that the series largely stuck to realism but they could have still pulled off a massive twist like this in the final chapter. Not too bothered it wasn't the case though.
Enjoyed it a fair bit, I think I like Dawn more out of the three.
Really thought crossbow guy would turn, or that the attacking army would be apes or a mix of apes and humans.
Enjoyed it a fair bit, I think I like Dawn more out of the three.
Really thought crossbow guy would turn