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Goli · Sep 24, 2013

https://itunes.apple.com/jp/app/teiruzu-obu-fantajia/id654653023?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo=4

Even though it's in Japanese only if you access the app listing through a device with its language set on English it has a localized description, hint at a possible release worldwide down the line?

Anyway, what I think is important is that the whole game can be played for free and Namco only makes money via items that help you throughout the game, it's an interesting new business model, since generally they're either something like a free chapter with the rest hidden behind a payment or the whole game for a "premium" amount.

dakkumauji · Sep 24, 2013

Well that's not too bad then.

Still find it funny it's the FVE version and not the Cross version of ToP.

Nairume · Sep 24, 2013

I imagine they cranked up the difficulty to get people to actually pay into the cash shop.

Hasemo · Sep 24, 2013

So, the "old" game is free with payments only for the stuff that makes the game easier?

Flamfas · Sep 24, 2013

Considering getting this because it's free, but this is only on the Japanese App Store, right?

sigh

Goli · Sep 24, 2013

Flamfas said:
Considering getting this because it's free, but this is only on the Japanese App Store, right?

sigh

Yes, but making a Japanese iTunes account is really easy.
I haven't tried the game yet but I'll do so later when I get home.

Aeana · Sep 24, 2013

dakkumauji said:
Well that's not too bad then.

Still find it funny it's the FVE version and not the Cross version of ToP.

It is? Good lord, why.

Dark Octave · Sep 24, 2013

So cheapskates play to the end and youtube the rest?

Or just don't waste your time because it's all in Japanese, unless there's some translation patch you can put in?

Drkirby · Sep 24, 2013

How does the game control with the touch screen?

FSLink · Sep 24, 2013

Why the fuck is this the FVE version and not the X version... Ugh.

Wario64 · Sep 24, 2013

Goli said:
Even though it's in Japanese only if you access the app listing through a device with its language set on English it has a localized description, hint at a possible release worldwide down the line?

What do you mean by this? I see no English.

Off-Kilter · Sep 24, 2013

dakkumauji said:
Still find it funny it's the FVE version and not the Cross version of ToP.

Can someone inform me of the difference? I played some version of ToP but I wasn't aware of different versions.

Memento_Mori15 · Sep 24, 2013

Awesome, will download this. Thanks for the heads up.

Tankallex · Sep 24, 2013

I'd rather have the remake on the PSP get released outside of Japan.

flawfuls · Sep 24, 2013

So how many versions of this game does this make?

Aeana · Sep 24, 2013

Off-Kilter said:
Can someone inform me of the difference? I played some version of ToP but I wasn't aware of different versions.

The major difference is that in the X version, there are no pauses when magic is cast in battle.

GDHamell · Sep 24, 2013

This brings back a ton of memories. One of my favorite games on the SNES. Loved the art in this.

Holmes · Sep 24, 2013

Aeana said:
The major difference is that in the X version, there are no pauses when magic is cast in battle.

Game changer right there.

kayos90 · Sep 24, 2013

This is free? LOL. I guess when you use a shitty version of the game they have no choice. =D

chickdigger802 · Sep 24, 2013

so is this fully voiced?

any body with an account wanna give it a shot? curious what the controls are. don't see virtual buttons.

Stuart444 · Sep 24, 2013

Drkirby said:
How does the game control with the touch screen?

Controls seem fluid enough. No real issues with it.

Difficulty been cranked up though? If so, explains why the AI died while I was getting used to the controls.

I couldn't see any settings though. Since I couldn't see subs on the skits, I looked around for settings to change that but saw none.

Still, seems like it could be a fun time waster if you don't have a good version of ToP at your disposal. (only other version I have is the GBA one which runs like ass)

edit:

chickdigger802 said:
so is this fully voiced?

any body with an account wanna give it a shot? curious what the controls are. don't see virtual buttons.

Yes it is. Lots of voice acting from the little I played anyway.

FSLink · Sep 24, 2013

Off-Kilter said:
Can someone inform me of the difference? I played some version of ToP but I wasn't aware of different versions.

Super Famicom version: Original version, different character sprites before they switched artists, archaic battle system that has long range/short range like Star Ocean. Dejap Translations famously translated this one with some...creative liberties.

