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IGN editors weigh in on Resident Evil 4
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Red Dolphin
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Duck of Death said:
IAWTP.
You should not have to hold down a button to run in ANY game these days. Infact since Mario 64 came out over 8 years ago now, I think it's almost a crime that a game would still use digital controls. It's not something that is going to ruin the game for me, as I easily put up with the tank controls in the old games, but I can't see why they didn't use analogue controls.
SolidSnakex
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-SRV- said:
:lol
Shogmaster
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AssMan said:
We can play the game fine. It's aggrevating that the stupid braindead Zombies can straif while you can't. :lol
But it's not really about straifing like the other guys said. It's about getting rid of ancient and rediculous RE control conventions like tank controls (pivot only direction changing) and the run button.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I quite like the run button. But then I spend a good amount of the game walking, so I'd prefer just to be able to hold a direction as I like rather than worry about how much pressure I'm putting on the stick.
If I ran all the time I'd probably want analogue control too.
If I ran all the time I'd probably want analogue control too.
Shogmaster
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Mama Smurf said:
Do you play the game with your hands or your feet?!? Most rediculous thing I read in a while.
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Nevermind. THIS is the most rediculous thing I've read.
Agreed. There is a lot to explore. When I move around indoors I'd rather not run around into walls headfirst with my gun clipping thru constantly. The choice definitely keeps the game immersive. Holding a stick halfway to keep this illusion is stupid because what ends up happening is this -- Run, walk, run, walk --ugh. This isn't a stealth game nor an fps. It's horror. Walking is not an afterthought here, it is central to the gameplay. I don't play horror games like I would Unreal Tournament 2004. This is Resident Evil, this is not Halo.
I think sidestepping should have been included in the game. I'd like to make a distinction though, between sidestepping and strafing. In games, strafing is commonly setup so that you can run sideways at the same speed as forward or back. Try running as fast as you can sideways sometime (while holding a weapon, no less) and see how far you get before you fall on your butt. Sidestepping (slowly, while keeping a lock on your target) could have made sense however. But again, this is not an FPS and it was a design decision to keep things more claustrophobic and intense.
In the end, this is a horror game and to a broader description, a game. It does not need FPS controls to succeed in its mission. And as a game, you should learn to play. Hundreds of games have been made with "different" controls and styles and have succeeded admirably. For example, I can think of two ball games with very different controls, Katamari Damacy and Monkey Ball and neither game's controls get hate here. Try being a little more open minded! Instead of complaining incessantly about every little thing, try adapting!
I enjoy RE4 immensely, but that said, sometimes I think it tries to pay too much tribute to the rest of the series. I think the game could've been just as, and likely moreso, intense and fun with real analog controls. I think Leon should be able to shoot and reload while walking. Hell, I could do that, and I'm not even a cool super agent that survived Raccoon City. 
They could've had the weapon accuracy realistically drop if you shoot while walking/running. Also, while I like how the inventory system forces you to really pick what you need, I shouldn't have to bring up the Inventory screen every damn time I want to just change my weapon. They could've swapped the Z-button from pulling up the map screen (you can do that in the main sub menu anyways) and changed it to a simple 'switch weapon' button. Make no mistake, the game is amazing, but by no means flawless,
They could've had the weapon accuracy realistically drop if you shoot while walking/running. Also, while I like how the inventory system forces you to really pick what you need, I shouldn't have to bring up the Inventory screen every damn time I want to just change my weapon. They could've swapped the Z-button from pulling up the map screen (you can do that in the main sub menu anyways) and changed it to a simple 'switch weapon' button. Make no mistake, the game is amazing, but by no means flawless,Well it definitely needs something better than what it has, becausejunkster said:
and that's it.tedtropy said:
The only humans on the face of the earth that cannot shoot and walk simultaneously are people who have both legs amputated and must walk on their hands. That's the only exception I can think of.
Otherwise, if I'm busy shooting something which I'm supposedly scared of, I should be able to walk the fuck away from it while I'm shooting it. You know, to establish distance and keep relative safety among other things.
