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Wololo message to Sony (also another game that will also homebrew on Vita)
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
He also knows where this shit leads, and still insists on allowing his shit to fall into the wrong hands.
ColtraineGF
Member
Well, from his site, it was more like he (didn't want to work on/didn't care enough to work on) integrating one:
http://wololo.net/wagic/2010/05/25/can-half-byte-loader-run-isos/
Glorious Ownage
Member
Does hot shots tennis actually work on the vita?
This sucks I was hoping that'd come to the us store
I sold my psp and had a game save with like 40 hours on it. Such a great game.
This sucks I was hoping that'd come to the us store
I sold my psp and had a game save with like 40 hours on it. Such a great game.Yes, that is not contradictory to what I said. He could have but choose not to. That's what specifically designing a "product" to not do something means.
Seraphinianus
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Damon Bennet
Member
Sooo... I want a dreamcast emulator on this thing. Wish those guys the best luck. i dont care for piracy, I just want to play my dreamcast collection on the go.
ColtraineGF
Member
Working against an idea from the outset is different from designing something for some purpose, but not really caring what else is done with it.
In any case, he's smart enough to know that his work doesn't exist in a vacuum. He knows that other people are working along the same paths he is. I doubt Sony will actually say, "Hey, let's just leave this unpatched game up, it's obvious that this exploit will just be used for homebrew
" because every exploit found on the PSP eventually led to things beyond 'just homebrew'.It's bad though that Sony didn't refund people for those taken down games. That at least should be fixed. At least have the companies fix the games and put them back up, or something.
LiquidMetal14
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Blue Submarine No. 6
Member
I didn't know this, so I went and looked in my download list in Media Go, and low and behold, Motorstorm AE is conspicuous by its absense... So, I fired off a little missive to Sony Support:
I hope they refund me my $40
lol - ya right!
Blue Submarine No. 6
Member
Um, he's derisively refering to the fact that the exploit allows people to play homebrew NES, Atari and other emulators on the Vita...
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
His loader hasn't fallen into anybody's hand in terms of opening it to piracy, though. People have tried, but isos can't be loaded through his HBL. Anything that does that was created from separate methods.
The Faceless Master
Member
i called this weeks ago... bet that isn't even the right game!
chickdigger802
Banned
So... is this the right time to pick up a vita and never bring it online?
He says running homebrew games. Which would not include any emulators, because emulators are not homebrew games. And anyone involved in emulators can't seriously say that his work isn't used for piracy at all. I mean ScummVM/SCI has active checks and incompatibilities for pirated/cracked copies. Still no developer would say that it isn't used at all by people pirating those games. I know it is. We get lots of bug reports/forum posts about those. We ban those people, but they come again and again.
And he should be smart enough to know, that other people will crack/hack those exploits and use them for PSP/Vita piracy. Just take a look at Wii Homebrew Channel. I don't believe that anyone involved in such tasks could seriously deny their work being used for piracy, even if their own motivations are seriously innocent.
And pirating old games (NES, etc.) is still pirating. Yes, emulators also have legitimate uses, but just like ScummVM, many people use it for piracy. And his blog post seems like "Sony, why do you care, we only pirate old games from Non-Sony consoles".
The Faceless Master
Member
i honestly don't know why Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft keep releasing new videogame hardware when some people obviously are going to use them for piracy.
BibiMaghoo
Member
I'm fairly stunned that anyone would suggest that PS3 saves should not be able to be moved.....
I don't see why people should lose save data, because some kids are playing around with the saves to cheat a system that means nothing whatsoever.
You don't actually get anything for trophies you know.....
I am on my 6th PS3, 4 have failed, 1 I sold and 1 still works. I don't see why I should lose my saves because someone feels bad their trophy number is lower than someone's that cheated.
On topic, I'm pretty sure that Sony would already know about the exploit, and I'm also sure that the blog was not very funny at all.
I don't see why people should lose save data, because some kids are playing around with the saves to cheat a system that means nothing whatsoever.
You don't actually get anything for trophies you know.....
I am on my 6th PS3, 4 have failed, 1 I sold and 1 still works. I don't see why I should lose my saves because someone feels bad their trophy number is lower than someone's that cheated.
On topic, I'm pretty sure that Sony would already know about the exploit, and I'm also sure that the blog was not very funny at all.
I don't keep up on the PSP Homebrew/Cracking scene, but there have been many groups cracking the PSP, all with their own methods and intentions, they see themselves as rivals. Wololo seemed to exploited the psp using HBL, which apparently cannot be used for piracy.