PS1 version: Slightly updated battle system from Tales of Destiny used here, added Suzu as playable character, skits, multiplayer, artes for Chester, and Fujishima designs for characters. Fantranslated by Phantasia Productions and Absolute Zero Productions.

GBA version: terrible port of the PS1 version, was localized with a bad dub and translation to make it even worse.

PSP Fully Voiced Edition: Same as PS1 but wide screen, slightly taller battle sprites, and fully voiced cutscenes

PSP Tales of Phantasia X (included with Narikiri Dungeon X): Same as PSP FVE except newer sprites, Cress gets a 3 hit combo in battle, and no spell pause

Stuart444 said:
I couldn't see any settings though. Since I couldn't see subs on the skits, I looked around for settings to change that but saw none.

There were never subs for Phantasia skits, the PS1 fan translations added them in.

Basileus777 · Sep 24, 2013

I can't imagine playing this with touch controls.

chickdigger802 · Sep 24, 2013

lol didn't phantasia production patch just come out recently? been following that for like a decade >.>"

Goli · Sep 24, 2013

Wario64 said:
What do you mean by this? I see no English.

I can't get this description to show up on my computer but I took a screenshot of it on my iPhone

FSLink · Sep 24, 2013

Goli said:
I can't get this description to show up on my computer but I took a screenshot of it on my iPhone

Huh, interesting, the description does seem to imply a localization.

Off-Kilter · Sep 24, 2013

Aeana said:
The major difference is that in the X version, there are no pauses when magic is cast in battle.

FSLink said:
Super Famicom version: Original version, different character sprites before they switched artists, archaic battle system that has long range/short range like Star Ocean. Dejap Translations famously translated this one with some...creative liberties.

PS1 version: Slightly updated battle system from Tales of Destiny used here, added Suzu as playable character, skits, multiplayer, artes for Chester, and Fujishima designs for characters. Fantranslated by Phantasia Productions and Absolute Zero Productions.

GBA version: terrible port of the PS1 version, was localized with a bad dub and translation to make it even worse.

PSP Fully Voiced Edition: Same as PS1 but wide screen, slightly taller battle sprites, and fully voiced cutscenes

PSP Tales of Phantasia X (included with Narikiri Dungeon X): Same as PSP FVE except newer sprites, Cress gets a 3 hit combo in battle, and no spell pause

Thanks for the replies. That is interesting, but I suppose I can understand the decision. I imagine real time spell casting may put serious strain on the smartphones.

dakkumauji · Sep 24, 2013

FSLink said:
Huh, interesting, the description does seem to imply a localization.

Wonder if they are gonna use the GBA translation, hahaha.

StarCreator · Sep 24, 2013

Off-Kilter said:
Thanks for the replies. That is interesting, but I suppose I can understand the decision. I imagine real time spell casting may put serious strain on the smartphones.

I think you need to review your view of smartphone technology if you honestly think this statement to be true.

Off-Kilter · Sep 24, 2013

StarCreator said:
I think you need to review your view of smartphone technology if you honestly think this statement to be true.

Anything can happen if it were poorly optimized.

Syril · Sep 24, 2013

StarCreator said:
I think you need to review your view of smartphone technology if you honestly think this statement to be true.

The battles in the GBA version shouldn't have run like ass either, but that's what incompetence is for.

Goli · Sep 24, 2013

So I downloaded the game via iTunes and opened up the app using the same method described in the GAF iOS Gaming thread to back up your save data of each game to see if there was a hint of localization anywhere, and to my surprise there IS a folder called Localization that has some .bin files, but I think you need a hex editor to open them. Hope!

Jubern · Sep 24, 2013

I tried it at TGS last week and I seriously thought it control like shit. I mean, what could go wrong with using touch controls with a battle system akin to a fighting game, right?

Only tried it a few minutes though, so I'd like to give it another try... But I'm still on iPhone 4 and just noticed it's not good enough here. Welp.

sd28821 · Sep 24, 2013

how in gods name do you play this ? also enough with the enhanced ports just do a proper remake namco

chickdigger802 · Sep 24, 2013

Jubern said:
I tried it at TGS last week and I seriously thought it control like shit. I mean, what could go wrong with using touch controls with a battle system akin to a fighting game, right?

