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Media Create Sales: Week 48, 2011 (Nov 28 - Dec 04)
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Blending 2D sections for puzzles, and 3D sections for the action/fighting, would be blissful I think. SS shows that in terms of dungeon and puzzle design they are at their finest form since LttP, but the medium - the requirement for scripted cameras to show you key places and the 'need' for an adviser to point out things of interest - are inherent problems for the Zelda design in 3D. These should be alleviated by leading the design in 2D, where points of interest can be noted by the player without hand-holding cameras or NPCs, and only using 3D where it is appropriate (because come on, the final battle in SS is one of the greatest game battles of all time).
Due to the strength of the puzzles in SS, I think it would be churlish to suggest it needs a revolution in the development team, but it definitely needs new tools, and the confidence to make it in a format which suits the game design better than a 3D-throughout adventure.
Oh, sorry, M-C thread. Errrm... dat mario legz or something.
but then it would be ugly as fuck
PdotMichael
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I'm maybe the only one with this opinion but Zelda need voicting acting in Japan.
frankie_baby
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As long as link doesn't speak I'm sure many people would agree with that
electroplankton
Banned
Very good numbers indeed. I expect Layton reach the 400k bar, and OOT 3D the 500k mark. I wonder what KT is waiting for making a sequel of SW Chronicles.
-Pyromaniac-
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what does a revolution even mean for Zelda? You want it to not be zelda anymore? You want it to be a first person game? Not sure what constitutes a revolution.
At this point, it's obvious that people want more than an improved formula. SS was an evolution. A revolution is Zelda only in name and genre, and that's what it seems most people want.
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Honest question, what exactly was SS an evolution of? Other than motion controls?
frankie_baby
Member
ONly 500k for zelda? It's not far off that now
My definition of "evolution" is to take what's already there and make logical improvements on it. Sadly, that seems to be Aonuma's definition, too. All of the hype about SS being different, and it was just TP all over again. Zelda can't evolve. It needs a reboot.
electroplankton
Banned
Yeah, probably more. 600k? Let's see how it can pass these holidays. It was at 5k last appearance in the chart, before 3D Land was out, so it is possible it increased thanks to the hardware bump to an average of 7-8k per week so 500k could have been reached so far.
Skyward Sword doesn't look appeal to me. I guess this happen to others as well. And I'm the die hard fan who play every hardcore Zelda game. The game play style is starting to be repetative after each game even if it try to change the environment. You will just know this is how Zelda game work.
The time it takes to create is also the problem. The franchise (console one) take like ages to come out. I bought Wii twice, and I sold it to my friend after I finished Darkside Chronicle (The first time I sold the machine to other people was when I finish Umbrella Chronicle LOL). I don't feel the wait for this game because I don't know when will it would release. I even thought that the game try to follow Wiimote control scheme too much and make it feels too non-hardcore just like other Wii game. (To be honest, only Wii game I feel hardcore and is what I want is Mario Galaxy).
I believe the series is in decline. While other Nintendo series can work just fine with its old + new audience. Zelda is the one that find it difficult to fit new audience and also loosing its old fan (like me). The next game must take a lot less time to release and really need the renovation. We bore of Link/Zelda/Garnon stuff. We bore of going Dungeon after dungeon with the same kind puzzle and items. This might also sounds weird, but I think it's time Zelda should adapt to how current hardcore game is present ... voice acting. The game will be a lot more epic and should wow some other people who never play before.
Some fans will refuse what I said. But this is the opinion from someone who play both Nintendo and other non Nintendo game. I know why I like other game and I know why I like Zelda. Too bad the reason why I like Zelda is starting to fade away
The time it takes to create is also the problem. The franchise (console one) take like ages to come out. I bought Wii twice, and I sold it to my friend after I finished Darkside Chronicle (The first time I sold the machine to other people was when I finish Umbrella Chronicle LOL). I don't feel the wait for this game because I don't know when will it would release. I even thought that the game try to follow Wiimote control scheme too much and make it feels too non-hardcore just like other Wii game. (To be honest, only Wii game I feel hardcore and is what I want is Mario Galaxy).
