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Hypertrooper · Jun 20, 2012

Steelyuhas said:
I think it's pretty clear that although it probably isn't going to be a WOW clone, the games structure will have MMO properties to it.

Still there is a difference between properties and "The game is a MMO". Activision and Bungie are not dumb. They both know hopefully that a MMO is not the perfect introduction game to a new Universe. Especially the case of TOR shows that even a strong licensed game with solid gameplay does not deliver profit to the publishers. Let us face it: The Old Republic was a big failure, financially, for EA, LucasArts and BioWare. A MMO a) is expensive in a long-term; b) needs consistent user base which is not guaranteed. Do not forget that Blizzard is working on their new "rumored Sci-fi" MMO "Titan". Why should Activision release a MMO when their partner is going to release one too? The thought that Bungie's new game is a MMO is dumb. The game will focus on Singleplayer but with "massively-multiplayer style" elements. This could mean a world map like Hybrid, Chromhounds or a trading system like EVE.

ElzarTheBam · Jun 20, 2012

Halo in 1080p, 60fps will "suck up all the power you have in next gen" - John Carmack

Kuroyume · Jun 20, 2012

monsterfracas said:
It's been a quiet few days for HaloGAF.

People just...stopped posting.

Garrett 2U · Jun 20, 2012

monsterfracas said:
It's been a quiet few days for HaloGAF.

People just...stopped posting.

Everyone has been busy playing Reach.
Grinding away at that Firefight.
And 20 multiplayer games for 4300 credits!

Biggest-Geek-Ever · Jun 20, 2012

ElzarTheBam said:
Halo in 1080p, 60fps will "suck up all the power you have in next gen" - John Carmack

I doubt that'd be true even if console didn't force devs to make truly optimal engines.

Of course, his argument is that innovations like motion control are what drive sales, which I can get behind. That said, though, I do think next-gen consoles will be able to get quite a bit out of consumers just by offering graphically superior products. Star Wars 1313 made quite a splash at E3 because it looked unprecedented, visually, and Watch_Dogs impressive graphics helped it to really blow people away.

Hypertrooper · Jun 20, 2012

ElzarTheBam said:
Halo in 1080p, 60fps will "suck up all the power you have in next gen" - John Carmack

The topic of this article is: "Controllers are boring, Kinect, Move does not exist in my world, Next Gen is going to be only a update in terms of graphic, my virtual reality headset is going to revolutionize the gaming world"

The first comment was lol. Xbox 360 is at its limit. Still he says that games are going to get better graphics. Nope. It is at its limit. He is right with story etc.

JuanGGZ · Jun 20, 2012

Not sure if skulls are really out, or if it's just an error from UK OXM.

Hypertrooper · Jun 20, 2012

JuanGGZ said:
Not sure if skulls are really out, or if it's just an error from UK OXM.

Franklin is the Lead designer for PvP. And skulls were never part of the competitive aspect of Halo.

FyreWulff · Jun 20, 2012

It's pretty true though.

Number of pixels rendered to make a final Halo image on 360 @ 720p (HDR, so 3 views per render):

2,764,800 per frame(82,944,000 pixels per second)

1080p native with HDR @ 60FPS:

6,220,800 per frame (373,248,000 pixels per second)

So now you need to push around 3x the pixels AND bump it up to twice the update rate? Yeah, sure.

1080p isn't going to be a standard next gen. Actual 720p native as a baseline with some 1080p games? Okay.

Biggest-Geek-Ever · Jun 20, 2012

There are multiplayer skulls? Wat

Edit: Well, at least I'm not that much of a Halo knob.

Shadders · Jun 20, 2012

I think Carmack is probably looking at the specs from a PC developer's perspective. It would be unwise to think that the console is going to offer similar performance to a PC with the same specs. In reality the console will be able to do much more.

If you tried to run Rage on a PC from 2005 with the same specs as the 360 it would probably melt, whereas the game runs fine on an Xbox. So where the paper the specs of the Nextbox might suggest it's underpowered, in terms of the games we'll actually see running on it, I'm sure it will be fine.

Gabotron ES · Jun 20, 2012

HaloGAF is dead lol

Shadders · Jun 20, 2012

Maybe everyone got banned.

ElzarTheBam · Jun 20, 2012

Gabotron ES said:
HaloGAF is dead lol

I demand more Halo 4 news! Demand, I say!

Tha Robbertster · Jun 20, 2012

ElzarTheBam said:
I demand more Halo 4 news! Demand, I say!

If you would've listened to Robbert's predictions, you'd know we'll get some news in 2 weeks!

