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Randam · Oct 19, 2015

german source only so far: http://www.computerbase.de/2015-10/...errt-geheimtipp-cpus-fuer-desktop-chipsaetze/

a lot of people, at least in germany, were buying Xeon CPUs as an alternative to the i7 CPUs and were using them with normal h97 socket boards.

now, if you want to use the new Xeon CPUs it seems like you need the special C232 or C236 boards.

you need boards that aren't avaible yet and will come with a lot of stuff most people won't need and there for will be more expensive.

AMD really has to step up their game with Zen.

Danj · Oct 19, 2015

I'm confused, when have Xeons ever been compatible with consumer grade chipsets? I thought they always had a different number of pins?

GhostTrick · Oct 19, 2015

Randam said:
german source only so far: http://www.computerbase.de/2015-10/...errt-geheimtipp-cpus-fuer-desktop-chipsaetze/

a lot of people, at least in germany, were buying Xeon CPUs as an alternative to the i7 CPUs and were using the with normal z97 or h97 socket boards.

now, if you want to use the new Xeon CPUs it seems like you need the special C232 or C236 boards.

those boards aren't avaible yet and will come with a lot of stuff most people won't need.

AMD really has to step up their game with Zen.

Why ?

Pathfinder · Oct 19, 2015

New server CPU's only working with server motherboards.

Truly shocking.

DownGrader · Oct 19, 2015

Why should they?

Randam said:
a lot of people, at least in germany, were buying Xeon CPUs as an alternative to the i7 CPUs and were using the with normal z97 or h97 socket boards

*scratches head*

chromatic9 · Oct 19, 2015

Shame as it was also popular here in the UK to buy a Xeon. Even today the x58 Xeon's sell well. Fun while it lasted.

Transistor · Oct 19, 2015

chromatic9 said:
Shame as it was also popular here in the UK to buy a Xeon. Even today the x58 Xeon's sell well. Fun while it lasted.

But why?

NeOak · Oct 19, 2015

GhostTrick said:
Why ?

Pathfinder said:
New server CPU's only working with server motherboards.

Truly shocking.

DownGrader said:
Why should they?

*scratches head*

Exact same die.

The Xeons are better bins, so they can run cooler and use less power too.

Also, similar price for a better binned chip.

Vaettir · Oct 19, 2015

GhostTrick said:
Why ?

The Consumer grade Xeon's were on par with many i5's and i7's. Particularly the 1230 and 1245. These were often sold cheaper than the non-K i7's and had similar features and performance.

Tacklemacain · Oct 19, 2015

GhostTrick said:
Why ?

If you don`t want to overclock your CPU, a Xeon is almost as good as an i7, but it costs 50-100 less.

Hesemonni · Oct 19, 2015

Transistor said:
But why?

Cheaper than equally performing i7.

PantsuJo · Oct 19, 2015

Why use a Xeon CPU to play?
It's like using the NVIDIA Quadro GPUs for PC gaming but they are specialized for rendering and poor optimized for other jobs.

kpeezy · Oct 19, 2015

lol, first four posts in a row.

Transistor · Oct 19, 2015

Tacklemacain said:
If you don`t want to overclock your CPU, a Xeon is almost as good as an i7, but it costs 50-100 less.

Hesemonni said:
Cheaper than equally performing i7.

Ah, that makes sense.

BlastProcessing · Oct 19, 2015

DownGrader said:
Why should they?

*scratches head*

Because those Xeons were basically i7 cpus minus integrated graphics. You are going to have a graphics card on a gaming pc anyway. The Xeon gave you i7 performance at i5 prices. The extra cpu power is especially useful if you want to stream.

PantsuJo said:
Why use a Xeon CPU to play?
It's like using the NVIDIA Quadro GPUs for PC gaming but they are specialized for rendering and poor optimized for other jobs.

No, the Xeons in question are literally i7 CPUs minus integrated graphics.

blu · Oct 19, 2015

GhostTrick said:
Why ?

Easier to find, often cheaper than same-specced consumer counterparts, ECC RAM support.

Randam said:
okay, seems like you always needed special sockets.

E3 Xeons always used the consumer sockets.

/sent from my E3-1270

Randam · Oct 19, 2015

you could use the Xeon E3-1231 v3 with a H97 board.

GhostTrick said:
Why ?

i7 performance for i5 prices.

