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IMO looks like they are going back to The Witcher 1 quest structure which was way better than 2.
EDIT: PART 2 of INTERVIEW IS LIVE
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CD Projekt On The Witcher 3s Open World, Beards [RPS interview]
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WAY MORE IN ARTICLE
IMO looks like they are going back to The Witcher 1 quest structure which was way better than 2.
EDIT: PART 2 of INTERVIEW IS LIVE
Psychoward
Banned
Robbing defenseless NPCs as they beg for mercy? Hmmm
The idea of open world as a game such as in Skyrim, and open world being an aspect of a game such as what they want to do here, is interesting to me.
There's been a lot of discussion mentioning the Ultima games here recently, and I think UVII did a really good job on the narrative driven aspects of sandbox gaming.
The Avatar was free to pursue any of his/her whims, but the NPCs were always aware of what was happening in the wider world in regards to the main villain of the game, represented by the cult of the Fellowship. If I recall correctly, major events would open up different dialog trees world-wide, so that any time you returned to an area, things felt fresh. Other characters would give you information that furthered the plot.
The issue with Skyrim is that it seems as if each town is separate, with its own concerns. That's not neccasarily a problem, that could have been a conscious design decision, especially considering how isolationist some of the societies are. But the flip to that is, the lack of interconnectness makes it seem as if the game is disjointed, and it defeats the urgency when not every character is as invested as the player in the main storyline.
I wonder if they're gonna do chapters again, where each town is like a level? True openworldness would mean meaningful interconnectedness and an focus on returning to areas. Part of that was teased with their mention of economies where goods in one town were of different values in the next -which they did in Ultima!
When I was a kid playing Ultima 6, I remember buying wheat in one town, milling it, then selling it as flour in the next town where it was worth more.
There's been a lot of discussion mentioning the Ultima games here recently, and I think UVII did a really good job on the narrative driven aspects of sandbox gaming.
The Avatar was free to pursue any of his/her whims, but the NPCs were always aware of what was happening in the wider world in regards to the main villain of the game, represented by the cult of the Fellowship. If I recall correctly, major events would open up different dialog trees world-wide, so that any time you returned to an area, things felt fresh. Other characters would give you information that furthered the plot.
The issue with Skyrim is that it seems as if each town is separate, with its own concerns. That's not neccasarily a problem, that could have been a conscious design decision, especially considering how isolationist some of the societies are. But the flip to that is, the lack of interconnectness makes it seem as if the game is disjointed, and it defeats the urgency when not every character is as invested as the player in the main storyline.
I wonder if they're gonna do chapters again, where each town is like a level? True openworldness would mean meaningful interconnectedness and an focus on returning to areas. Part of that was teased with their mention of economies where goods in one town were of different values in the next -which they did in Ultima!
When I was a kid playing Ultima 6, I remember buying wheat in one town, milling it, then selling it as flour in the next town where it was worth more.
Dragon1893
Member
Shots fired lol.
I really hope they pull this off, it just sounds so ambitious and too good to be true.
Yeah. They have ambission but we will need to see if they have means to do that. We need to remember this is their first Open World game.
TangerineCloud
Banned
Ooh, I like that each area has its own story. That was the one thing from TW1 that I wish The Witcher 2 had done. It sounds like it could also be similar to the first two books in that way.
There is definitely some things they could have done better with Skyrim in that regards and many more, but having recently played Fallout New Vegas, where almost everything IS connected to the main 'story', there is a fine line to find between the two if they want to allow some kind of player freedom cause NV is a fine RPG, but fails as an open-world game.
it works well in games like gothic. The NPC's keep their life and you keep their loot. Serves them right for getting angry that you are robbing their house.
SneakyStephan
Banned
We'll see how it turns out, I do like that they focus on the story.
That's what made traditional jrpgs and the (few worthwhile) best wrpgs good.
I don't even like rpgs, it's the few with a good story, endearing characters and interesting world that I happened to play first that tricked me into thinking I'd enjoy the genre in general.
That's what made traditional jrpgs and the (few worthwhile) best wrpgs good.
