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randomengine · Nov 18, 2012

hioh631 said:
Pretty much how I feel too, but I did get Black OPS 2. Everything else I need to see more before making any other purchase decisions. Besides that Black OPS 2, NintendoLand and NSMBU will last me a long time. No rush to get any other games.

On page 70 there is a list of games that are developed by their original dev team for the Wii U port and a list of games that outsourced their Wii U development. I would trust the originals list and ignore the outsourced list......I saw some of those Batman screens and they look terrible. The outsourced ones are going to be hatchet jobs...

"Original Developers
Call of Duty: Black Ops II (Treyarch)
Darksiders II (Vigil Games)
FIFA Soccer 13 (EA Canada)
Just Dance 4 (Ubisoft Paris)
Madden NFL 13 (EA Tiburon)
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (Team Ninja)
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed (Sumo Digital)
Tank! Tank! Tank! (Namco)
Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition (Namco)
Transformers Prime: The Game (Now Production)
Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper (Omega Force)

Outsourced Developers
Assassin's Creed III (Ubisoft Quebec)
Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition (WB Games Montreal)
Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two (Heavy Iron Studios)
Mass Effect III: Special Edition (Straight Right)
Skylanders: Giants (Vicarious Visions) "

Learning new hardware is hard enough. Learning new code AND learning new hardware? The outsourced games are going to look worse than the original list I bet.

Linkhero1 · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
Explain to me how a fucking Gamestop doesn't even get 20 freaking Wii U.

What the fuck happened in the production lines!?

Mine got at least 20. What did yours tell you?

BY2K · Nov 18, 2012

And it's not like I can be refunded and try to get one somewhere else. Gamestop doesn't do that, they'll just give me back the value of what I paid in store credits.

And I STILL have to get there tomorrow to get my games.

FoxMcCloudDS · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
So, I get back from a crappy day of week-end work, to my father saying Gamestop called to say they won't have enough Wii U for every pre-orders, including mine.

I pre-ordered on the 16th, 3 days after the pre-orders opened, it's paid in full, I was below 20th on the list (somewhere between 10th and 15th, counting both Basic and Deluxe.

I'm fucking boiling right now.

Your local store is full of a bunch of idiots. Not your fault, but the corporate office told us that any reserves done after around 5pm the next day (after pre-orders started getting taken) wouldn't be fulfilled and they were told to stop taking preorders. We even got a phone call at the store from our corporate headquarters warning that (along with like 4 emails).

Sorry your gamestop didn't follow directions set forth by our corporate office. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the employees don't just grab them even if they didn't pre-order it.

The Elite · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
And it's not like I can be refunded and try to get one somewhere else. Gamestop doesn't do that, they'll just give me back the value of what I paid in store credits.

And I STILL have to get there tomorrow to get my games.

Did you pay in cash? They should give you your cash back. They won't refund store credit from trades though.

Linkhero1 · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
And it's not like I can be refunded and try to get one somewhere else. Gamestop doesn't do that, they'll just give me back the value of what I paid in store credits.

And I STILL have to get there tomorrow to get my games.

As far as I know they have to give you your money back. Who told you they give it back in credit unless you traded in games and/or used a giftcard.

BlankaBR · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
Explain to me how a fucking Gamestop doesn't even get 20 freaking Wii U.

What the fuck happened in the production lines!?

Man if I were you I would demand some sort of compensation, you preorder 3 days before and they tell u no console available tomorrow?? Take your money back and go to the closest best buy for a midnight launch

CTE · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
And it's not like I can be refunded and try to get one somewhere else. Gamestop doesn't do that, they'll just give me back the value of what I paid in store credits.

And I STILL have to get there tomorrow to get my games.

They have to give you your money back in whatever form you paid (eg. Credit Card, Debit, Cash).

Edit- Yeah. If you traded in games for credit towards the WiiU then you won't get anything back. Forgot about the trade in aspect.

TheNamelessOne · Nov 18, 2012

bkfount said:
Giant Bomb sounds kind of cynical and down on the system since it was announced. I like them, but don't know how much I'll watch of them cover it.

