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Minsc · Feb 12, 2008

Stumpokapow said:
Shipped but I don't have sellthrough figures suggesting it's close enough for me to be comfortable putting it on the list.

You really think it is possible for them to have shipped over 1.6M copies and sold less than 1M? Especially since as pointed out just between Nov + Dec in just the US it has sold 874,000 reported by NPD:

Nov NPD was 473,000
Dec NPD was 401,000

That leaves ~126,000 between Europe + Jan of the US. I know we don't have concrete Europe numbers, but it charted the following way in just the UK:

2007 - Week 47:
04 (__) [360] Mass Effect (Microsoft)
Week 48:
16 (04) [360] Mass Effect (Microsoft)
Week 49:
38 (16) [360] Mass Effect (Microsoft)
Week 50:
37 (38) [360] Mass Effect (Microsoft)
Week 52:
30 (__) [360] Mass Effect (Microsoft)
2008 - Week 01:
31 (30) [360] Mass Effect (Microsoft)
Week 02:
31 (30) [360] Mass Effect (Microsoft)
Week 03:
25 (31) [360] Mass Effect (Microsoft)
Week 04:
33 (25) [360] Mass Effect (Microsoft)

That's 9 weeks (10 if you count when it dropped), with a strong opening week, and average remaining weeks. Lowball it and say 50,000 opening, + an average 10,000 remaining weeks, and you'd get the difference, without even counting the many other Europe territories it charted in.

UK sales would have to be far less than 10% of US sales for your skepticism to merit anything imo.

It's too bad we probably won't get any more numbers from NPD, but I can't imagine it doing less than 50K in January (as worst case).

Edit: Maybe my numbers for UK are too generous, a 25K + 5K average would be more "worst case", leaving you short of 50K without counting Jan from US, or any other Europe territories.

I also completely forgot about the media field day Mass Effect has been getting lately, that alone should bump the US sales by a fair amount.

Stumpokapow · Feb 12, 2008

Mass Effect will obviously be a million seller as of the US number report on thursday. I just don't feel comfortable right now awarding it the title given the lack of any substantive or concrete data from Europe. Your napkin math seems accurate enough and I concede that based on that it's likely that Europe passes the gap, but it's not as if this is a title that's done selling and we're left with 875k accounted for and wondering whether or not Europe bridges the gap; this is a title that we know will break a million very soon if it hasn't already.

I think Europe should play in when we have reason to believe that Europe is a notably strong seller versus NA/JPN (PES being a prime example here) or when we know the game has shipped more than a million, and it's done selling and we're left wondering if Europe can have it count as selling more than a million.

cvxfreak · Feb 13, 2008

THESE ARE NOT THE NUMBERS FOR SSBX/DMC4'S SECOND WEEK

1. (Wii, Nintendo) Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 816,198
2. (PS3, Capcom) Devil May Cry 4 - 212,373
3. (PS2, Banpresto) Haruhi Suzumiya's Wonderment - 112,972
4. (PS2, Namco) Tales of Destiny Director's Cut - 97,476
5. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Fit - 89,833 / 1,299,133
6. (PS3, Nippon Ichi) Disgaea 3 - 56,441
7. (360, Capcom) Devil May Cry 4 - 40,169
8. (PS3, Ubisoft) Assassin's Creed - 36,898
9. (DS, Nintendo) Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games - 32,497 / 177,149
10. (PSP, Konami) World Soccer Winning Eleven 2008 Ubiquitous Evolution - 24,849 / 95,162

11. Family Ski - 23,895
12. Wii Sports - 22,141 / 2,714,017
13. (PS3) Need for Speed Pro Street - 19,308
14. Mario Party DS - 19,068 / 1,576,162
15. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 15,986 / 1,600,147
16. (PS2) Need for Speed Pro Street - 15,496
17. Wii Play - 14,472 / 2,167,614
18. Mario Kart DS - 12,478 / 2,821,565
19. Prof. Layton and Pandora's Box - 11,381 / 738,175
20. Doraemon Baseball: Dramatic Stadium - 10,604 / 151,833
21. (Wii) Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games - 10,369 / 498,181
22. After-School Boy - 9,039
23. Nep League DS - 8,411 / 101,244
24. Lucky Star: Misasagi Sakura Gakuen Sakura Fuji Festival - 7,540 / 68,988
25. (I.E. Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2.5M - 7,420 / 169,062
26. Super Mario Galaxy - 7,234 / 860,251
27. Mario Party 8 - 7,173 / 1,170,173
28. Animal Crossing: Wild World - 7,075 / 4,579,070
29. New Super Mario Bros. - 6,818 / 5,075,649
30. My Household Diary DS - 6,798 / 416,804

Kurosaki Ichigo · Feb 13, 2008

Cheer on people, we have legit leaks. Phew!