And in Metal Gear Solid I should be able to kill any human boss with one Rocket but I can't. In most FPS, 1 shotgun blast should be able to kill you but it doesn't. In every FPS, a hand grenade should cripple you to the point where you can't walk any further but you can still run full speed. In GTA, 3 cops should be able to kill you easily and getting hit by a car should kill you or cripple you instantly but it doesn't. In just about any game ever made, food and first aid kits (or herbs) should not heal you at all, especially instantly on the battlefield but they do.
What's your point?
can survive a grenade blast right at your feet/ a car hitting them full speed/get health instantly back from/flying an entire city length through the air with a motorcycle and landing on the wheels with no damage to the rider or the motorcycle/surviving a sword to the chest.... doesn't exist. Even the best green herb on the planet is not going to stop the effects of an axe to the grill. So again, what's your point?
You like your conventions and you don't want to adapt. Sorry mate, design decisions!
There are plenty FPS out there, maybe horror is not your genre!
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Shogmaster said:
Are you an idiot? What doesn't you understand?
Shogmaster
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Mama Smurf said:
Seriously. Read what you wrote. READ IT!
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I did, and it makes sense, so in conclusion I figure you're either an idiot or didn't understand something.
Specifics here would help.
Specifics here would help.
I for one feel that RE4 doesn't need strafe one bit.... it certainly wouldn't be as intense having it, and the game is certainly functional without it...
But, to appease the mass of wester FPS fans over here, they could've included more 'context sensative' roll/jump to the side options when surrounded by crowds... or even arround corners...
That would've still kept it in tune with its tense RE controll roots.
But, to appease the mass of wester FPS fans over here, they could've included more 'context sensative' roll/jump to the side options when surrounded by crowds... or even arround corners...
That would've still kept it in tune with its tense RE controll roots.
MarkRyan said:
And this may be a valid point if the game wasn't called Resident Evil 4.
Leon is a highly trained super agent. Surely his training taught him how to walk and shoot at the same time? Or how to roll away from oncoming enemies. The 'limitation' of Leons move set seems out of place for the type of character he portrays in the game. Especially when you consider all the cool shit he can do with action moves.
Shogmaster
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Mama Smurf said:
Ignoring the fact that for games like this, the dev can simply assign two speeds to the analog stick (full pressure = run, and anything but the full pressure is walk), if you can't finess the stick to such a degree, maybe you should take up another genre. Perhaps some point and click advantures?
And alll this time I thought the point of analog stick was to provide varying degrees of control. Silly me! Apparently analog stick is perfect for one speed control according to you!
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY ROLLEYES SMILIES?!?!
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Shogmaster said:
I can do it, anyone can do it, but I'd prefer not to have to hold the stick halfway forward for most of the game than all the way. It's simply a preference, not a requirement.
You don't understand at all. I mean your response to that quote doesn't even make sense, so I'm going to ignore your reply, and explain what what I wrote meant.
If I ran all the time, and had analogue, I would only have to push forwards on the stick rather than forwards and a button.
GASP OMG IT MAKES SENSE END OF THE WORLD SHOGMASTER GETS IT NOW
Hopefully
CrimsonSkies
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The controls still suck arse imho. Other than that. Fun game. It's not OH MY GAWD BEST GAME EVA! It's good though.
When have games ever been about what humans realistically do? Im sure many of you have played paintball. When you a running across a field, do you jump up and down like youre running the 110 m hurdles? No, you just run across it then why does everybody jump up and down in Quake and Halo? Because its a game, not because this is what people normally do!dog$ said:
Also, I can hardly think of any real life situations were I would strafe, aside from sports, and thats just a simple sidestep. Even in paintball, you either lean around a tree to shoot, or run straight well shooting sideways you dont strafe (you would look like an idiot if you did, and likely trip and fall). Strafe is just a FPS game mechanism, and has nothing to do with making a game realistic.
Like many people have pointed out before me, games have rules that the developer decides to use. Strafing could easily have been added to RE4, but it would have changed the way the develop intended the game to be played and I think in this case it worked out great (based on my time playing it and all the reviews), but when it doesnt work out, thats when you complain about the controls.
Entertainment has been limiting audiences for the sake of emersion since the dawn of 'fun' ...
A story without a 'conflict' to relate with is nothing ... And we're starting to see this implemented abstractly into interactivity...