To be honest, they seem cynical and down on whatever I'm also cynical and down on, for example handheld consoles, Wii U and whatever. I guess that's why I'm sympathising with them quite often. Either way, it's interesting with a new console launch since it's been a few years since the last one.

BY2K · Nov 18, 2012

There's 86$ that was trade-in stuff. (OG 3DS and Code of Princess.)

zroid · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
And it's not like I can be refunded and try to get one somewhere else. Gamestop doesn't do that, they'll just give me back the value of what I paid in store credits.

Ugh

I won't ever pre-order from GameStop for this reason. At least other stores give you a refund.

MichaelVash7886 · Nov 18, 2012

I think I'm going to avoid streams now that I know the update is out. Just more than 5 and a half hours now.

Twinduct · Nov 18, 2012

DoctorWho said:
They seem cynical and down on everything I like. :/

I imagine they might get a stroke if someone sneaked up on them and whispered 'Vita' or 'Wii U'.

newsguy · Nov 18, 2012

TheGreatMightyPoo said:
Up to the individual developer but it takes only two lines of code to make it happen and many games support Off-TV play as of now.

Not all though.

Is there a site I can visit that will give me a list of all launch titles that use off-TV play ?

Erethian · Nov 18, 2012

bkfount said:
Giant Bomb sounds kind of cynical and down on the system since it was announced. I like them, but don't know how much I'll watch of them cover it.

Brad is the one who has been spending the most time with the system and he seems to like it, so I wouldn't say they're all down on it.

Linkhero1 · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
There's 86$ that was trade-in stuff. (OG 3DS and Code of Princess.)

Ouch. Do you know where your place is on the preorder list?

grap3fruitman · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
Explain to me how a fucking Gamestop doesn't even get 20 freaking Wii U.

What the fuck happened in the production lines!?

I TOLD YOU BRO, YOU BETTER PRE-ORDER OR YOU AIN'T GETTIN' ONE. I WARNED YOU, BRO.

Now how about a subscription to Game Informer? Are you interested in our Power-Up Rewards Card?

CTE · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
There's 86$ that was trade-in stuff. (OG 3DS and Code of Princess.)

You should get the difference back then. It is an unfulfilled transaction. They can't hold your money hostage. You should get the 86 on a giftcard and get the rest back in your bank account.

Krakatoa · Nov 18, 2012

Holy crap that update is taking its time.

Imagine what its going to be like tomorrow?!?

BY2K · Nov 18, 2012

Linkhero1 said:
Ouch. Do you know where your place is on the preorder list?

I remember being told between 10th and 15th on the list, and that includes both Basic and Deluxe bundles.

MichaelVash7886 · Nov 18, 2012

Krakatoa said:
Holy crap that update is taking its time.

Imagine what its going to be like tomorrow?!?

Actually one reason I'm glad I'm getting it tonight. That way if it does take forever I can just sleep for a bit and wake up early and play.

grap3fruitman · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
I remember being told between 10th and 15th on the list, and that includes both Basic and Deluxe bundles.

I'm pretty sure 20 is a bigger number than 11, 12, 13 and 14. That's just me though...

Linkhero1 · Nov 18, 2012

BY2K said:
I remember being told between 10th and 15th on the list, and that includes both Basic and Deluxe bundles.

Hopefully you get one then. There's just no way that they could fuck up their distribution. Then again, this is Gamestop we're talking about.

kunonabi · Nov 18, 2012

randomengine said:
On page 70 there is a list of games that are developed by their original dev team for the Wii U port and a list of games that outsourced their Wii U development. I would trust the originals list and ignore the outsourced list......I saw some of those Batman screens and they look terrible. The outsourced ones are going to be hatchet jobs...

"Original Developers
Call of Duty: Black Ops II (Treyarch)
Darksiders II (Vigil Games)
FIFA Soccer 13 (EA Canada)
Just Dance 4 (Ubisoft Paris)
Madden NFL 13 (EA Tiburon)
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (Team Ninja)
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed (Sumo Digital)
Tank! Tank! Tank! (Namco)
Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition (Namco)
Transformers Prime: The Game (Now Production)
Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper (Omega Force)

Outsourced Developers
Assassin's Creed III (Ubisoft Quebec)
Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition (WB Games Montreal)
Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two (Heavy Iron Studios)
Mass Effect III: Special Edition (Straight Right)
Skylanders: Giants (Vicarious Visions) "

Learning new hardware is hard enough. Learning new code AND learning new hardware? The outsourced games are going to look worse than the original list I bet.