I wonder if we'll get last week leaks today or Friday though :?

Jokeropia · Feb 13, 2008

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Cheer on people, we have legit leaks. Phew!

Yeah this deserves re-quoting of the leaked data not revealed by the official top 30 as it's probably correct as well:

Famitsu numbers (not first day, last week ones)
DSL　65000
PSP　50000
Wii　106000
PS3　36000
PS2　11000
360　5800

Other new games
11.Family Ski　24000
13.Need For Speed ProStreet PS3　19000
16.Need For Speed ProStreet PS2　15000
22.Houkago no Shounen　9000
....Mushishi　4200
....Need For Speed ProStreet Wii　4000
....Sega Rally PS3　3700
....Sega Rally PSP　3500
....Arashi 5 PS2　3200
....Arashi 5 PSP　2700
....Your Memories Off Girl Style PS2　2500
....Sega Rally 360　1900
....Salad DS　1500
....Simple DS vol32 Zombie Crisis　1500
....Simple 2000 vol??　780

There must be a pretty significant YTD difference between MC and Famitsu PSP by now.

Mithos Yggdrasill · Feb 13, 2008

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Cheer on people, we have legit leaks. Phew!

I wonder if we'll get last week leaks today or Friday though :?

I thought that leaks comes out usually every Wednesday. Am I wrong ?

AniHawk · Feb 13, 2008

cvxfreak said:
1. (Wii, Nintendo) Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 816,198

HOLY SHIT BRAWL DID 800K TWO WEEKS IN A ROW.

Not bad legs for DMC4 either.

pswii60 · Feb 13, 2008

Minsc said:
You really think it is possible for them to have shipped over 1.6M copies and sold less than 1M? Especially since as pointed out just between Nov + Dec in just the US it has sold 874,000 reported by NPD:

Nov NPD was 473,000
Dec NPD was 401,000

That leaves ~126,000 between Europe + Jan of the US. I know we don't have concrete Europe numbers, but it charted the following way in just the UK:

That's 9 weeks (10 if you count when it dropped), with a strong opening week, and average remaining weeks. Lowball it and say 50,000 opening, + an average 10,000 remaining weeks, and you'd get the difference, without even counting the many other Europe territories it charted in.

UK sales would have to be far less than 10% of US sales for your skepticism to merit anything imo.

It's too bad we probably won't get any more numbers from NPD, but I can't imagine it doing less than 50K in January (as worst case).

Edit: Maybe my numbers for UK are too generous, a 25K + 5K average would be more "worst case", leaving you short of 50K without counting Jan from US, or any other Europe territories.

I also completely forgot about the media field day Mass Effect has been getting lately, that alone should bump the US sales by a fair amount.

Mass Effect has sold over 100,000 in the UK alone:
http://www.elspa.com/?i=3942

cvxfreak · Feb 13, 2008

Forgot to post the hardware charts:

DSL 65,488
PSP 50,331
GBM 335
GBASP 197
Wii 105,570
PS3 36,087
PS2 10,854
360 5804

TJ Spyke · Feb 13, 2008

HK-47 said:
Why? The Pokemons have always been combined, just like any game with two simultaneously release versions. Pokemon D/P should be combine as well

I agree with Stump on this, they should be counted as seperate titles.

Innotech · Feb 13, 2008

donny2112 said:
Why don't you own a DS!?!

You don't live in the U.S., either.

SSBB
1st week: 816K
2nd week: 266K

NSMB
1st week: 865K
2nd week: 315K

Exactly. the. same. drop. :lol Awesome.

How curious. But doesn't it first have to "sell" before it can be considered "sold" out?

I knew people would ask about DS. Im not a portable gamer. I AM considering a DS for a few games though. But alas, I am part of destitute GAF and must put other priorities, like living expenses, above gaming.

Vagabundo · Feb 13, 2008

Innotech said:
I knew people would ask about DS. Im not a portable gamer. I AM considering a DS for a few games though. But alas, I am part of destitute GAF and must put other priorities, like living expenses, above gaming.

There is a lot to like about DS gaming, i wasnt too sure. but my eyes have been opened recently..
I'm learning french with my french coach.. and killing stuff with contra...

