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Let's talk Xbox 720: Xbox World shares everything it knows about the next console
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JonathanPower
Member
However, there are also rumors about the Xbox720 using a 16 Core IBM CPU, which would be a much better choice for MS.
Which makes sense when you consider how many companies are engineering their next gen engines around the capability of a 680.
It would surprise me if it all turned out to be a coincidence and these companies didnt have some strong indicators as to what the likely target specs were so they could best allocate their resources when attempting to get a head start on developing their next gen engines.
I'd bet just based on how typical console companies like SE are basing their engines around the 680 is a fairly solid indicator of the general ballpark next gen gpus are likely to r capable of.
Proelite
Member
MS is not going with IBM for the cpu, it's going with 8 jaguar cores at 1.6 ghz.
And how do you know this ?
Proelite
Member
Sweetvar26. Dude has leaked info a long time ago that has been removed from Gaf and Google Cache.
lwilliams3
Member
Yes, I believe those are reasonable expectations. I can also see a lot of people not noticing a lot of advancements in the beginning until Digital Foundry does comparisons.
tat was the last "confirmed" leak we got a few weeks back.
And does he have a 100% track record that you can provide verification for us so we don't conclude your just talking out your butt or asserting without justification that your favorite rumor is the only true one( no offense but i cant count how many times in the last 2 years people have made assertions they claimed have to be true only to be proven horrendously wrong)?
For those not in the know, is this good, bad, or what? How does that stack up compared to the current-gen consoles, the 360, PS3, and Wii U?
I'm not going to take his word for it. Even if that sounds good, 16 threads and 8 cores.
This + a 8850GPU and next-gen is ready to start.
In FP performance, yeah, but lag in single thread performance. So basically the CPU was better suited to graphics and physics than it was to run game code such as AI.
Which makes all the 16cores/threads rumors odd since Jaguar is a single thread core.
Edit:
There are better CPUs that could be in there, but with cost as a factor, it's not bad. Will definitely be a huge improvement over the CPUs in the PS3, 360, and Wii-U.
Proelite
Member
If Sweetvar26 is proven to be a fraud, I'll take a perma ban.
If Durango uses PowerPC as its main cpu, I'll also take a perma ban.
shiptoncraig
Neo Member
I know that a lot of these predictions turn out to be nonsense, but there's something about an 720 announcement that triggers the "waiting for the N64" feeling.
Oh huh, interesting. Heard from someone in the industry that Sony planned a calendar Q1 (Jan-Mar) reveal for PS4 and Microsoft had a calendar Q2 pre-E3 unveil for 720 in April or May, but it is entirely possible they were off.
Proelite
Member
Oh please let Sony be Jan-Mar.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
How was it removed from gaf and google? can you post it?
Proelite
Member
Either AMD or Sony asked for it to be taken down from Gaf and Google Cache. I can't post it since it'll be removed in minutes anyways. I am not sure I can find the info.
No, not quite even the AMD equivalent (7970 crippled by lowering the speed and using DDR3/4) lol
Proelite
Member
That's an oxymoron
Only if you don't actually understand technology.
I agree, maybe a 78xx or a 88xx if it even come out in time, and even those will have to be crippled
Proelite
Member
I would say customized instead of crippled.
Horse Armour
Member
StevieP
Doesn't actually understand technology or have insider info.
This guy is on some sort of crusade to convince GAF that the next gen consoles won't have a noticeable graphical leap even after he was completely wrong on all accounts of the Wii U's graphical power and even after the mods gave him that tag for clearly having no idea what he was talking about and referring back to his super duper secret sources any time anyone called him out on it.
quickwhips
Member
If MS is going with 1.6 ghz why did sony ask to take it down? I'm confused or did you write something incorrect in last part?
Proelite
Member
Maybe he is just trying to lower our expectations so that we'll be pleasantly surprised?
Sweetvar26 posted stuff about both Sony and MS and they were taken down.
Removing half the bandwidth due is a customization, that cripples performance
Did that not happened with x360/ps3?
Customized? Absolutely. But... Lowering the mhz, lowering the CUs, and using DDR3/4 = a "crippling" (though that's a harsh term). Just ask your typical budget notebook with a GTX 650M using DDR3 rather than a 650M using GDDR5. Benches are out there.
On the bright side, EDRam is going to help out on the console front.
Horse Armour said:
1) They will be a leap. A massive leap compared to current gen. Gigantic compared to the Wii U.
2) They will not be high end PCs. Unless one of the companies found a way to break the laws of phyics.
3) I was not wrong about the Wii U. Read my post history.
If you'd like to tag quote me, refute me.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Whoa...
Can you just put it in a word doc or notepad file and then upload it to mediashare or something? it won't be on gaf
Horse Armour
Member
Could use pastebin instead.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Yeah that's the one
Proelite
Member
Whatever they did with Xenos for the 360 is what I call customizing. There was no equivalent gpu in terms of architecture for a while on the market.
Proelite
Member
There is compilation on beyond3d.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1684112&postcount=16010
There also his first posts about Kyptos. Thebes and Jaguar which I can't seem to find anywhere.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I think I missed that one, please keep me in the loop
i meant pastebin is better to use
Cool, thanks. I remember reading the first quote before
shinobi602
Member
Sources please.
You of all people should know that DX12 is a long, long long ways out.
You should also know that there is no massive shift in GPU technology like unified shaders on the horizon.
That said, there is no doubt in anyone's mind that whatever MS has been working on in regards to adding to DX 11 is going to end up in the GPU and customized by AMD to not exactly match what's out in their consumer market cards at the time.
That doesn't mean they can break the laws of physics, though. You're still constrained in the console environment, so talk of 680 equivalents is still setting people up for disappointment.
shinobi602 said:
What, in regards to the laws of physics? The GTX 680 has an average (average!) power draw of 200w.
Proelite
Member
I didn't talk about 680 equivalent in hardware, but I firmly believe that the games will have graphics on the same level / beyond what gtx 680 can do visually.
How do you propose this to be the case?
Proelite
Member
Halo 4 is beyond what a x1900 could do on the PC.
Sources please.
Proelite
Member
Don't have any.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
This thread reminds me of the good old times, when the Dreamcast was just launched, and magazines would print pages and pages of crazy speculations about the Playstation 2...
I remember articles saying the PS2 was so powerful the US government banned it from Iraq because Sadam might use it to launch nukes lol
How convenient.