ElzarTheBam · Jun 20, 2012

Tha Robbertster said:
If you would've listened to Robbert's predictions, you'd know we'll get some news in 2 weeks!

Ah yes, I forgot how accurate these Robbert predictions were. Thank you, nerves are calmed.

FyreWulff · Jun 20, 2012

Gabotron ES said:
HaloGAF is dead lol

My electric company is giving me a launch-Reach level payout here

ElzarTheBam said:
I demand more Halo 4 news! Demand, I say!

Halo 4 confirmed to have guns, possibly bullets

http://forums.halo.xbox.com/yaf_postst90082_Which-3-BTB-maps-would-you-remove-from-MM.aspx

Waypoint Thread said:
Which 3 BTB maps would you remove from MM and why. Please note that I have not included any DLC based maps or variants since they rarely crop up. Also, I was going to include a poll but it only allowed up to ten choices.

Mentions up to and including post #65:

Cragmire - 18
Spire - 14
Paradiso - 12
Boardwalk - 10
Boneyard - 10
Hemorrhage - 9
Asphalt - 8
Utopie - 6
Graveyard - 5
Wayont - 4
Abridged - 4
Mt Lam Lam - 4
Renegade - 3
Delta facility - 3
Rasu - 2
Trident - 1

The Real Napsta · Jun 20, 2012

too much eslim said:
why you say that? This new franchise allows them to do the things they wanted to do with Halo, but couldn't because they had to stay within the series in their minds. Plus they will most likely have the features that have been cut in Halo 4. So I can see people liking Bungie's new game more.

Look at the last game they made.

Striker said:
Epitaph/Prologue

Epilogue right?

Striker · Jun 20, 2012

FyreWulff said:
http://forums.halo.xbox.com/yaf_postst90082_Which-3-BTB-maps-would-you-remove-from-MM.aspx

Remove Wayont or at least get its framerate from the 'Hog spawn fixed. Why was the shield door added, and the extra pieces in the battlefield? In the ILoveBTB vids they had a different variant, and Bungie set this out and it's fairly different. Also Paradiso, lol. Why is this shit still in MM when Utopie was supposedly replacing it? Epitaph/Prologue, Snowbound/Boundless, Pit/Pit Stop all over again. At least The Cage was cut completely, AFAIK.

squidhands · Jun 20, 2012

Deadly Cyclone said:
Done with that level, just had to make sure to EMP everything on the turret.

Plasma rifles do wonders to Elite shields.

Stopping at Long Night of Solace for today. That space battle gives me chills just thinking about it on Legendary. Not to metnion the area where you defend Jorge.

First time I did a no-deaths run, I couldn't glitch myself into the Pelican and use the gun, so I had to do it the hard way. If you never fire a shot at the Elites in that last section, they with ignore you and go for Jorge. It takes some time and a little hiding, but you can assassinate them all if you can get them alone.

Tunavi said:
got my tickets to RTX, I play Halo 4 in 17 days

The timing is terrible, I have to be out of town that weekend. booooooooooooooo

Deadly Cyclone · Jun 20, 2012

squidhands said:
First time I did a no-deaths run, I couldn't glitch myself into the Pelican and use the gun, so I had to do it the hard way. If you never fire a shot at the Elites in that last section, they with ignore you and go for Jorge. It takes some time and a little hiding, but you can assassinate them all if you can get them alone.

Had no idea there was a Pelican glitch, that may help. Otherwise I'll try your suggestion. Is the space combat doable on Legendary?

Overdoziz · Jun 20, 2012

Deadly Cyclone said:
Had no idea there was a Pelican glitch, that may help. Otherwise I'll try your suggestion. Is the space combat doable on Legendary?

The space area is very easy.

The Henery · Jun 20, 2012

MM population counter has frozen at 90000 for four or five days now.

Gabotron ES · Jun 20, 2012

Heavies is lots of fun if you know how to play it, I always end up on top of the scoreboard.

Deadly Cyclone · Jun 20, 2012

Gabotron ES said:
Heavies is lots of fun if you know how to play it, I always end up on top of the scoreboard.

Find power weapon, kill everyone in a vehicle?

Overdoziz · Jun 20, 2012

Gabotron ES said:
Heavies is lots of fun if you know how to play it, I always end up on top of the scoreboard.

That's probably because nearly everyone in BTB plays like they're holding the controller with their butt-cheeks.

Gabotron ES · Jun 20, 2012

Deadly Cyclone said:
Find power weapon, kill everyone in a vehicle?

