Nightengale
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Hmm, so just because I don't know his agenda, interest and sources, I will not believe someone who has an accuracy rating of around 90+ % when it comes to leaks or news he's corroborated on.
Sounds rational. /s
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Hmm, so just because I don't know his agenda, interest and sources, I will not believe someone who has an accuracy rating of around 90+ % when it comes to leaks or news he's corroborated on.
Sounds rational. /s
illmatic22
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The most telling is the 8 GBs of DDR3 RAM with no dedicated VRAM (other than the eSRAM).
We know that Sony was always going to go with GDDR5 because it's good for GAMING, even if it meant shipping with only 4 GBs. We know they got very lucky with GDDR5 densities to be able to include 8 GBs instead.
My theory... and this has been mentioned by others as well...
We can deduce from Microsoft's decision to use DDR3 that the system was always going to have a large amount of memory for all their apps/app switching and multimedia stuff. However they were not willing to risk using a more expensive solution like GDDR5 because even as of last year there probably wasn't any indication that a large amount of GDDR5 would be affordable. And by then their system architecture would have been locked down. Therefore it was always going to have DDR3... Which has consequences. You simply cannot pair a powerful GPU with DDR3 or you'll run into major bandwidth issue. Hell, even low/mid range GPUs rarely use anything but GDDR5. Hence the relatively weak GPU in the Xbone and the attempt to use eSRAM as a bandaid to mitigate bandwidth issues. This eSRAM has also resulted in a much more complex APU (despite being less powerful) which makes the yield issue rumor from CBOAT a lot more likely. You KNOW Microsoft is wishing they had taken a chance with GDDR5.
Sony on the other hand has no such problems with GDDR5. They could have thrown in any GPU they wanted. I wish they would have chosen something a little more powerful to really take advantage of all that memory bandwidth but what they ended up with is understandable considering the price they targeted.
Your point is inane...the fact that you are doubting a leak from a source that has a success rate of 90%, that has been leaking correct information since 05, and has been verified by every mod on this site speaks to willful ignorance or stubborn opposition to facts proven time again due to your own personal agenda of spreading fud.
bigboss370
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for those saying CBOAT never gives good news, he's said that the Black Tusk game is looking good.
MS Reaction to Feb reveal:
Dunno why, but that baby looks like Ballmer.
Anticitizen One
Banned
What February 20th event is he referring to??
The PS4 announcement..?
HORRORSHØW
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He is. Your Bone is boned.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
The announcement of the PS4
No business gives up performance related bullet points to a competitor, because those always matter.
Imperfected
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No one was expecting Sony to have 8 GB of GDDR RAM - not even Sony. To be fair to Microsoft's eyes in the sky, you generally can't know more about the competitor's future plans than they do.
My pet theory is the MS gave the approval for the Xbox 720 program late, and only with some serious strings attached.
What we know:
This isn't a game console, it's the culmination of Ballmer's vision for Microsoft:
- We know Microsoft is planning a cookie-alternative to track users across PCs, mobile and notable the Xbox
- Yusuf Mehdi let it slip that the goal is advertising unified across those devices
- This thing is built for apps, really gaming is almost just another app, like TV
- Kinect is mandatory, many of us have speculated that Kinect is the input to control these apps. It may even run modified Windows 8, or Windows Phone apps, using Kinect for controls of course
- On the flip side, Kinect for Business is being pitched as serious commercial product that can do everything from a glorified camera to a complete input device
None of these things require much hardware power, all of them (I am speculating) were forced on the Xbox One before serious design could even begin. It was always hamstrung, and it is the product of some serious horse trading behind the scenes.
- It expands the Windows 8/Windows Phone/Surface ecosystem (probably meant to save the latter two).
- It is an advertising goldmine and execs can't conceal their glee. Microsoft has been watching Google and Apple's advances here with palpable envy. 80M users (or 49M gold) would be a nice advantage.
- It is a new means of interacting with computers, using Kinect everywhere. So of course it is mandatory here. Dat business/consumer synergy. MS seriously believes your next computer might have Kinect as an alternate control scheme.