People might say they want 100% control of everything at every given moment, the same way they yell at some stupid bitch character in a horror movie to 'not go into the closet!'....
It all boils down to feeling the limits of the character, or atmosphere that the game is trying to portray...
And lets face it, 100% limitless control is just a arrow selecting options to progress..
A story without a 'conflict' to relate with is nothing ... And we're starting to see this implemented abstractly into interactivity...
People might say they want 100% control of everything at every given moment, the same way they yell at some stupid bitch character in a horror movie to 'not go into the closet!'....
It all boils down to feeling the limits of the character, or atmosphere that the game is trying to portray...
And lets face it, 100% limitless control is just a arrow selecting options to progress..
And a King is a KING. He should be the BEST. But a King in Chess only moves one square, while the Queen can rock the board. How does it make sense that a Queen is more capable in combat than her King!?!?Mrbob said:
Using logic and realism as reasons for design choices in games is pretty retarded, unless the game is a sim or there's no other way to design it.
I made a point of not mentioning strafing.Porthos said:
Fuck strafing.
Like I said, if I'm taking care of a threat with a gun... a threat which I'm supposed to be scared of no less, I see no rationalization as to why I cannot:
a) Shoot the target
and
b) Run away from the target
simultanenously.
If the point of RE is that it's a non-action horror game, then make all environments such that the instinctive impulse to move and shoot simultaneously would be severely restricted/impossible AND reduce enemy encounters enough so that you can deal with them in a rational manner so that you wouldn't need to dance around everything AND make the weapons effective enough so that the enemies wouldn't need to be plugged "20" times. If I only had to shoot everything once, I probably wouldn't notice about the lack of being able to move and shoot simultaneously, since I'd be able to kill any visible threats in an instant and get on with my life.
If the point of RE is that it's an action game with horror elements, then it fails horribly since it controls worse than practically all other action games made to date.
In Metal Gear Solid 3, there are some parts of the game where Snake can't look 10 feet in front of him without going into first-person mode. And when in that mode, Snake can't move, just turn his head. Surely a highly trained super agent should be able to look in front of him while moving?Mrbob said:
I won't even go into climbing heights.
NOTE: I thoroughly enjoyed Metal Gear Solid 3. Excellent game.
Back to Resident Evil 4 - sure, I've got criticisms with the game, but they are FAR outweighed by the good stuff I experienced. This was a GREAT game, and I'm not going to let something like what "should" be in the game ruin my experience. There are SO MANY games where I could think of design elements that "should" be in the game, that if I started concentrating on that with each game I play, I wouldn't have ANY fun.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
You know, I can't say I've noticed the lack myself, but I don't see why they couldn't include shooting while running. You wouldn't be able to aim like you can normally (you wouldn't even be able to use some weapons), but just firing ahead of you would be alright.
They'd have to work out a different control scheme though, I don't want the action button to be the fire button too. I've pressed A when the action says to jump down or whatever and it's just changed away from it so nothing happens too many times to keep the same control scheme, I'd be waisting ammo and alerting enemies to my presence (not to mention killing half the merchants).
They'd have to work out a different control scheme though, I don't want the action button to be the fire button too. I've pressed A when the action says to jump down or whatever and it's just changed away from it so nothing happens too many times to keep the same control scheme, I'd be waisting ammo and alerting enemies to my presence (not to mention killing half the merchants).
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HALO 2 > RE4
There, I said it!
jk, I've yet to beat both games so I can't begin to make a valid comparison on which I like better; not that I would anyway
There, I said it!
jk, I've yet to beat both games so I can't begin to make a valid comparison on which I like better; not that I would anyway
dog$ said:
I think the game was designed well without the strafe. You can handle huge groups by timing your melee attacks. Certain weapons like the shotgun and TMP allow you to mow over several enemies quickly. Plus, the game also gives you a generous amount of explosive weapons.
It's not the designers built the game around strafing and then pulled it out at the last minute. Almost all situations can be dealt with the tools that were provided.
As someone said early, the analog issue is the only real failing of the control scheme. We have gone through nearly 2 generations of analog control--digital controls in 3D playing games are silly.
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