Funnily enough I don't usually pick up power weapons (except for plasma pistol, I slways have one on my pocket), I guess it has more to do with your playstyle.

Also, in case you didn't know: if you put some shots with your AR/BR on a vehicle while it's getting lasered/plasma launchered it'll give you the kill, I have earnt lots of laser medals with my AR lol

Overdoz1z said:
That's probably because nearly everyone in BTB plays like they're holding the controller with their butt-cheeks.

Gui_PT · Jun 20, 2012

The only thing that's better than BTB is Elite Only BTB

The Henery · Jun 20, 2012

Thought "I'll have a quick few games of Halo before work"

Go into Snipers playlist

Hemorrhage top of the voting list as usual: instant 6 votes

Fuck the playerbase. I wondered if I should enter the playlist based on the risk of that map showing up. It's the most boring, life sapping gametype map combo in the game.

Second thing wrong: I start to wonder why my shots are registering a second late. Check the opponent mid game: He's from fucking Brazil. Edit: 2 guys from Brazil

People lauded reach's netcode frothingly but these last few months my opinion of it has undergone a massive revision. It's basically started to fall apart to the point where it's unplayable as a competitive game past a certain time at night. P2P.

Anyway, after one of theirs quit in that Hem game I've decided to sit in a corner of the map. Awful again from Reach.

squidhands · Jun 20, 2012

Deadly Cyclone said:
Had no idea there was a Pelican glitch, that may help. Otherwise I'll try your suggestion. Is the space combat doable on Legendary?

Overdoz1z said:
The space area is very easy.

Yeah, the space sections are stupidly easy. If your shields go down, just haul ass behind the station or carrier and wait for them to recharge.

Gui_PT said:
The only thing that's better than BTB is Elite Only BTB

Don't know why more people don't like the Elite-only combat. Jump height, run speed, and shield/health recharge is way more similar to older Halos. Only real issue that I can remember was the Needler loadout (Evade is/was a universal problem).

Overdoziz · Jun 20, 2012

I've long ago decided to never sit through a Sniper game on Hemorrhage ever again.

Deadly Cyclone · Jun 20, 2012

By the way Wu, that was me you just for a FB request from.

Arnie · Jun 20, 2012

Overdoz1z said:
I've long ago decided to never sit through a Sniper game on Hemorrhage ever again.

I think I established this rule around November, 2010.

The Henery · Jun 20, 2012

Overdoz1z said:
I've long ago decided to never sit through a Sniper game on Hemorrhage ever again.

Anyone else feel that as the time goes by with Reach they've become increasingly intolerant of playing bullshit in MM they flat DO NOT WANT TO PLAY. Like Rocket Race in multiteam? Snipes on Hem? AR start gametypes at night when the pistol shoots hot air?

It's driving me away from the game honestly. I want to scratch Forge World off my disc so I only play base maps for one thing.

kylej · Jun 20, 2012

I find the concept of being forced to choose specific playlists with specific content that somebody else decided on to be increasingly outdated.

Overdoziz · Jun 20, 2012

kylej said:
I find the concept of being forced to choose specific playlists with specific content that somebody else decided on to be increasingly outdated.

But a custom browser won't work because people will put naughty things in the server name!

TheOddOne · Jun 20, 2012

*Opens last page of thread*

*Sees sexy grunt butt*

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Recarpo · Jun 20, 2012

kylej said:
I find the concept of being forced to choose specific playlists with specific content that somebody else decided on to be increasingly outdated.

I don't mind it as much if the playlists/maps/gametypes are managed well. But since that never really seems to happen, I don't see why a custom browser, or something of the sort, isn't becoming more standard.

Fuchsdh · Jun 20, 2012

Recarpo said:
I don't mind it as much if the playlists/maps/gametypes are managed well. But since that never really seems to happen, I don't see why a custom browser, or something of the sort, isn't becoming more standard.

Well, there's the rub. Everyone's opinion of what's being managed well (both in the actual management, and in the actual content they are managing) is different. I like Rocket Race (then again I don't play Multi-Team all the time so I'm not confronted with it often), I like AR starts on lots of maps. Lots of people don't like those. But for console games I really don't see how switching to a custom games lobby would really work out that well. Even on immensely popular PC games it can be incredible hard to find what you want to play--case in point, good luck matchmaking a gametype that's not on the first page of the StarCraft II browser--it can take hours to fill up for a game of Eras Zombie Invasion, and then the likelihood is someone will quit and ruin the game five minutes in.