Mithos Yggdrasill · Feb 13, 2008

cvxfreak said:
Forgot to post the hardware charts:

DSL 65,488
PSP 50,331
GBM 335
GBASP 197
Wii 105,570
PS3 36,087
PS2 10,854
360 5804

Why PSP's numbers are so different ?

Kurosaki Ichigo · Feb 13, 2008

Famitsu numbers

DSL　57000
PSP　72000
Wii　83000
PS3　21000
PS2　9800
360　2900

1. [Wii] Super Smash Bros Brawl　266000（1082000）
2. [PSP] Giren no Yabou Axis no Kyoui　108000
3. [Wii] Wii Fit　76000（1375000）
4. [PS3] Devil May Cry 4　36000（249000）
5. [NDS] Mario & Sonic DS　25000（202000）
6. [Wii] Wii Sports　18000（2732000）
7. [NDS] L The Prologue to Death Note　17000
8. [PS2] Tales of Destiny Director's Cut　17000（114000）
9. [NDS] Mario Party DS　16000（1592000）
10. [Wii] Wii Play　15000（2183000）

Other new titles
27.Coded Arms Contagion　6100
...Major　5300
...Convoy PS3　3600
...Battlestations Midway　2300
...Onechanbara Wii　2200
...Convoy PS2　2100
...Princess Maker 5　1000

Other titles
11.Family Ski　14000（38000）
12.Assasin's Creed　14000（51000）
13.Monster Hunter Portable 2　13000（1613000）
16.Mario Kart DS　12000（2834000）
17.Disgaea 3　12000（68000）
18.Layton 2　8200（746000）
19.New Super Mario Bros　7000（5083000）
20.Devil May Cry 4 360　7000（47000）
21.Mario & Sonic Wii　6600（505000）
23.Need For Speed ProStreet PS3　6400（26000）
24.Super Mario Galaxy　6300（867000）
25.Doraemon Baseball　6200（158000）
26.Need For Speed ProStreet PS2　6100（22000）
29.Animal Crossing　5900（4585000）
30.Household Diary　5700（423000）

king zell · Feb 13, 2008

famitsu 4-10/2

1-[WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl
2-[PSP] Gundam
3-[WII] Wii Fit
4-[PS3] Devil May Cry 4
5-[NDS] Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games
6-[WII] Wii Sports
7-[NDS] L the proLogue to DEATH NOTE
8-[PS2] Tales of Destiny: Director's Cut
9-[NDS] Mario Party DS
10-[WII] Wii Play

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1213582_1124.html

Chris Michael · Feb 13, 2008

Everyone's going to start moving their games to the PSP if Nintendo doesn't do something about this DS situation.

sarcasm.

Magicpaint · Feb 13, 2008

Chris Michael said:
Everyone's going to start moving their games to the PSP if Nintendo doesn't do something about this DS situation.

...

Cosmonaut X · Feb 13, 2008

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Snipped

Really surprised to see PSP so high again...

Great second week for SSBB, not so much for DMC4. Wii Fit chugs along & MKDS resurfaces in the top ten again - simply amazing legs. Any translations for the other games?

Everyone's going to start moving their games to the PSP if Nintendo doesn't do something about this DS situation.

Why?

RBH · Feb 13, 2008

DSL　57000
PSP　72000

Hm, wasn't expecting that.

PS3　21000

Almost a 50% drop from last week.

Moor-Angol · Feb 13, 2008

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
1. [Wii] Super Smash Bros Brawl　266000（1082000）
2. [PSP] Giren no Yabou Axis no Kyoui　108000
3. [Wii] Wii Fit　76000（1375000）
4. [PS3] Devil May Cry 4　36000（249000）
5. [NDS] Mario & Sonic DS　25000（202000）
6. [Wii] Wii Sports　18000（2732000）
7. [NDS] L The Prologue to Death Note　17000
8. [PS2] Tales of Destiny Director's Cut　17000（114000）
9. [NDS] Mario Kart DS　16000（1592000）
10. [Wii] Wii Play　15000（2183000）

it should be Mario Party DS, according to LTD

Magicpaint · Feb 13, 2008

PSP slim has given the PSP its own equivalent of the 'DSlite', it'd be fantastic if that translated to better and more frequent software releases for the platform, and would also keep Nintendo on their toes (I'm very disappointed with the current first party support for the DS in particular).

BishopLamont · Feb 13, 2008

RBH said:
Hm, wasn't expecting that.

