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MattKeil said:
There is such thing as a formulaic entertainment product (not just games) that presents a top-notch quality version of the formula in question, and one that just goes through the motions without ever really wowing the audience/player. Is it so hard to imagine that U2 was the former and U3 could be the latter?

I certainly could imagine it to be the latter. I just highly doubt it. I think ND know what they are doing at the end of the day, and I personally think anyone who expected a jump as big as U1>U2 was living in cloud cuckoo land. It just isn't possible on this gen of hardware. I have yet to play the game, so I definitely could be disappointed, but everything I have seen of the game suggests to the contrary: I am likely to enjoy it just as much as previous series entries.

But anyway, I am giving rather extraordinary attention to this topic. The game has reviewed excellently so far, and I was guaranteed to buy the game the day it was announced, since I enjoyed the previous instalments so much.
 
SolidSnakex said:
I think that sales plays a role in the negativity toward some reviews. Gaming companies now regularly talk about wanting to have a certain Metacritic average. But I don't think that it carries nearly as much weight as we're often lead to believe.
That´s really bad, since companies can bribe these sites to give high score to their games. No, i am not saying that Sony or ND have bribed anybody.
 

PowderedToast

Junior Member
oh lordy. going by this thread it's clear that the majority of the 'hardcore' gaming community just isn't ready to read anything approaching video game criticism. that's a damn shame. i've never seen it so bad - but then i typically avert these kind of threads. now i honestly can't blame the press for what they do, their audience is made up of children.
 

Anteater

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GDJustin said:
I agree with Eurogamer's 8/10 review, which is probably the most negative one I've read. I also agree with IGN's 10/10, which is probably the most positive review I've read.

Eurogamer is right - the game does basically force you to play the game how ND wants. Right down to "adjusting" your jumps. It's more linear than virtually ANYTHING else out there, because not only is the adventure linear, but all the moments within the adventure are completely scripted. It's arguably the least dynamic AAA game out there.

But IGN is also right. The experience itself is SO polished, and SO unlike anything else out there. UC games are an experience. An incredible experience.

Compare to UC2, did you find 3 to be even less dynamic?

I apologize if it was mentioned in the reviews, but I didn't want to read them to avoid spoilers.
 

KAL2006

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Just found out what maps are in the final game and am annoyed ND left out the best maps from Uncharted 2, it is obvious they are leaving those as DLC which is annoying.
 
GDJustin said:
I agree with Eurogamer's 8/10 review, which is probably the most negative one I've read. I also agree with IGN's 10/10, which is probably the most positive review I've read.

Eurogamer is right - the game does basically force you to play the game how ND wants. Right down to "adjusting" your jumps. It's more linear than virtually ANYTHING else out there, because not only is the adventure linear, but all the moments within the adventure are completely scripted. It's arguably the least dynamic AAA game out there.

But IGN is also right. The experience itself is SO polished, and SO unlike anything else out there. UC games are an experience. An incredible experience.

Thats an excellent summation of my own sentiments towards the series.
 

Yuterald

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Uncharted 3. "Masterpiece", "Best Game Ever", "10/10", "Pinnacle of Gaming"...
until Uncharted 4 comes out. Game reviews, lol!
 
Vire said:
Just you.

Hilarious? More like incredibly stupid.

At least we know where the fanboys stand. You, on the other hand, have been passive aggressively trolling behind the guise of objectively. Can see right through it.

Anyway, I liked the Eurogamer review. He eloquently and clearly stated his problems with the game, as well as his likes. UC2 is one of my favorite games of all time, but I understand the problems with excessive hand-holding and linearity. It was so masterfully done however, that it didn't detract from my enjoyment.
 
GDJustin said:
I agree with Eurogamer's 8/10 review, which is probably the most negative one I've read. I also agree with IGN's 10/10, which is probably the most positive review I've read.

Eurogamer is right - the game does basically force you to play the game how ND wants. Right down to "adjusting" your jumps. It's more linear than virtually ANYTHING else out there, because not only is the adventure linear, but all the moments within the adventure are completely scripted. It's arguably the least dynamic AAA game out there.

But IGN is also right. The experience itself is SO polished, and SO unlike anything else out there. UC games are an experience. An incredible experience.