Maybe a compromise would be a way to broadcast certain custom or fringe types for specialty matchmaking so people could fill up those without trying to hit the lottery in the main playlists.

too much eslim · Jun 20, 2012

343i is it really a choice in giving me 3 different game types on the same map?

FyreWulff · Jun 20, 2012

thee henery said:
Anyone else feel that as the time goes by with Reach they've become increasingly intolerant of playing bullshit in MM they flat DO NOT WANT TO PLAY. Like Rocket Race in multiteam? Snipes on Hem? AR start gametypes at night when the pistol shoots hot air?

It's driving me away from the game honestly. I want to scratch Forge World off my disc so I only play base maps for one thing.

Gametype tolerance has dropped later in every Halo game's run for me. As time goes on you figure out what you don't like at all and what you don't love, versus launch and near launch where you'll play basically anything given to you because it's playing.

I don't think I've played a single game of Team Snipers (and if I did, I forgot when I played it) because of how boring and dull it was in Halo 3. If I got it on Hem or some shit I'd probably just throw my Xbox out the window.

Fuchsdh · Jun 20, 2012

FyreWulff said:
Gametype tolerance has dropped later in every Halo game's run for me. As time goes on you figure out what you don't like at all and what you don't love, versus launch and near launch where you'll play basically anything given to you because it's playing.

I don't think I've played a single game of Team Snipers (and if I did, I forgot when I played it) because of how boring and dull it was in Halo 3. If I got it on Hem or some shit I'd probably just throw my Xbox out the window.

I have yet to find someone who can convince me Team Snipers is a good gametype anyhow. Something that increases camping = bad in my book.

As little as Headhunter ever pops up in MM, what I enjoy most about the gametype is that it actively discourages any sort of static playstyle.

too much eslim · Jun 20, 2012

Fuchsdh said:
I have yet to find someone who can convince me Team Snipers is a good gametype anyhow. Something that increases camping = bad in my book.

As little as Headhunter ever pops up in MM, what I enjoy most about the gametype is that it actively discourages any sort of static playstyle.

oh snap i forgot about headhunter. I should play some FFA.

Striker · Jun 20, 2012

Fuchsdh said:
I have yet to find someone who can convince me Team Snipers is a good gametype anyhow. Something that increases camping = bad in my book.

As little as Headhunter ever pops up in MM, what I enjoy most about the gametype is that it actively discourages any sort of static playstyle.

Putting in unlimited ammo is a terrible decision.

Overdoziz · Jun 20, 2012

Fuchsdh said:
I have yet to find someone who can convince me Team Snipers is a good gametype anyhow. Something that increases camping = bad in my book.

As little as Headhunter ever pops up in MM, what I enjoy most about the gametype is that it actively discourages any sort of static playstyle.

People rarely camp on good Team Sniper maps. i.e. ones that aren't huge.

Tawpgun · Jun 20, 2012

Overdoz1z said:
But a custom browser won't work because people will put naughty things in the server name!

Custom browser would work but it better not replace matchmaking. It's a lot harder to get a party into a server with custom browsers. That, and if players host them they're gonna be kicking you for donging too hard.

Matchmaking is the best system so far. An ideal system would be, Matchmaking, pre-game lobby style for ranked/competetive playlists. Join in progress for Social playlists. Custom browser with player BOUGHT/Rented servers for custom games.

FyreWulff · Jun 20, 2012

Fuchsdh said:
I have yet to find someone who can convince me Team Snipers is a good gametype anyhow. Something that increases camping = bad in my book.

As little as Headhunter ever pops up in MM, what I enjoy most about the gametype is that it actively discourages any sort of static playstyle.

I still can't believe it's gone like 2 games now with not even KotH. It's just Team Slayer with one weapon. How does this piece of shit support being it's own playlist I'll never know.

too much eslim · Jun 20, 2012

Did Bungie ever say why they got rid of the covie sniper? I liked that sniper more than the human one.

Gabotron ES · Jun 20, 2012

H4's forge really needs to have maps with different daytimes, no more shitty FX's pls.

too much eslim said:
Did Bungie ever say why they got rid of the covie sniper? I liked that sniper more than the human one.

Promethean sniper is pretty much confirmed, no word on a covenant one yet.

too much eslim · Jun 20, 2012

Gabotron ES said:
Promethean sniper is pretty much confirmed, no word on a covenant one yet.

that is cool, but I am talking about Reach. I wonder why they took out the covie sniper. Honestly I don't even want to play with any covenant weapons after seeing the promethean's weapons on display. I am ready to vaporize people.

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