Guy sounds like a douche.
I'm surprised that some can be so nieve to think that any sort of hacking/cracking/jailbreaking/glitching wont be used to pirate games, because I don't think I have seen a console, handheld or mobile that once opened up hasn't been used for such purposes by plenty of people.
I'm surprised that some can be so nieve to think that any sort of hacking/cracking/jailbreaking/glitching wont be used to pirate games, because I don't think I have seen a console, handheld or mobile that once opened up hasn't been used for such purposes by plenty of people.
Wow, how come no one made a thread specifically about this?
Hot Shots "Get a Grip"... obviously that's the joke.
But seeing how HBL cannot be used for isos, why the snarky letter ripe with cynicism directed to Sony in the first place?
I think it's commendable to go out of your way to create a homebrew that doesn't lead to piracy, but did Sony target him, I see no need for that letter.
But seeing how HBL cannot be used for isos, why the snarky letter ripe with cynicism directed to Sony in the first place?
I think it's commendable to go out of your way to create a homebrew that doesn't lead to piracy, but did Sony target him, I see no need for that letter.
E-fame. The guy sees himself as a shining beacon for a very niche "legit homebrew only" community and thinks he's making a statement.
How much money has Sony put into the Vita? Rampant piracy would not only kill the system, it could also be the death knell for Sony as a whole. I'd hate to see that.
whatsinaname
Member
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Isn't PS3 piracy pretty widespread? (Or is that sarcasm that I didn't catch?)
It seems HBL is running in user mode and for at least Vita/PSP(?) piracy, you would need kernel mode. Anyway, piracy via emulators is still possible (the mentioned 20 year old 8-bit games, although this includes SNES and N64 games). And it seems even PS1/PSX games could work that way (he mentioned that in the FAQ). So his "joke" blog post is even worse. At least the theoretical PS1/PSX games support would be at least one real reason for Sony to stop it. Even forgetting about the ability that this hack enables other hackers to access usermode and being able to run their own programs there, which would help at least a bit in hacking it further (think PS3/Linux, that Sony even supported themselves). Saying it can't be used for piracy at all just isn't true. It can't be used directly to pirate Vita and possibly PSP games, but that's basically it.
Its not widespread at all, in fact I don't think I've ever seen any stories about people getting pirated software to run on ps3.
Not sure about piracy, but the Homebrew scene has died down a lot. They were pretty confident that Sony would never be able to stop future exploits and then one firmware update later they were proven all wrong.
whatsinaname
Member
That's surprising. I was in a game shop in India recently looking for a DSi charger and there were a couple of kids there who were getting PS3 games copied onto their HDDs. They were getting Modern Warfare 3 and FIFA 12, so I assumed PS3 piracy was as widespread as on the xbo 360 and ps2.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Pirated software was running on the PS3 last year. Haven't paid attention if the scene is still active but yes, the system was cracked and someone could run pirated software on it if they felt to do so.
I'd like to use this as a podium to say that Sony needs to put more PSP games on Vita because I know there's tons of people willing to double-dip for the gems of last gen on Vita.
Just.. shit like this.. pisses me off so much. Go do something productive instead of trying to hack everything in existence.
Just.. shit like this.. pisses me off so much. Go do something productive instead of trying to hack everything in existence.
Freyjadour
Member
Yes, "productive", otherwise known as the list of things that Sony would approve of.
Metallix87
Member
Sony has some really terrible customer service. Expect a "deal with it".
PSP HBL had the same promise but other hackers will always try to make an ISO loader.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Maybe because if he won't broadcast it then someone else will? I like what he is doing as he is pretty much warning Sony.
charlequin
Banned
If there's anything wrong with Sony's handling of saves, it's that they allow far more locked saves (and far fewer ways to effectively back them up) than Microsoft. In an ideal world they wouldn't allow save locking, save encryption, or anything else that restricts access to save files. People getting upset about the existence of hacked trophies is like the worst reason imaginable to lock down saves.
Blue Submarine No. 6
Member
hmm... I guess I could start a thread to document my adventures with this issue if it is deemed thread-worthy... I've never started a thread before, but there's a first time for everything I guess...
And this is shaping up like it could be an amusing run. Here's the email response I received from Sony Customer Service this afternoon:
It's very polite, and appears to genuinely want to be helpful. Unfortunately, after spending 20 minutes on PSN on my PSPgo (just in case you can only access the game from a PSP, as opposed to using Media Go or my PS3), I can state with absolute certainty that Motorstorm Arctic Edge is NOT on PSN in any way shape or form. So this is some seriously misguided shit they're shoveling...