It's more linear than U2?

(This is an actual question. While I found U2 to be, of course, completely linear, it also allowed for a nice amount of creativity in the gunfights, because of the decent size of the areas and the vertical/scaling aspect of the level design. It never felt as intensely shooting gallery-ish as a CoD game, for example. I entered most gunfights and relished the "okay... how shall I tackle this one this time?" feeling.)

What say you?
 

deepbrown

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Loudninja said:
Thank you! the fools put a major spolier in their R3 review so I have to be extra careful now.
I haven't read the whole thing! I scanned... I read the intro and conclusion (except for the Eurogamer review which I read it full). Please don't blame me if there's a spoiler! Someone else might be better to say
 

Gvaz

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Acquiescence said:
Not nearly enough hours in the day. When you consider that we're in the midst of an overcrowded release window full of triple-A titles, an RPG allegedly reminiscent of FFXII is very very low on my list of gaming priorities right now.
The major reason those people were saying it was like ff12 is because ff12 is like an single player mmo in the basest form, albeit I'd say it has more akin to D&D styled games, in a couple regards but not as a whole. Xenoblade has mmo tendencies with things like hubs giving out quests (though not nearly in the same way as an mmo) and you can queue up attacks and your character's position plays into dealing more damage along with stacking attack types for different effects, and abilities have cooldown. It ends up being a reasonably deep while still rather simple combat structure that never really gets boring from one enemy to the next.

I can understand not having enough time, but I really think you should make the time and reconsider it. It is a great game and an overwhelming majority of those who've played it will say exactly the same thing, it's not praise out of fanboyism, but praise out of a product that's in front of me.

Your argument sounds a whole lot like eating the best filet mignon in the world then going to complain that the beef looks too much like something you could buy at wal-mart (because they're both beef and were cooked in an oven) to me.
 

Satchel

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GDJustin said:
I agree with Eurogamer's 8/10 review, which is probably the most negative one I've read. I also agree with IGN's 10/10, which is probably the most positive review I've read.

Eurogamer is right - the game does basically force you to play the game how ND wants. Right down to "adjusting" your jumps. It's more linear than virtually ANYTHING else out there, because not only is the adventure linear, but all the moments within the adventure are completely scripted. It's arguably the least dynamic AAA game out there.

But IGN is also right. The experience itself is SO polished, and SO unlike anything else out there. UC games are an experience. An incredible experience.

That's actually a pretty apt summary of the situation given those 2 reviews, which so far, are the only 2 I've read.

In the end, 99.99% of people in this thread were going to buy this game regardless, so those in this thread who don't appear to be 'all there' will simply take the IGN Review as gospel, despite the fact that I'd say most of those same posters probably bag the shit out of IGN most of the time.

For the rest of us, who are ignoring the actualy score Eurogamer gave the game and reading the actual content of the review, will be happy to see there is someone out there reviewing the game without a fanboy hat on, which I appreciate.

When I read that in UC3 you receive insta-death for trailing of Naughty Dogs strict path, that's concerned me a bit. What I loved about Uncharted 1 was that the level design borderline BEGGED you to explore the level and take it all in.

Uncharted 2 was just trying to rush you to the next shootout or scripted event, which really bothered me (Outside of the Nepal level in the village). It alsmost sounds like what Uncharted 3 is doing. Which I'm not overly happy with.
 
He (eurogamer) complains that the scenarios are destructible in occasions, he complains that he can't pull out his gun when he wants.
This "give me freedom" complaint is so damn stupid and ignorant because you can't tell a (proper) story or develop a character if you allow the player to do what he pleases. Hell, I bet it's really hard to code a game where every scenario is destructible and it doesn't affect the pace of the game.
He spent just one paragraph on actual game mechanics, he wrote about 4 talking about how the scripting hurts his freedom, terrible writing.

If he said: Even the AI runs in circles and blindfires. 8/10
That would be better.
 