I don't even like rpgs, it's the few with a good story, endearing characters and interesting world that I happened to play first that tricked me into thinking I'd enjoy the genre in general.
Krusenstern
Banned
I'm not sure what to think of this. CDPR ist aiming pretty high lately. From what they told us, it all sounds so overambitious for this studio. Sounds like they're planing to make the best game ever. I'm happy if they really can deliver, but it all sounds to good to be true.
Yeah. I hope they will at least deliver what Gothic 2 did and they won't make soul less Skyrim.
A lot of the things they are promising has been done by older RPGs like Gothic 2, which IMO those guys weren't in the position CDPR is now both financially and creatively, so I think they CAN do it. They've acknowledged that they're taking some influence from Skyrim but only in terms of the open world, because of how bad of a RPG it actually is, and that's good news because that's the only thing you want anyone taking influence from with Bethesda games.
Never played NV, but would you launch the same criticism at Fallout 3? I found Fallout 3 to be really lacking as an open world game, in that it felt like there were big bottlenecks to get from one city to another. Collapsed skyscrapers cutting off large sections of map, for instance.
I think STALKER: Call of Pripyat did a comparatively good job. You could walk pretty much anywhere, but the way the game was designed, you moved through the plot as you moved through the world. And it took you so long to walk everywhere you had no desire to really stray from the beaten path.
Skyrim stacks its world with so many goodies that it rewards you to stray. Plus with fast-travel, you can always just jump back to a city, dump your loot, then fast-travel back to your furthest point.
Voice of Reason
Banned
Why would you have fears with this company in the first place?
Well they said already that Gothic was huge inspiration for them.
GotEmRunnin
Member
This game is sounding better and better.
Yeah, what's up with that? I mean, couldn't they have coded the enemies to try and run away and not attack you? Or just inserted a line of code that randomizes yield/attack, or attack after yield?
Not really on topic, but his description of the difference made me wonder if it would be possible to build an open RPG game that had no main quest but still had an overarching progression of the world through what would traditionally be side quests. Player helps people, people are happier, better ecnonomy, not that simplistic but I think it would be good if it was possible to do right.
Portugeezer
Member
GOTY 2014!
This made me think, RPG of the year is going to be a bloodbath next year. This game, Project Eternity, probably Dead State as well all going toe to toe. I'm sure whatever Bethesda's next game is will release next year too which like it or not is probably going to be the front runner for the award in most places.
Maybe dark souls 2 as well
It shall be glorious FEST.
And it will start this fall with Wasteland 2. Witcher 3, Dead State, Project Eternity, Dark Souls 2. And in 2015 Cyberpunk 2077
Ah yeah I forgot that. Regardless of the game's quality gaf is not going to be fun to be on when that gets close to coming out if our handling of the first game is any indication.
Thought wasteland 2 was on track for this year? Then again it could easily slip I suppose.
Felix Lighter
Member
I'm too excited for this game. I don't want to set myself up for disappointment but they always say the right things and goddamn did I love the Witcher 2. Interviewers bring up the open world issues that are rarely, if ever, handled well and they come back with answers that should end up being amazing if executed as they say. It's all so ambitious. I want to believe but reality always seems to come crushing down on these ambitious games by the end.
Ciastek3214
Junior Member
NO.
Neuromancer
Member
What are you thinking?
Portugeezer
Member
Not to mention a new Deus Ex game and Final Fantasy PS4
(wishful thinking on these two maybe?)Why? Is killing them not sick enough for you, you have to rape them first? (or even worse, rape them after)
More options = better.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Meccanical
Member
Sounds good.
I am really excited for this and Cyberpunk 2077.
I am really excited for this and Cyberpunk 2077.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
CDPR said:
Nice. Quoted for future reference.
Shaping up to be a sound game, hope they are up to the task.
Meccanical
Member
That game actually did not encourage such atrocious behavior because the rapist died at the end.
Why do I know this? Let's not pretend we were all perfectly innocent when we were teenagers.
Portugeezer
Member
Rapelay is only bad if you fap to it.