I believe the series is in decline. While other Nintendo series can work just fine with its old + new audience. Zelda is the one that find it difficult to fit new audience and also loosing its old fan (like me). The next game must take a lot less time to release and really need the renovation. We bore of Link/Zelda/Garnon stuff. We bore of going Dungeon after dungeon with the same kind puzzle and items. This might also sounds weird, but I think it's time Zelda should adapt to how current hardcore game is present ... voice acting. The game will be a lot more epic and should wow some other people who never play before.
Some fans will refuse what I said. But this is the opinion from someone who play both Nintendo and other non Nintendo game. I know why I like other game and I know why I like Zelda. Too bad the reason why I like Zelda is starting to fade away
frankie_baby
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With all the xmas releases I doubt we'll see it in the top 20 any more so it may be a while before we get an update but methinks when we do it'll have sold pretty damn well
So then 0 sales in Japan?
Rush2thestart
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Whats with the doom and gloom on Zelda? Its selling on par with TP.
Souldriver
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Did...did you play Skyward Sword?
Cosmonaut X
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This remains a dreadful, dreadful argument.
As I think I said the last time you argued this (was it over Metroid that time?), Nintendo have a responsibility as platform-holders to make their platform appealing to all types of gamers, and ditching something like Zelda in favour of half-a-dozen Wii X games is an abdication of that responsibility.
They need their "masterpiece" games like Skyward Sword or Mario Galaxy, even if they aren't as successful or as ludicrously profitable as Wii Play or Mario Kart. They need RPGs like Xenoblade, even if it barely breaks even and could have been outsold several times over by Pokemon Whatever.
Nintendo shape a platform with the titles they release, and the third-party titles they support, and if they abandon games of the scope and production of Zelda in favour of a set of party or casual titles what message does that send to third parties and gamers?
...exactly. There's been tens of millions of wii's sold between then and now.
Rush2thestart
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And TP was a launch game. There werent many choices available at launch. TP and Wii Sports were the top two choices. You bought a Wii, you probably were going to end up with one of those games...or both.
SS also requires motionplus and that probably hurt sales of the game.
I think it's doing fine, all things considered.
That's not how these things work.
Also the doom and gloom for Zelda is hilariously premature. But then, that's BurntPork for you.
Lord_Byron28
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Incredible numbers for 3DS and good numbers for PSP, PS3, Wii and SM3DL. Dissapointing numbers for zelda for sure.
If we're basing it off of sales in Japan than Phantom Hourglass would be the most succesful Zelda behind OoT.
If we're basing it off of sales in Japan than Phantom Hourglass would be the most succesful Zelda behind OoT.
Haven't all 'Hardcore' games sold shitty/underperformed this year because the Wii is basically dead.
We're talking about Japan. You mean ten of millions. Singular.
frankie_baby
Member
I've had a thought about something that may have hurt zelda's initial sales, it seems the limited edition with the gold remote was sold out (at least on amazon) before release, so perhaps some potential buyers may have wanted that and have held off in the hope they might find it somewhere
What are you talking about? Metroid and DKCR look great.
I think a good Zelda title will sell in Japan even if it's developed by a western dev. Metroid has never sold that well in Japan, and first-person games generally aren't as popular either.
AdventureRacing
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I think zeldas sales are in large part due to the apathy towards the wii. There is a little bit too much hyperbole in here as it will still go on to sell like 4 million WW so it's not a complete bomb.
I think the next zelda game on the wii U is going to sell very well. I think it's probably the one series that will benefit the most from the HD transition out of all nintendos IP's.
Really good 3DS sales and i'm looking forward to seeing what will happen after the mario, MK and MH combo is in full effect.
I think the next zelda game on the wii U is going to sell very well. I think it's probably the one series that will benefit the most from the HD transition out of all nintendos IP's.
Really good 3DS sales and i'm looking forward to seeing what will happen after the mario, MK and MH combo is in full effect.
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I gotz no problemz wit dat! Phantom Hourglass is the only Zelda I have enjoyed this generation.