Pathfinder · Oct 19, 2015

BlastProcessing said:
Because those Xeons were basically i7 cpus minus integrated graphics. You are going to have a graphics card on a gaming pc anyway. The Xeon gave you i7 performance at i5 prices. The extra cpu power is especially useful if you want to stream.

No, the Xeons in question are literally i7 CPUs minus integrated graphics.

Are you sure that's the only difference?

Drame · Oct 19, 2015

Randam said:
okay, seems like you always needed special sockets.
text made it seem like, that was something new.
am confused a little.

Not really. Currently rocking Xeon 1230v3 on a normal H87 board.

Sometimes it feels like Xeon cpu's are the best kept secret in pc gaming.

Randam · Oct 19, 2015

Drame said:
Not really. Currently rocking Xeon 1230v3 on a normal H87 board.

Sometimes it feels like Xeon cpu's are the best kept secret in pc gaming.

yeah, searched a little bit.

old xeon works with "normal" H87 or 97 boards.
now you'll need more expensive server-boards.

Vaettir · Oct 19, 2015

Pathfinder said:
Are you sure that's the only difference?

He's not wrong about it. But lack of quick sync is kind of a hit and miss to some streamers. Spec wise, there is virtually nothing different side from ECC support, binned chips, and lack of integrated graphics.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/417/Intel_Core_i7_i7-4790_vs_Intel_Xeon_E3-1230_v3.html

Randam said:
yeah, searched a little bit.

old xeon works with "normal" H87 or 97 boards.
now you'll need more expensive server-boards.

Most motherboards support Xeon's as long as you update the bios and check for CPU compatibility.

blu · Oct 19, 2015

Actually the worst part of this news is that there won't be AVX-3 in the consumer space anytime soon. Good job, Intel.

BlastProcessing · Oct 19, 2015

Pathfinder said:
Are you sure that's the only difference?

Yes. There are (or were) two types to CPUs branded Xeon. The ones that use the LGA1150 Socket are i7s without integrated graphics. These were Xeon E3s. Xeon E5s are the ones that use the LGA2011 socket and are more specialized.

The Xeon E3s where a great deal for a gaming PC.

petran79 · Oct 19, 2015

PantsuJo said:
Why use a Xeon CPU to play?
It's like using the NVIDIA Quadro GPUs for PC gaming but they are specialized for rendering and poor optimized for other jobs.

You can also hack consumer Nvidias to behave like Quadro GPUs

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/h...s/?PHPSESSID=02cb2b37aeab27172a88f4684dcb8c51

aeolist · Oct 19, 2015

xeons have been compatible with consumer chipsets for years now, and were often a better value in the low and mid range

kabel · Oct 19, 2015

I use a Xeon E3-1230v3 myself, such a good price/perf ratio. Basically an i7 4770 without the iGPU and 50€ cheaper. (when I bought it 2 years ago)

Such a shame it's not an option with Skylake anymore.

another source: http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Skylake-S-Codename-260925/News/Xeon-E3-1230-v5-Testlabor-1174932/

PantsuJo said:
Why use a Xeon CPU to play?
It's like using the NVIDIA Quadro GPUs for PC gaming but they are specialized for rendering and poor optimized for other jobs.

lol, what? They are the same chips, which are used for the i5/i7...atleast the E3 Xeons.

KimonoNoNo · Oct 19, 2015

Danj said:
I'm confused, when have Xeons ever been compatible with consumer grade chipsets? I thought they always had a different number of pins?

I run a xeon x5675 (6core/12 thread) on a Asus x58 rampage II mildly overclocked to 4ghz. Great little cpu dirt cheap 2nd hand, but the price of compatible x58 boards is getting rather silly now.

But if you've got a i7 920/930 it's well worth the upgrade.

notoriousKTR · Oct 19, 2015

Pathfinder said:
Are you sure that's the only difference?

The newer Xeons have little to no overclocking capability.

Cizeta-Moroder · Oct 19, 2015

PantsuJo said:
Why use a Xeon CPU to play?
It's like using the NVIDIA Quadro GPUs for PC gaming but they are specialized for rendering and poor optimized for other jobs.

That's funny because rendering is a job that is very relevant in gaming.
As others mentioned, the Xeons in question offered good bang for buck, partly because they lacked the IGP that is useless to many.

blu · Oct 19, 2015

notoriousKTR said:
The newer Xeons have little to no overclocking capability.

Also some of them have IGPs. But that's practically irrelevant.

Jukulmolder · Oct 19, 2015

Reminds me of the HM70 chipset "only pentium/celeron supported". Pity you won't find any decent AMD cpu on laptops.

