Steve Gibson said:indeed, friends lists being cross compatible is a key component.
what i was talking to that press guy in london about was the hope that things would just go towards an open standard (not likely)
cant say i've ever been accused of not knowing how the pc gaming industry works... pretty entertaining to be on the other side of this stuff haha.
I like that gif, now show me what you are capable of. You cookie cutter mother fucker, you're just like the rest of these dudes safe moist as dudes.MmmSkyscraper said:
Steve Gibson said:indeed, friends lists being cross compatible is a key component.
what i was talking to that press guy in london about was the hope that things would just go towards an open standard (not likely)
cant say i've ever been accused of not knowing how the pc gaming industry works... pretty entertaining to be on the other side of this stuff haha.
I <3 Memes said:Also, just in case you didn't pick up on it in this thread, Gamespy has always sucked and will always suck. Could you please pass that on to whoever needs to hear that at Gearbox. Thanks.
Any truly unified and ubiquitous gaming community protocol would have to be OS wide, and that's not likely given how hard MS has dropped the ball lately with GFWL and PC gaming in general. At the rate they're going Apple is going to beat them to it.Steve Gibson said:Zzoram,
i'd appreciate the benefit of the doubt given my history in pc gaming. i've been to a couple rodeos.
i would agree that if i was not aware of DoW2 and how they managed things that would be pretty surprising. you're right.
yes there are ways around the whole thing but it's all hackery trying to get around things and guys who arent as tech savvy can end up having a hard time.
i didnt think when i was talking to the guy that my mentioning that was even worth a news item. of course all gamers want the easiest and simplest method to find their friends online and play together. a unified protocol would make that easier.
Randy Pitchford's beef with Valve is basically this:Gully State said:not really... the PC version was basically a straight console port with gamespy tacked on despite them touting otherwise.
What's Gearbox's beef with Valve in the first place? This isn't the first time they've called out Steam in a ridiculous manner.
Steve Gibson said:yes there are ways around the whole thing but it's all hackery trying to get around things and guys who arent as tech savvy can end up having a hard time.
ShockingAlberto said:Randy Pitchford's beef with Valve is basically this:
1) Valve is going to release, let's say, Half-Left 4 Dead: Portal to the Team Fortress Strike, in 2010.
2) Gearbox is going to release Borderlands 2: Even More Boring, six months before that. Since it has a PC port, Take Two has decided to put Even More Boring on Steam.
3) So EMB sells gangbusters on Steam, netting a good profit for Take Two, and Valve takes a cut.
4) Pitchford argues that the money from Borderlands 2 is going to go in to the development or marketing budgets for their next ultra-game six months down the line. So when Gearbox releases Borderlands 2 DLC, probably about chimps flinging shit at each other, around the same time Valve is releasing their game, Valve gets a leg up off Pitchford's work with Borderlands 2.
Boonoo said:Gearbox is the last developer that should be telling people how to streamline online play.
Randy Pitchford: The first thing is that we author our content on the PC. With Borderlands, were not porting the game to the PC, were starting there. The PC is our development platform.
ShockingAlberto said:Randy Pitchford's beef with Valve is basically this:
1) Valve is going to release, let's say, Half-Left 4 Dead: Portal to the Team Fortress Strike, in 2010.
2) Gearbox is going to release Borderlands 2: Even More Boring, six months before that. Since it has a PC port, Take Two has decided to put Even More Boring on Steam.
3) So EMB sells gangbusters on Steam, netting a good profit for Take Two, and Valve takes a cut.
4) Pitchford argues that the money from Borderlands 2 is going to go in to the development or marketing budgets for their next ultra-game six months down the line. So when Gearbox releases Borderlands 2 DLC, probably about chimps flinging shit at each other, around the same time Valve is releasing their game, Valve gets a leg up off Pitchford's work with Borderlands 2.
Wait hold onI <3 Memes said:Your tag is wildly inappropriate.
I'm sorry if you didnt like Borderlands but most people who played it loved it. A flawed game yes, but it got more than enough right to be called a AAA game.
And while the game itself may be a port I appreciate that Gearbox didn't just paste console controls onto a mouse like far too many games have lately. Borderlands has some damn satisfying shooting going for it.
I <3 Memes said:Your tag is wildly inappropriate.
I'm sorry if you didnt like Borderlands but most people who played it loved it. A flawed game yes, but it got more than enough right to be called a AAA game.
And while the game itself may be a port I appreciate that Gearbox didn't just paste console controls onto a mouse like far too many games have lately. Borderlands has some damn satisfying shooting going for it.
Steve Gibson said:Gully State
i am just your typical fresh out of school yuppy suit who somehow got a marketing job so my being out of touch is a given
Interesting read. Thought this part was fucked up...Kintaro said:This.
I know Randy didn't say all this crap, but until PC gamers get an apology for being lied to with developer double speak...
Gearbox can take their games and eat it.
WTF? :lolRandyPitchford: Ill tell you what. Steam helps. As a guy in this industry though, I dont trust Valve.
MaximumPC: Because theyre competitors?
RandyPitchford: Right.