Beam said:

Its always funny reading old threads and seeing how many people are banned. Its hard enough to even get into Neo-Gaf, but people get banned at a pretty humorous rate! And for things I didn't even know were bannable offenses! Some guy said "popcorn.gif" and got banned, I don't even understand that shit. Sometimes I don't know what to say on this website anymore, in fear of the banhammer randomly striking me.
 

nib95

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Not particularly spoilerific, but spoilers none-the-less. You've been warned so don't click unless you're sure!


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Just wow...
 

deepbrown

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zoukka said:
Can you point out these sections from the review please.



Yes, why not? These are journalists (haha yeah), their job is to critically dissect the experience while they go at it. They are not supposed to be some random internet fanboys, who can't see anything positive in a game if it has certain elements on it. What you are proposing is absurd. Whether or not you see it today doesn't change that fact.

Should Roger Ebert only review his favourite genres? Don't be silly.
I think you're not listening to what I'm saying. Go ahead, critique it - give it a 5/10 - but keep it consistent. You hate linear games? Mark all linear games down. You hate unoriginal games? Mark all unoriginal games down. You dislike Uncharted? Mark all Uncharted games down.
 

Vire

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The-Warning said:
At least we know where the fanboys stand. You, on the other hand, have been passive aggressively trolling behind the guise of objectively. Can see right through it.

Anyway, I liked the Eurogamer review. He eloquently and clearly stated his problems with the game, as well as his likes. UC2 is one of my favorite games of all time, but I understand the problems with excessive hand-holding and linearity. It was so masterfully done however, that it didn't detract from my enjoyment.
Passive agressive? I'm buying the game on day one. I just find the display in this thread in poor form.
 
Beam said:
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Lol, now people pick up on how bad of a writer greg miller is. oh, the humanity.

also how is uncharted any more linear than any of the call of duty games? because there are platforming setpieces?
 

Yuterald

Member
This thread is entertaining. You've got some people that are are overly concerned about game review scores (lol) while others are arguing about games that are completely unrelated. How did we even begin to talk about Xenoblade in an Uncharted thread?

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd much rather talk about Xenoblade too when given the opportunity. There's just so much to discuss, especially when compared to a game like Uncharted, lol!
 
Vire said:
Passive agressive? I'm buying the game on day one. I just find the display in this thread in poor form.

Oh come on. Are you on a one-man mission to eradicate fanboyism in the world? It's a review thread, this always happens. I find it entertaining. You seem to have an axe to grind.
 

Emitan

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nib95 said:
Not particularly spoilerific, but spoilers none-the-less. You've been warned so don't click unless you're sure!


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PowderedToast said:
oh lordy. going by this thread it's clear that the majority of the 'hardcore' gaming community just isn't ready to read anything approaching video game criticism. that's a damn shame. i've never seen it so bad - but then i typically avert these kind of threads. now i honestly can't blame the press for what they do, their audience is made up of children.

Are reactions to reviews for stuff like movies any different? I remember people going nuts when some rotten reviews caused Toy Story 3 to be the only movie in the franchise to not average a 100% at Rotten Tomatoes. It now "only" averages 99%.
 

zoukka

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deepbrown said:
I think you're not listening to what I'm saying. Go ahead, critique it - give it a 5/10 - but keep it consistent. You hate linear games? Mark all linear games down. You hate unoriginal games? Mark all unoriginal games down. You dislike Uncharted? Mark all Uncharted games down.

Err there are times when linearity pisses me off and in some games it works well. You have proven absolutely nothing... except maybe that some people see a criticism in context of linear progression and start spouting nonsense about Eurogamer wanting Uncharted to be something it's not. Which is evident in every page of this god forsaken thread.
 

nib95

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24FrameDaVinci said:
I'm pretty sure Red Dead Redemption puts his argument to shame.

RDR is an open world game. Not every game in the world has to be open world. You want open world then play RDR. You want scripted, cinematic and blow your face away set piece driven? Play Uncharted 3.
 
24FrameDaVinci said:
This game has a 94 on Metacritic and people are ready to leap off their local bridges? What the fuck is wrong with some of you?

Pretty much on point.

Whoa, we all have discerning taste, and I guess what some people perceive as positives are considered negatives.