Almost a 50% drop from last week.

Yep they're two things I noticed first, those PS3 numbers especially is worrying.

Magicpaint said:
PSP slim has given the PSP its own equivalent of the 'DSlite', it'd be fantastic if that translated to better and more frequent software releases for the platform, and would also keep Nintendo on their toes (I'm very disappointed with the current first party support for the DS in particular).

test_account · Feb 13, 2008

AniHawk said:
HOLY SHIT BRAWL DID 800K TWO WEEKS IN A ROW.

Not bad legs for DMC4 either.

Those werent 2nd week numbers though :\ It would be amazing if they were though

Segata Sanshiro · Feb 13, 2008

PSP owners need to start buying some fucking games.

Spiegel · Feb 13, 2008

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
PSP　72000

Awesome

BishopLamont · Feb 13, 2008

Segata Sanshiro said:
PSP owners need to start buying some fucking games.

Can't buy what's not there.

Mithos Yggdrasill · Feb 13, 2008

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Famitsu numbers

DSL　57000
PSP　72000
Wii　83000
PS3　21000
PS2　9800
360　2900

1. [Wii] Super Smash Bros Brawl　266000（1082000）
2. [PSP] Giren no Yabou Axis no Kyoui　108000
3. [Wii] Wii Fit　76000（1375000）
4. [PS3] Devil May Cry 4　36000（249000）
5. [NDS] Mario & Sonic DS　25000（202000）
6. [Wii] Wii Sports　18000（2732000）
7. [NDS] L The Prologue to Death Note　17000
8. [PS2] Tales of Destiny Director's Cut　17000（114000）
9. [NDS] Mario Kart DS　16000（1592000）
10. [Wii] Wii Play　15000（2183000）

Other new titles
27.Coded Arms Contagion　6100
...Major　5300
...Convoy PS3　3600
...Battlestations Midway　2300
...Onechanbara Wii　2200
...Convoy PS2　2100
...Princess Maker 5　1000

Other titles
11.スキー　14000（38000）
12.アサクリ　14000（51000）
13.MHP2　13000（1613000）
16.マリカ　12000（2834000）
17.ディスガイア3　12000（68000）
18.レイトン悪魔　8200（746000）
19.にゅマリ　7000（5083000）
20.DMC4360　7000（47000）
21.マリソニWii　6600（505000）
23.NFSPS3　6400（26000）
24.マリギャラ　6300（867000）
25.ドラベース　6200（158000）
26.NFSPS2　6100（22000）
29.おいもり　5900（4585000）
30.家計　5700（423000）

Wow. PSP's numbers are always so high. At least there is a title with >100k sold. I think it is Mario Party DS and not Mario Kart DS.

Chris Michael · Feb 13, 2008

Magicpaint said:
... also keep Nintendo on their toes (I'm very disappointed with the current first party support for the DS in particular).

People will say WTF but I agree whole heartedly.

Dead Prince · Feb 13, 2008

Disgaea 3 had its fun in the top 10 last week. ;(

Kurosaki Ichigo · Feb 13, 2008

Its all translated now by the way, and going from Famitsu top10 and sinobi blog, its totally legit.

Frillen · Feb 13, 2008

Magicpaint said:
PSP slim has given the PSP its own equivalent of the 'DSlite', it'd be fantastic if that translated to better and more frequent software releases for the platform, and would also keep Nintendo on their toes (I'm very disappointed with the current first party support for the DS in particular).

Doesn't matter when software sales still are close to non existence on the PSP. People clearly buy the PSP in Japan for anything but gaming.

cvxfreak · Feb 13, 2008

Awesome PSP hardware sales, and great showing for Smash Bros. X.

DMC4 dropped more than I expected it to, though.

Magicpaint · Feb 13, 2008

Frillen said:
Doesn't matter when software sales still are close to non existence on the PSP. People clearly buy the PSP in Japan for anything but gaming.

Actually, I see Monster Hunter Portable still selling and I beg to differ. Crisis Core also sold amazingly well. The PSP's problem isn't that it can't sell software... it just hasn't had lots of releases lately that can pull big numbers.

Durante · Feb 13, 2008

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
17.Disgaea 3　12000（68000)

That's slightly better than I expected -- relatively speaking it's a smaller drop than DMC4.

Neo C. · Feb 13, 2008

Magicpaint said:
PSP slim has given the PSP its own equivalent of the 'DSlite', it'd be fantastic if that translated to better and more frequent software releases for the platform, and would also keep Nintendo on their toes (I'm very disappointed with the current first party support for the DS in particular).