Durante · Oct 19, 2015

That sucks, if you weren't going to overclock those were great deals.

Kronik · Oct 19, 2015

When was the last time Xeons were worth it over an i7 or even an i5? What sort of deals could you get?

I mean, it's obviously a nonsense, why would it be so cheap without some specific deal or whatever? As far as I know from my pro tuner friends the last time that made sense was during the Nehalem era, and even then, only some specific models.

EdwardTeach · Oct 19, 2015

Danj said:
I'm confused, when have Xeons ever been compatible with consumer grade chipsets? I thought they always had a different number of pins?

I have a xeon x5670 in a x58 motherboard. It cost about £60 (would be even cheaper if I sold on my i7 930). Best value upgrade ever, 50% more cores, faster and cooler.

kabel · Oct 19, 2015

Kronik said:
When was the last time Xeons were worth it over an i7 or even an i5? What sort of deals could you get?

I mean, it's obviously a nonsense, why would it be so cheap without some specific deal or whatever? As far as I know from my pro tuner friends the last time that made sense was during the Nehalem era, and even then, only some specific models.

I bought my 1230v3 for 205€. 4C/8T without iGPU@3,3Ghz with boost to 3,7Ghz.
The same performance as an i7 4770 non K.

Today you pay 200€ for an i5....

Durante · Oct 19, 2015

Kronik said:
When was the last time Xeons were worth it over an i7 or even an i5?

The E3-1231 v3 was released in mid-2014. It was equivalent to an i7 which was ~25% more expensive, just without the iGPU.

blu · Oct 19, 2015

kabel said:
I bought my 1230v3 for 205€. 4C/8T without iGPU@3,3Ghz with boost to 3,7Ghz.
The same performance as an i7 4770 non K.

Today you pay 200€ for an i5....

4770 is 3.4 - 3.9GHz. But otherwise you're right - Xeons have been good deals for anybody who don't plant to overclock. Actually that has kept their prices down, so to speak.

Tacklemacain · Oct 19, 2015

Last year Intel said, that the customer should decide if he wants a Xeon or Core CPU. And the only diference between them ist the iGPU, which most gamer don`t even use.

Full interview: http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-Hardware-154106/Specials/Interview-mit-Intel-zum-Erfolg-des-Xeon-E3-1230-v3-1111835/

blu · Oct 19, 2015

Tacklemacain said:
Last year Intel said, that the customer should decide if he wants a Xeon or Core CPU. And the only diference between them ist the iGPU, which most gamer don`t even use.

Full interview: http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-Hardware-154106/Specials/Interview-mit-Intel-zum-Erfolg-des-Xeon-E3-1230-v3-1111835/

There are many things that will change from 'things Intel said during past years' - Tick-Tock, margins, etc. Intel is slowly retreating to their citadel and barricading the doors.

lmimmfn · Oct 19, 2015

EdwardTeach said:
I have a xeon x5670 in a x58 motherboard. It cost about £60 (would be even cheaper if I sold on my i7 930). Best value upgrade ever, 50% more cores, faster and cooler.

rocking a Xeon x5650 here, cost 80euro, 6 cores/12 threads, overclocks well beyond my old i7 920, running it overclocked at 4.4Ghz 24/7 and temps only hit 65C( compared to 87C on my 920@3.8Ghz )

Its a real shame if Intel prevent them working on consumer chipsets, where theyre advantageous as like what happened with X58 mobos, if you keep the same PC for a few years, server farms will be upgrading servers in bulk and there will be tonnes of older Xeon CPU's for dirt cheap on ebay. Also great if your old cpu bites the dust.

ZOONAMI · Oct 19, 2015

Glad I'm rocking a 1231v3! Seriously microcenter sells them for $209. Makes absolutely no sense to buy a 4790.

ZOONAMI · Oct 19, 2015

notoriousKTR said:
The newer Xeons have little to no overclocking capability.

You can bclk oc to get 200mhz+ more out of them, not really worth it though. I just have my 1231v3 set so all 4 cores boost to 3.8ghz.

Gruso · Oct 19, 2015

Educational thread! Shame I'm so late to the party, but I am running an older mobo with a non-K i5, so maybe it's worth doing some homework...

Orayn · Oct 20, 2015

Had no idea this was still a thing. Takes me back to the early days of AMD dual cores when people were getting Opterons and overclocking since there was a decent chance your $200 Opteron would beat a $450 Athlon X2 4400+.

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