I just hope Batman turns out well. What kind of reputation does WB Games Montreal have?

Juice · Nov 18, 2012

You know why GameStop get anemic hardware shipments? It's because the hardware makers can't stand GameStop's emphasis on pre-owned games. Of course they'll favor other stores, everything else being equal.

C.Dark.DN · Nov 18, 2012

Any cheap place to buy wii fit with balance board?

randomengine · Nov 18, 2012

kunonabi said:
I just hope Batman turns out well. What kind of reputation does WB Games Montreal have?

According to their own website, they mention Batman and.......Looney Tunes Scooby Doo Cartoon Universe, that's it.

Rocksteady they ain't. Ugh.

http://www.wbgamesmontreal.com/

Anticitizen One · Nov 18, 2012

I'm not really seeing the crowds or excitement this time as I did for previous systems. I don't know if it's because of the economy or because Wii U isn't exciting people the same way the Wii/360/ps3 did. I miss the crowds, riots, hype, etc.

led4lyfe · Nov 18, 2012

My Target can't even tell me how many they'll have in stock. When I asked how many preorders they had, the person said "hmmm 16??".

Kmart said they got 2 in, first come first serve.

Sears said they haven't received any shipment yet.

FYE said "we'll be selling whatever we have to the people who had preorders for a while"

BY2K · Nov 18, 2012

grap3fruitman said:
I'm pretty sure 20 is a bigger number than 11, 12, 13 and 14. That's just me though...

Fine, either they received less than 10 or less than 15 Wii U, I'm not EXACTLY sure where I am on the list.

C.Dark.DN · Nov 18, 2012

Anticitizen One said:
I'm not really seeing the crowds or excitement this time as I did for previous systems. I don't know if it's because of the economy or because Wii U isn't exciting people the same way the Wii/360/ps3 did. I miss the crowds, riots, hype, etc.

It may be the fact the preorders are confirmed even at retail stores. Call around.

This Walmart I'm at will sell out with 4 ppl in line.

TheNamelessOne · Nov 18, 2012

Anticitizen One said:
I'm not really seeing the crowds or excitement this time as I did for previous systems. I don't know if it's because of the economy or because Wii U isn't exciting people the same way the Wii/360/ps3 did. I miss the crowds, riots, hype, etc.

It's because the only "leap forward" Wii U presents in comparison to the earlier generation is a blend between physical and touch screen controls in synergy with a secondary minigame/inventory screen.

Dead Prince · Nov 18, 2012

MichaelVash7886 said:
Actually one reason I'm glad I'm getting it tonight. That way if it does take forever I can just sleep for a bit and wake up early and play.

unless it times out lol.

zroid · Nov 18, 2012

Anticitizen One said:
I miss the crowds, riots, hype, etc.

I definitely don't.

But it's a tad worrisome nonetheless

randomengine · Nov 18, 2012

Zeer0id said:
I definitely don't.

But it's a tad worrisome nonetheless

If they sell out of their systems, it won't matter if there are a bunch of people waiting in line or not. If launch stock is plentiful in stores around Christmas, you can begin to panic. I don't see that happening. I have already read many reports that state preorder volume for Wii U exceeds Wii. All that means is that most people learned their lesson from the 2006 debacle and pre-ordered this time around.

maniac-kun · Nov 18, 2012

Any livestream from a magazine site?

MichaelVash7886 · Nov 18, 2012

DMPrince said:
unless it times out lol.

Don't try to jinx it. haha

randomengine · Nov 18, 2012

If anything it means the non-gamers have moved onto to tablets and cell phones. Good riddance. I knew a lot of people who waited in line in 2006 for the Wii were simply scalpers, wanting to make a quick buck. The less of those assholes we have this cycle, the better.