Sounds about right. Also sounds like a recipe for failure.
I'm totally rushing ahead of myself at least 5 years here, but first their failure to enter the smartphone business early, then Windows 8, and now Xbox One... And also newer alternatives to their mainstay Office and I think we may be living in the era that will be looked back at as the rapid decline of Microsoft.
But with a new CEO, maybe they'll fix all this soon. Maybe.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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C'mon now. The PS4 reveal.
quickdevilred
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don't get this cboat hype
at this point he's making no risks with his suggestions just saying stuff that we already know
at this point he's making no risks with his suggestions just saying stuff that we already know
As a gamer through multiple generations this is pretty much true for every console.
As someone who went through two xbox 360s i have 0 pity for Xbox One launch buyers if another rrod fiasco happens. Its like touching a hot burner, getting burnt, then immediately touching it again just to make sure.
If history, early insider warnings and extreme last minute spec changes isnt enough to give someone pause then godspeed. Just dont start a thread in a month of launch about your shit breaking and expect pity.
famousmortimer
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In a way, yes.
But here's another story you won't hear from anyone inside Sony but I will put my account here on the line as absolutely true. Cerny was told from the get-go "Your target price is $299 to $399." Every step of the way, every decision he and his team made, had this goal in mind.
Anything but $399 was never a possibility. They started building it around GDDR5 (2gb at first, then 4) and with the camera packed and it was $399. GDDR5 got cheaper quicker and they made higher capacity chips earlier than they could have ever projected and in the week leading up to the reveal they decided to drop the camera and up the ram to 8gb.
That later point is fairly well known by now... but my point is that an engineer is looking at the last/highest possible figure. If you say "299 to 399" they are making a machine that is $399. If you say "late '13 to early (and by early I mean spring) '14" they are thinking '14. And I think that's fairly obvious now that it's launching in 13 countries and without voice support for most languages. They aren't ready.
3DS launched without an eshop. Vita launched without PSone support. The Wii U OS was a disaster for most of this year. Shit happens. But if you look at all of the data coming in from things being pushed to next year to launch games just not being ready - I think you'll find that November isn't really the month they should launch in.
I think MS will have it together by next holiday. The question is whether this rocky start will bury them or not.
Check his post history please.
Crimson_Gold
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pS4 announcement event
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
We already knew the up-clock was causing problems? Could you provide us with a link to the articles that spoke of this please?
Yoda
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Everyone chooses what to believe. The past record doesn't mean reliable information all the time and he was proved wrong recently.
So, I'm sorry, but I prefer to be skeptical to leave believing in someone who does not always right, and I don't know the motivations.
Can anyone guarantee that cboat has no interest in harming the Xone?
I agree. The Xbox One may also have 8 GB's of RAM, but the type of RAM that Microsoft has inside of it is very slow & outdated for today's standards. That's why they had to include 32 MB's of eSRAM to help compensate for it, but even that's not enough entirely; they need more than 32 MB's of it. Now Microsoft has no choice but to deal with the kind of hardware that they made for their upcoming system for the next 5 to 7 years.
Sony made the smart choice by going with GDDR5 for gaming. PC developers are most likely using it for their games now & will in the future (if not already).
JrBaconCheeseburger
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Now i am concerned.
So you are telling me my $500 console can't give me 1080P gaming and is underpowered?
Cboat speaks the truth so i am very very worried now. FUCK
So you are telling me my $500 console can't give me 1080P gaming and is underpowered?
Cboat speaks the truth so i am very very worried now. FUCK
SRTtoZ
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He did it to TRY and keep it from getting too much attention outside Gaf but that really doesnt work anymore since most gaming sites browse here. Its more or less his thing now.
Crimson_Gold
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Why do people with sonic avatars not like Sony? =/
The Dreamcast massacre. They'll never forgive Sony for that
Why some people want to turn everything into war trademarks?
ps: I plan to buy both consoles, PS4 and XOne. I like games in first place.
eddfromtheriver
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Would've loved to be at MS's HQ the day of the PS4 reveal and see them quaking in their boots.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
... and could have potential hardware problems because of being over-clocked.
you jes watchhh.