No, the arctic PSP game that is used to hack the Vita. Did you even read the OP?
H_Prestige
Banned
I hate locked saves. I want to be able to take my Dark Souls save and put it on a USB drive or back it up to a computer.
If they're worried about people hacking their save files and getting to level 10000 or something, can't they make it so that you can copy them but not edit them?
If they're worried about people hacking their save files and getting to level 10000 or something, can't they make it so that you can copy them but not edit them?
Audioboxer
Member
Really?
Yeah the homebrew scene enjoy your work, are grateful and wish it could coincide without any issues... but it doesn't, homebrew never has as it's usually somewhat of a security concern.
Writing a retarded letter like that, internet "lulz" or not just makes me think lesser of his character as a person. Keep working on what you're good at, and leave the lame jokes for someone else.
Is every single person who has talent in the field of homebrew or reverse engineering always some intolerable idiot when it comes to being able to conduct themselves socially? The amount of drama and silliness with the PS3 homebrew, and now a letter like this leads me to believe it's simply impossible for someone like me to ever be talented in that field of "work".
Yeah the homebrew scene enjoy your work, are grateful and wish it could coincide without any issues... but it doesn't, homebrew never has as it's usually somewhat of a security concern.
Writing a retarded letter like that, internet "lulz" or not just makes me think lesser of his character as a person. Keep working on what you're good at, and leave the lame jokes for someone else.
Is every single person who has talent in the field of homebrew or reverse engineering always some intolerable idiot when it comes to being able to conduct themselves socially? The amount of drama and silliness with the PS3 homebrew, and now a letter like this leads me to believe it's simply impossible for someone like me to ever be talented in that field of "work".
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Have you looked at the PSP scene at all? Are you seriously going to play dumb, like nothing can come of him and his Loader exploits? Much like the original PSP scene it's going to take time, but once the door's opened, it's not good. Plus you can bet these guys are testing other PSP games, demos, and save states looking for a way in.
test_account
XP-39C²
I am not quite sure what he (Wololo) tries to accomplish with this bad sarcastic post. He really thinks that a company will allow exploits to be open/unpatched because of this? I cant imagine that any companies thinks "oh, this exploits allows things to do that could lead to your system getting hacked, but maybe there is a small chance for it, so we wont bother to fix the exploit".
Or maybe he feels guilty that Sony took Motorstorm Artic Edge off the PS Store due to his work/posting on that this game could be used for exploiting? Or maybe it was just his way of venting somehow, nothing wrong with that though.
EDIT: Nevermind, Wololo says that he just ment it in a humorous way =)
Or maybe he feels guilty that Sony took Motorstorm Artic Edge off the PS Store due to his work/posting on that this game could be used for exploiting? Or maybe it was just his way of venting somehow, nothing wrong with that though.
EDIT: Nevermind, Wololo says that he just ment it in a humorous way =)
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Most devs/pubs that do it, say they are preserving it for the leaderboard functions or some shit like that, make the game fair/balanced
Remember the COD change your name color, or use different icons in your tags, some went and changed their color to green to take advantage of it, not super detrimental, but you get the gist of it
test_account
XP-39C²
Apparently his post was just ment to be humorous and not sarcastic:
I also have to apologize for the bitterness and not-so-funny post when I announced wth’s exploit this morning. Not everybody is a born humorist. Although if I had to guess, I’d say people who didn’t find it funny are the people who actually bought Ridge Racer . Seriously though, my point was not to sound arrogant towards Sony, but to announce the release in a humorous post. So, apologies to many people on other websites who apparently didn’t catch that, I agree it’s difficult to understand where this post is coming from if you haven’t been following this blog regularly.
http://wololo.net/wagic/2012/03/25/the-responsibility-of-hackers
I also have to apologize for the bitterness and not-so-funny post when I announced wth’s exploit this morning. Not everybody is a born humorist. Although if I had to guess, I’d say people who didn’t find it funny are the people who actually bought Ridge Racer
. Seriously though, my point was not to sound arrogant towards Sony, but to announce the release in a humorous post. So, apologies to many people on other websites who apparently didn’t catch that, I agree it’s difficult to understand where this post is coming from if you haven’t been following this blog regularly.http://wololo.net/wagic/2012/03/25/the-responsibility-of-hackers
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