Only tried it a few minutes though, so I'd like to give it another try... But I'm still on iPhone 4 and just noticed it's not good enough here. Welp.

is it just standard virtual controls mapping the movement/attack buttons?

but you know... i don't recall any version of phantasia requiring much finesse. you can mash your way to victory easily.

StarCreator · Sep 24, 2013

Off-Kilter said:
Anything can happen if it were poorly optimized.

Syril said:
The battles in the GBA version shouldn't have run like ass either, but that's what incompetence is for.

Are you guys arguing hardware or software here? The only point I was trying to make is that it's a little foolish to assume a modern smartphone can't execute a game over a decade old at the same level as hardware that is also about a decade old.

chickdigger802 said:
but you know... i don't recall any version of phantasia requiring much finesse. you can mash your way to victory easily.

You've clearly never experienced the absolute joy that is ToP's battle system with the training wheels taken off.

Off-Kilter · Sep 24, 2013

StarCreator said:
Are you guys arguing hardware or software here? The only point I was trying to make is that it's a little foolish to assume a modern smartphone can't execute a game over a decade old at the same level as hardware that is also about a decade old.

I'm not assuming anything nor am I saying that it can't run it. All I'm attempting to do is determine the reasoning behind the decision, and I'm saying that they may have run into unforeseen problems with real time spell casting, because, you know, shoddy ports and all.

Santar · Sep 24, 2013

The important question is if they have changed the balance of the game to encourage the microtransactions or not.

distantmantra · Sep 24, 2013

FSLink said:
Huh, interesting, the description does seem to imply a localization.

Don't assume anything. All the Gundam games on the Japanese iTunes store also have English descriptions, and they're not getting localized.

Flamfas · Sep 24, 2013

Goli said:
Yes, but making a Japanese iTunes account is really easy.
I haven't tried the game yet but I'll do so later when I get home.

I don't know why I assumed it would be so difficult

Downloading ToP and Tales of Tactics Union now

chickdigger802 · Sep 24, 2013

StarCreator said:
You've clearly never experienced the absolute joy that is ToP's battle system with the training wheels taken off.

whats that? I've beaten the snes and gba one. i did mostly just mash attack because you couldn't regen tp in these (or could you, i forget).

StarCreator · Sep 24, 2013

chickdigger802 said:
whats that? I've beaten the snes and gba one. i did mostly just mash attack because you couldn't regen tp in these (or could you, i forget).

The original SNES game doesn't have the manual mode option. GBA does IIRC, but the battle system in that is a strange hybrid of systems compared to the other, better ports.

chickdigger802 · Sep 24, 2013

StarCreator said:
The original SNES game doesn't have the manual mode option. GBA does IIRC, but the battle system in that is a strange hybrid of systems compared to the other, better ports.

are those more or less the same as other 2d tales games of the psx era... i guess pre eternia?

Mejilan · Sep 24, 2013

Shitty version for free?
IN-DIG-NAAAY-SHUN!

Goli · Sep 25, 2013

Played this a little on my iPad Mini, and I actually really like it.
The sprites look really good and it runs very smoothly for the most part, except in the world map where there seems to be like a 20 FPS cap or something, weird.
The battles work surprisingly well too, you tap on enemies or battle field areas and the character runs to attack, it's like playing on semi-auto in a regular Tales game.
I can definitely see myself playing this more soon, but now I'll get back to KH HD!

Josh7289 · Sep 25, 2013

What's the catch?

Eusis · Sep 25, 2013

Josh7289 said:
What's the catch?

Enjoy your spell pauses!

I'd also bring up bad controls that would inherently push you to IAP, but Tales games have always had solutions in place for that so it's probably not really a big deal even though using Manual control is probably a pipe dream.

Drkirby · Sep 25, 2013

I still like the sprites of the SFC the most, wish one of the versions would let you use them again. Sure they look nothing like the art, but I miss my scholar Claus. Cowboy Claus is silly.
Also screw the cooking system, food bag was so much more convenient.

chickdigger802 · Sep 25, 2013

So any of the lovely folks here wanna capture some footage of this and put it on youtube?

Would be happy as a clam!

StarCreator · Sep 25, 2013

chickdigger802 said:
So any of the lovely folks here wanna capture some footage of this and put it on youtube?

Would be happy as a clam!

Hm.... let me see if I have enough space and I can stream it for about an hour.

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