But of course a lot of gamers have to jump on the fact that games can only be perceive one way. Man GAF, these kind of review threads always turn into a mess.
 

zoukka

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SolidSnakex said:
Are reactions to reviews for stuff like movies any different? I remember people going nuts when some rotten reviews caused Toy Story 3 to be the only movie in the franchise to not average a 100% at Rotten Tomatoes. It now "only" averages 99%.

The same crazy people exist in all fanbases across mediums, but are the clear minority and there's a lot more variation in the reviews and opinions of people when it comes to music, movies and written works.
 

Luthos

Member
My first time on GAF today, and I see it's quite the fiasco, I guess because of the Eurogamer's 8 score?

Whatever. Still looks like great scores all around. And I was sold the minute they announced the third game. Or even before that. So HYPE HYPE AND AWAY. Only one week left.
 
8 is fine from Eurogamer. I just hate it when people whine about linearity. Unless you're walking in an obvious straight line for hours on end (FFXIII) then I WELCOME linearity. It's a good thing.
 

Cheska

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This is a completely serious question: Why do you play the Uncharted games?

Personally, I play for the immersive experience. I don't mind the linearity, the same way I didn't mind it in FFXIII. If I want an open world game, I turn to Assassin's Creed or inFAMOUS. I love the story and interaction between the characters in this series, and most of all I love how mesmerized I am by the settings and overall tone of the game.

I fully understand that the game completely holds your hand throughout the entire thing, but I am so overjoyed by the game I am playing, that I'm not bothered by that aspect one bit.


Curious to see what it is that keeps bringing people back for more.
 

Yoboman

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GDJustin said:
I agree with Eurogamer's 8/10 review, which is probably the most negative one I've read. I also agree with IGN's 10/10, which is probably the most positive review I've read.

Eurogamer is right - the game does basically force you to play the game how ND wants. Right down to "adjusting" your jumps. It's more linear than virtually ANYTHING else out there, because not only is the adventure linear, but all the moments within the adventure are completely scripted. It's arguably the least dynamic AAA game out there.

But IGN is also right. The experience itself is SO polished, and SO unlike anything else out there. UC games are an experience. An incredible experience.
I don't agree with that based on UC2. Its not close to the most linear

But I think the games could benefit so much from being more dynamic in the future. The current depth of the games works while ND are so far ahead of everyone else in story, technology and the basics are amongst the best. But if they want to keep the game ahead of the pack they need to think more expansively, cause the current formula is not great for iteration.

They wouldn't even have to change the pacing or structure if that is what they are worried about - they just need to add more depth to Drake's toolset.

The idea I've promoted for years is to give Drake a toolbelt with a rope for example that can be used in a number of different ways (climbing, lasooing, grabbing treasures etc.). Be creative, like MGS for example.

My other idea was to give Drake a grip gauge. This has its problems, but right now Uncharted is kind of like Shadow of the Colossus without a grip gauge. Its a fun compelling ride, but if there is no real challenge (outside combat) then it loses a bit.
 

deepbrown

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zoukka said:
Err there are times when linearity pisses me off and in some games it works well. You have proven absolutely nothing... except maybe that some people see a criticism in context of linear progression and start spouting nonsense about Eurogamer wanting Uncharted to be something it's not. Which is evident in every page of this god forsaken thread.
Well, you've missed my point there - Simon, not Eurogamer ;)
 
kunonabi said:
What's the big deal about the Eurogamer review? If the game really functions like he states than I would consider the score to be too high if anything. I've never played the series but if that description is accurate I couldn't imagine myself giving anything more than a 5/10. Sounds like he was being more than fair.

This logic that if one game in the series gets a 10 then all of them should is the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard. Final Fantasy and Silent Hill are certainly proof of that.
pretty much all the silent hill games score about the same over all. 8.5 ish on average. it's a great example of how scoring objectively is fucking daft. SH2 is a game that for most trancends it's wonky gameplay and crappy voice acting into something where those things don't matter one jot to them... but you can't overlook them in the review can you?

scores are dumb. i'll keep on saying this because it will continue to be true.
 

beast786

Member
Looks good. Been trying to avoid any spoilers. So far so good.

As per typical review thread.


People gets hype...... reviews come in........ some question low score while other question high score... then people complain about people who discuss about the scores in a REVIEW THREAD and lol at them.
 
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