MaximumPC: You guys have worked with them a lot!
RandyPitchford: I know. And I, personally, trust Valve. But Im just saying, honestly, I think a lot of the industry doesnt.
ShockingAlberto said:Wait hold on
Are you saying I'm unreasonable because I did not like Borderlands and was poking a bit of fun at it?
Or that I misrepresented Pitchford's argument somehow?
No, you're right, if they did that you might be able to use the mouse wheel in the UI.I <3 Memes said:Gearbox didn't just paste console controls onto a mouse
Fredescu said:No, you're right, if they did that you might be able to use the mouse wheel in the UI.
Steve Gibson said:yes there are ways around the whole thing but it's all hackery trying to get around things and guys who arent as tech savvy can end up having a hard time.
Steve Gibson said:of course all gamers want the easiest and simplest method to find their friends online and play together. a unified protocol would make that easier.
Except GFWL made the game so cumbersome to play that Relic wants to get rid of GFWL from all its future titles.Sinatar said:This seems like nonsense. Hell Dawn of War 2 is both GFWL AND Steamworks at the same time and works fine regardless of where you buy it.
Fredescu said:No, you're right, if they did that you might be able to use the mouse wheel in the UI.
THQ, Bethseda... everyone is ditching GFWL, I think the only company that is using it is Codemasters >.< maybe Batman 2 will use it again...JWong said:Except GFWL made the game so cumbersome to play that Relic wants to get rid of GFWL from all its future titles.
Rainier said:Interesting read. Thought this part was fucked up...
WTF? :lol
Alternatively, I'm taking it as somebody who is crazy, yet realizes that he has no rational basis for his craziness.Jintor said:As a competitor, he doesn't trust Valve. As a person, he does.
That's what I'm getting out of it. Accuracy... debatable. :/
shagg_187 said:I like that gif, now show me what you are capable of. You cookie cutter mother fucker, you're just like the rest of these dudes safe moist as dudes.
ghst said:while i appreciate the effort from some developers to keep the libertarian banner of pc gaming flying high, i can barely think of a rational reason why anyone (who doesn't already have in a dog in the fight) publishing a pc game with any clout wouldn't just implement steamworks on a whim.
i mean, pros:
free.
no day 0 piracy.
integrated community.
multiplayer backend.
single unified, instantly updatable version.
bunch of shit off your mind.
cons:
might piss off brad wardell and joseph merrick.
doesn't give you asperger points.
selling out to the man.
ShockingAlberto said:Randy Pitchford's beef with Valve is basically this:
1) Valve is going to release, let's say, Half-Left 4 Dead: Portal to the Team Fortress Strike, in 2010.
2) Gearbox is going to release Borderlands 2: Even More Boring, six months before that. Since it has a PC port, Take Two has decided to put Even More Boring on Steam.
3) So EMB sells gangbusters on Steam, netting a good profit for Take Two, and Valve takes a cut.
4) Pitchford argues that the money from Borderlands 2 is going to go in to the development or marketing budgets for their next ultra-game six months down the line. So when Gearbox releases Borderlands 2 DLC, probably about chimps flinging shit at each other, around the same time Valve is releasing their game, Valve gets a leg up off Pitchford's work with Borderlands 2.
You can add Mafia II to your list. I don't really notice it outside the menus in first person games, but third person games like Mafia II and Dead Space, yikes. Controller time.I <3 Memes said:Valid complaint. But not being able to use a mouse wheel isnt as bad as the pathetic mouse controls of Oblivion, Fallout 3, Rainbow 6 Vegas 1 and 2, GRAW 1 and 2, Bioshock 1 and 2, Dead Space, and many many many more games that make a mouse feel like its a string tied to a consoles thumbstick.
BobsRevenge said:Valve never admitted that Opposing Force was better than HL.
Zzoram said:Then why doesn't he have the same beef with Microsoft and Sony for taking a cut from his games for being on their platforms and using that money to develop first party games that compete with his games?
RandyPitchford: Ill tell you what. Steam helps. As a guy in this industry though, I dont trust Valve.
MaximumPC: Because theyre competitors?
RandyPitchford: Right.
MaximumPC: You guys have worked with them a lot!
RandyPitchford: I know. And I, personally, trust Valve. But Im just saying, honestly, I think a lot of the industry doesnt.
Zzoram said:Valve has done nothing to hurt the competitiveness of 3rd party FPS games on the Steam platform, in fact just the opposite. They have offered those 3rd parties every advertising tool on Steam that they use for their own games (pre-order beta, 4-pack, big splash page ad on launch day, free trial weekends) in addition to offering a ton of useful integrated free services that consumers want. Launching a new game on the front page of Steam probably helps to sell more copies than all the banner ads on all the game news websites combined. They don't even require patch validation like Microsoft does, so they are way friendlier for developers.
But that's not enough for Gearbox. They are fighting for consumers (even though consumers overwhelmingly voted with their wallets for Steamworks over all other solutions) by providing PC ports with such excellent interfaces that make you use PgUp and PgDn instead of a scrollwheel.
markot said:EA isnt though for some reason >.< Sims 3 still isnt available on Steam!