Sony played their hand very close to their chest this time around. Compare that to the PS3, and how much Sony had been banging on about Cell. As far as my hazy memory goes, Cell was announced as being in the PS3 a good 18 months before the console was released.
Combine this with the shenanigans with MS and IBM, where the Xenon CPU was derived from the same R&D that produced the Cell. MS would have had a far clearer picture of what the final PS3 would be like, a long time before it hit the market.
Two areas that Sony have been unrecognisable from the pre-PS3 era. Not only have they produced a console with ease of developed at the fore (so based on common x86 tech, built using a mature fabrication process), they've also improved their legal team and made sure AMD couldn't fuck them over like IBM did 8 years ago.
Combine this with the shenanigans with MS and IBM, where the Xenon CPU was derived from the same R&D that produced the Cell. MS would have had a far clearer picture of what the final PS3 would be like, a long time before it hit the market.
Two areas that Sony have been unrecognisable from the pre-PS3 era. Not only have they produced a console with ease of developed at the fore (so based on common x86 tech, built using a mature fabrication process), they've also improved their legal team and made sure AMD couldn't fuck them over like IBM did 8 years ago.
He's a fucking saint. A fucking prophet in the belly of the beast. Those fucks. Those tremendous fucks are gonna try and bone us again, just so they can "keep up appearances" in their competition with Sony. I spit. *ptoo*
njean777
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combine resolutions, better hardware, and 100$ cheaper and everything starts to add up. It isnt and has never been only about resolutions. You are conveniently leaving out the other important aspects of the console. I bring my friends tastes into account as well, but I do not leave out the faults of both systems when telling them about both consoles. I tell my friends that MS is charging 100$ more for the weaker system, not to jab MS, but to let them know. I tell them about the games as well, and most of them can decide from there.
Why are you so concerned that his leaks may be harming the XBONE? Are you married to the thing?
As pointed out by many people he has posted positive leaks for the bone before.
2 Slice Toaster
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Where did he say the XBox is underpowered and incapable of 1080p?
It matters a lot more than you think. Anyone who thinks specs are just message board fodder hasn't talked to many people about it outside of message boards. People know the PS4 is both cheaper AND more powerful. And that's a pretty big deal for a lot of people.
Nightengale
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Predictions about your competitor's strategy are often one of the most subjective and dangerous things done in boardroom meetings.
I mean, from a financial standpoint, one would be excused to see that SCE would not launch PS4 this year. They've only recently restabilised their grounds, and pushing for a new console launch in 2013 does nothing to help that due to the investments needed for a major console launch.
From a games standpoint, looking at PS3's exclusive line-up this year, one can be forgiven to not think this was a console launch year. GoW:A, GT6, TLoU, Beyond: Two Souls, Puppeteer, Rain. A stark contrast from MS's line-up.
Another piece that I see happen often in business discussions about competitor strategy, is making assumptions about the 'logic' & 'thought process' of your competitors, in line with your own.
I don't work in the games industry, but I can safely say that some of the predictions we make about our competitors are close to being 'out-of-the-ass' in all the qualitative assumptions.
I would not call DDR3 outdated, it is just not meant for use as VRAM.
But you can still have 1080p* upscaled and Kinect!
SRTtoZ
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Its really mind boggling how the architect(s) of the XB1 didnt sit down and come to an agreement that the console should have enough power to make 1080p mandatory. I understand you dont want to force a developer to stick to a certain res when their visions might use other effects better but thats not whats going on here. You cant tell me Double Helix wanted a launch fighter running at 720p.
Why do people with sonic avatars not like Sony? =/
Sony killed Sega, PS1 and PS2 killed Saturn and Dreamcast respectively.
ProfessorMoran
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crazepharmacist
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MS Reaction to Feb reveal:
About right I'd say.
I'm with you. I'm holding off on the next gen, at least a year, considering all that happened to me this gen.
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