Nintendo won't ramp up the software support significantly. Though a new redesign should come faster than expected, if things keep staying like this.

Yoboman · Feb 13, 2008

Damn, Sony needs to get crackin' on a PS3 slim quick-smart. Those things work wonders

kurosawa · Feb 13, 2008

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Other titles
11.Family Ski　14000（38000）

Nice... 58%of 1st week sales. Could this one have the "Wii ___" kind of legs (small version) and sell >5000/week on the next one or two months? That would be a great indicator for games using the balance board.

Segata Sanshiro · Feb 13, 2008

Magicpaint said:
Actually, I see Monster Hunter Portable still selling and I beg to differ. Crisis Core also sold amazingly well. The PSP's problem isn't that it can't sell software... it just hasn't had lots of releases lately that can pull big numbers.

and why do you suppose it's not getting that software?

Dead Prince · Feb 13, 2008

Yoboman said:
Damn, Sony needs to get crackin' on a PS3 slim quick-smart. Those things work wonders

need a game to be packed in with it first. sell it separately alongside a bundle would do great.

HK-47 · Feb 13, 2008

TJ Spyke said:
I agree with Stump on this, they should be counted as seperate titles.

They really shouldnt. They are the exact same game with minor differences

Magicpaint · Feb 13, 2008

Segata Sanshiro said:
and why do you suppose it's not getting that software?

When you have competition that's selling far better hardware numbers + is cheaper to develop for, then you're working at a disadvantage, I guess.

Though I'm hopeful that the recent trends will make developers take notice that the PSP is here to stay. Handhelds ftw.

Frillen · Feb 13, 2008

Magicpaint said:
Actually, I see Monster Hunter Portable still selling and I beg to differ. Crisis Core also sold amazingly well. The PSP's problem isn't that it can't sell software... it just hasn't had lots of releases lately that can pull big numbers.

Did you see the PSP's software sales for 07? Not a good sight.

cvxfreak · Feb 13, 2008

HK-47 said:
They really shouldnt. They are the exact same game with minor differences

On one hand I'd prefer them combined should they make the charts as such. On the other hand, I really wish Famitsu provided a breakdown (percentage and whatnot).

Neo C. · Feb 13, 2008

Segata Sanshiro said:
and why do you suppose it's not getting that software?

Because the shift was before the PSP Slim announcement?

It will be funny to see some companies jumping back on the PSP board.

Jonnyram · Feb 13, 2008

BishopLamont said:

I agree with him - Nintendo hasn't released any noteworthy DS software for a while. They're only major Christmas hit was Mario Party DS, and Hudson developed that. It seems they have been concentrating on Wii a lot last year, but hopefully some nice DS stuff will come out soon. They need more of the Touch Generations stuff for starters - look at the hardware sales waning!

schuelma · Feb 13, 2008

Jonnyram said:
It seems they have been concentrating on Wii a lot last year, but hopefully some nice DS stuff will come out soon.

I'd hate to see Nintendo's Wii lineup if they weren't concentrating on the Wii..looks pretty barren to me.

HK-47 · Feb 13, 2008

Jonnyram said:
I agree with him - Nintendo hasn't released any noteworthy DS software for a while. They're only major Christmas hit was Mario Party DS, and Hudson developed that. It seems they have been concentrating on Wii a lot last year, but hopefully some nice DS stuff will come out soon. They need more of the Touch Generations stuff for starters - look at the hardware sales waning!

I'd be wary of wearing down the Touch Generation brand, particularly the Training games

Segata Sanshiro · Feb 13, 2008

Neo C. said:
Because the shift was before the PSP Slim announcement?

It will be funny to see some companies jumping back on the PSP board.

Where's the motivation to come back? Games aren't selling any better than they were. I mean, yay, Squonx can sell 800k of an FFVII prequel, but what are the rest to do?

HK-47 · Feb 13, 2008

test_account said:
Those werent 2nd week numbers though :\ It would be amazing if they were though

You just got anihawk'd >_>

Jonnyram · Feb 13, 2008

schuelma said:
I'd hate to see Nintendo's Wii lineup if they weren't concentrating on the Wii..looks pretty barren to me.

Super Mario Galaxy, Wii Fit and Brawl within the space of three months is hardly barren. It reminds me of the awesome Christmas DS had when they released Animal Crossing, Mario Kart and Brain Age 2 in the same couple of months.

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