Zelda SS is a fun game but it doesn't deserve more than this actually. They fixed some elements but they left in some huge flaws and while they nailed the difficulty balance with New Super Mario Bros. Wii with the super guide they totally fucked it up with SS and Fi. Fi should've been optional for new new players that would've saved the game a bit. Other than that, it took 5 years to develop, the enemy variety is questionable, they had to re-use a ton of areas(why?), They put in some needless padding and the only part that wasn't linear had a game breaking bug in it. Zelda has too many cooks, Fujibayashi was director but each area was made by a different team with a different director at the helm. Aonuma was director, planner and supervisor of sorts and finally you had Miyamoto also as some sort of supervisor. It took 5 years to develop but you've really go to wonder what they spend their time on and the 2 years of experimenting that Aonuma talked about is probably code for 'we rebooted the whole thing 2 years in'.
AndrewDean84xX
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A new Zelda just needs to release on the 3DS in Japan for them to care about Zelda again.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Eitherway, "selling as well as TP" isn't something to triumph, but I'm betting if WM+ wasn't a factor it would be doing better. I wonder what the sales of the WM+ are.
EDIT: That makes me wonder if we should be looking at the Wii's install base at all. You can't even play the game without the WM+, so that's the limiting reactant in terms of sales.
When Miyamoto showed it at the Japanese 3DS event he said it took 5 years and 100 developers to make and it was 50-100 hours long. He later said to Famitsu that 2 out of those 5 years were mostly used for experiments so they didn't really count and they spend 3 years on the game.
Did Prime sell tons in Japan?
I agree with this. Unless Nintendo takes a huge backward step in terms of design for it, any Zelda appearing on the Wii-U looking remotely like what they showed in the tech demo is going to turn heads. Frankly, I think the biggest problem for SS is that it appeared late on a platform that many have essentially left for dead - especially in Japan where you've got a new handheld war about to begin.
Well it depends, having it be as good as TP is a triumph when it comes to world wide given TP did better then both Wind Waker and Majora's Mask. Japan may be different though, likely is if the hand held games sare anything to go by.
-Pyromaniac-
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I agree with this as well. Not saying it's the one reason, but I think it's a decently big one, or one worth mentioning.
I think there is too much panic with Zelda. Even if it's not supply constrained (and I did not honestly see whether it was or it wasn't) I could easily see gamers simply, faced with Zelda, Mario, AND Mario Kart choosing the latter two right now. I mean, how strong is the Japanese economy? I know it's the holidays but with 3 big holiday games + Monster Hunter about to drop it's not surprising that at least one game would suffer some from cannibalized sales. I'm not saying Zelda's drop is not disappointing but I think the level of concern is too high.
djplaeskool
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IIRC, the Prime series was largely ignored in Japan.
Edit: Yeah, Average first week sales for the titles I can find in Sales-Age history (2/3/Hunters) is hovering around 30-35k for first week sales.
perfectchaos007
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Weren't people in last weeks thread predicting the 3DS would sell 400K units this week? Or was that a prediction for the entire month?
DAMMIT WHY DID I GO SO SO HIGH WITH ITADAKI STREET FUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!
Skyward Sword is amazing. Just cause you think Retro or whoever else might make a great Zelda doesn't mean that Japan would like it more. I think they just aren't interested in these big 3D adventures. Just make a New Legend of Zelda, Retro can work on that considering that they just revived Donkey Kong.
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What fantasy world is this where Retro can magically step into a foreign universe and create the end all. What is the last Retro game that won game of the year? That was revolutionary? They are a good developer but there are tons of good developers and several with much more ambitious track records in the last 10 years. Some of the questionable aspects of Zelda, do not necessarily change if Retro is the developer. You think Retro could take the Zelda ip and do as they please? Voice acting? Steam punk?Blood? Boobs? Nope. They would deal with the same bottlenecks the Zelda development team deals with in Japan from the old executive guard (Miyamoto).
You would get a smaller development team with less experience developing a Zelda game. You would probably get something that plays like Darksiders without the M rating and without the voice acting. There is your Retro Zelda.
Including extremely primitive planning and shared technology from motion plus. But all of the team members have been involved in multiple Zelda games since 2006. Most have been involved in 2-3 Zeldas between 2006 and 2011. There was no dedicated staff working on this game ALONE for 5 years.
Predictions in last weeks thread are for this week which is put up by Media Create next week.
I still have no clue what it is that makes everyone think that Retro should make a Zelda game. Is there a real reason, is it that Shiek game rumor, or is it just that you guys thank that everything Retro touches is gold? And for the love of god please tell me it's not about graphics.