HylianTom · Nov 18, 2012

There's a part of me that misses the lining-up, but for the most part I'm happy with how this year unfolded.

The main thing I didn't like about how this launch period went? The part of preordering where GameStop didn't give any sort of heads-up advance announcement whatsoever ("Hey - preorders start on XX/YY/ZZ - be there!") Instead, I had to find out haphazardly online, panic, and abandon work to get there in time. That was a bit assy of them.

And thanks for the link to the stream. I'm hoping for something other than NL tonight when this update is finally over..

Fantastical · Nov 18, 2012

Community Forum said:
So "if" someone gets homebrew working, would it be possible to have a "dolphin" type emulator to run Wii games in HD?

I'm pretty sure that will never happen because it's not possible. I'm no expert though. It takes more power than Wii U has to do it with any sort of reliability, I think.

randomengine · Nov 18, 2012

HylianTom said:
There's a part of me that misses the lining-up, but for the most part I'm happy with how this year unfolded.

The main thing I didn't like about how this launch period went? The part of preordering where GameStop didn't give any sort of heads-up advance announcement whatsoever ("Hey - preorders start on XX/YY/ZZ - be there!") Instead, I had to find out haphazardly online, panic, and abandon work to get there in time. That was a bit assy of them.

And thanks for the link to the stream. I'm hoping for something other than NL tonight when this update is finally over..

I imagine that having the street date and pricing announced so close to launch was part of the problem. Usually we have a much longer hype period.

Hobbestetrician · Nov 18, 2012

HylianTom said:
There's a part of me that misses the lining-up, but for the most part I'm happy with how this year unfolded.

The main thing I didn't like about how this launch period went? The part of preordering where GameStop didn't give any sort of heads-up advance announcement whatsoever ("Hey - preorders start on XX/YY/ZZ - be there!") Instead, I had to find out haphazardly online, panic, and abandon work to get there in time. That was a bit assy of them.

And thanks for the link to the stream. I'm hoping for something other than NL tonight when this update is finally over..

At this point for the Wii I had already been in line for like 15 hours in the cold outside in Michigan. I do miss that part of this launch but walking a block tomorrow morning and just grabbing my console will be nice.

HylianTom · Nov 18, 2012

randomengine said:
I imagine that having the street date and pricing announced so close to launch was part of the problem. Usually we have a much longer hype period.

Even back in 2006, the price & date announcement came out in roughly the same week of September, with pre-ordering dates announced shortly thereafter. Pre-ordering didn't happen at GameStop until the 13th of October - with plenty of lead warning to those who wanted to make arrangements for that day.

GameStop jumped the gun this year. :/

randomengine · Nov 18, 2012

Hobbestetrician said:
At this point for the Wii I had already been in line for like 15 hours in the cold outside in Michigan. I do miss that part of this launch but walking a block tomorrow morning and just grabbing my console will be nice.

I think there is a psychological thing going on where the more effort you put towards the system, the more you enjoy it.

soulassssns · Nov 18, 2012

Any retail games going to be available at launch on the eshop?

randomengine · Nov 18, 2012

Hobbestetrician said:
At this point for the Wii I had already been in line for like 15 hours in the cold outside in Michigan. I do miss that part of this launch but walking a block tomorrow morning and just grabbing my console will be nice.

I think online retailing has evolved a ton since 2006 as well.

antonz · Nov 18, 2012

randomengine said:
I think online retailing has evolved a ton since 2006 as well.

That and box retailers not wanting to deal with 300 people in a line. Heck there are grocery stores in the US that actually did preorders this time around. Retail probably likes this much better as its also safer for the customers.

Nostremitus · Nov 18, 2012

soulassssns said:
Any retail games going to be available at launch on the eshop?

First party and a few third if the stories are true.

GaimeGuy · Nov 18, 2012

yeah I notice the only places doing midnight release around here are the 24/7 walmarts.

C.Dark.DN · Nov 18, 2012

Got a chair yo!

randomengine said:
I think there is a psychological thing going on where the more effort you put towards the system, the more you enjoy it.

I wasn't planning to get it but now that I'm waiting I'm excited. It's for someone else.

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