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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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do the Commander 2016 spoilers start dropping tomorrow?
I'm currently eyeing either a Narset spell-recycling deck (Mizzix is probably far stronger but he's boring, too popular, specificially designed for EDH and also sort of hated, as far as I can tell) or a Alesha creature recursion and token deck, or both at some point. If any of the new commanders happen to support the playstyles I'm looking for, I might go 4-colors
I'm currently eyeing either a Narset spell-recycling deck (Mizzix is probably far stronger but he's boring, too popular, specificially designed for EDH and also sort of hated, as far as I can tell) or a Alesha creature recursion and token deck, or both at some point. If any of the new commanders happen to support the playstyles I'm looking for, I might go 4-colors
blindrocket
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And everyone saw that coming whenever those cards were spoiled. Why doesn't WotC seem to care?
Yes. Tomorrow. If you think Mizzix is hated, as soon as people see Narset they'll be gunning for you with the hatred of a thousand Trumps. I have an Alesha deck and I love it!
blindrocket
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Yes, yes they do.
I'm hoping to get my Leovold deck finished soon, which would be my first Commander that was designed for... Commander.
Though I got to play Daretti a couple of weeks ago and wow was he a blast to play! However that version of him really made a long game. Stax with land destruction.
I haven't played Oloro Enchantments in a long time just because I didn't have a clear cut win condition.
Lastly, my Prossh deck is a favorite, mostly built for 1 vs 1 (Duel/French) Commander but can do some work in multiplayer as well.
Narset is 6 mana though, and needs to attack. Jeleva for example looks like an all-around better commander
Alesha is pretty awesome. I hate decks that need to win early game or run out of steam quickly, but with Assemble the Legion, Mardu Ascendancy, all the repeatable graveyard recursion effects from white and black and lots of cheap token creators like Hanweir Garrison and Hero of Bladehold I feel there's viable deck here that doesn't just fold after the first boardwipe. Plus, I think it would be cool to play a deck that focuses on the low-cost minions
What? Jeleva also needs to attack to do anything unless you somehow want to mill your opponents. You can't really build around her ability either. Grixis needs some better commanders. They all suck except for Nekusar.
Infinite Stars
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Assemble the Legion+ Descent into Madness is one of, if not the best stupid combo in Mardu Commander You have Assemble out first, then Descent, then stack the triggers so Assemble resolves first, saccing all the tokens to Descent.
I've heard it been dubbed as the Zapp Brannigan approach, where you overwhelm your opponents by just grinding them to death with a bunch of Soldiers.
yeah, but she's four mana, flying, and you get to choose from a much larger pool of cards on every attack
though you'd need to find a way to re-cast her repeatedly to really make her viable I guess, and she doesn't have the hexproof
I didn't think of that but you're right, it seems pretty easy to create infinite combos with her
SigmasonicX
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I was just listening to Drive to Work - Top 20 Creature Types, and MaRo mentioned as an aside that Mirri (the leonin) was killed off in the Weatherlight Saga because the people handling the story after him didn't like her. Did we know that? I don't think we knew that.
divisionbyzorro
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The current rules for what is and isn't bribery are such a clusterfuck.
Sure, but Become Immense is still the better target because of its ability to kill out of nowhere
phazedplasma
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My game day was dead too.
I don't think the standard changes will make any difference. It's still gonna be expensive.
I don't think the standard changes will make any difference. It's still gonna be expensive.
Since when?Mizzix is a she
I have been thinking about getting back in to Modern but this meta is ridiculous. Everything is just hyperaggro. Hard control is so dead.
Edit: I've been reading up on Esper Draw-Go Control but that deck sounds extremely hard to pilot with so little payoff for mastering it.
That's not Niv-Mizzix
SigmasonicX
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The leader of Izzet is named Niv-Mizzet.
Ha, this is over a typo.
Mizzix is a she. Niv-Mizzet is a he. OP was clearly referring to the latter.
No, he was obviously referring to mizzix. Nothing of what he said applies to Niv-mizzet.
blindrocket
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I think that you may be a little confused.
Violet and Mox were both referring to the Commander Mizzix.
Infinite Stars
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Niv Mizzet wasn't clearly designed for commander, nor does he draw the levels of hate as Mizzix.
OP clearly meant Mizzix.
I am old, Niv-Mizzet used to be a popular commander.
GregLombardi
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Oh wow, BG delirium takes GP providence. I was too busy doing side events there to notice.
blindrocket
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I caught the non-gameplay trailer for Dishonored 2 tonight, and thought how cool that would be for a Magic setting. The art direction looked fantastic. Though it does have some guns...
FreedomFrisbee
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We know that Maro almost left the company over losing control of the weatherlight saga.
charlequin
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Because they don't design for Modern, they can always ban stuff later if they need to, and players as a whole are noticeably more whiny than is really constructive about format balance?
I mean the Creative team writing the Weatherlight Saga after they yanked it from Rosewater were sub-incompetent tier so this doesn't particularly surprise me any extra?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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You need to stop brushing aside arguments and opinions as whiny.
I had a Twin deck and 2/3s of a Pod deck when they got banned. I am ok with the financial loss I suffered. But two years ago when I was looking to get into the format, I could choose from UWR control, Twin, Pod, Burn, Scapeshift, Abzan, Affinity, Tron, Infect and maybe even Bogles and Storm. Compare that to what we have today with control dead and combo barely alive. It's just aggro and more aggro.
Like I said above, I want to get back into the format but as someone who started this hobby two years ago with Esper Control in Standard, the current top tier Modern decks do not interest me in the slightest.
There are a lot of viable archetypes, Bant Spirits just won the SCG Open and it's not even tier 3. I do think that there are a few decks that are too good (Infect, Dredge mostly, and Bant Eldrazi could become a problem if it keeps growing) and a couple of bans/unbans would be helpful.
charlequin
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I'm not talking about any particular argument here. WotC is always going to be inclined to ignore what people say about format balance because the communities that exist, in aggregate, across multiple distinct positions, are going to mostly present unbalanced positions lacking perspective or patience. The way people freak out about whatever new Standard card is apparently good each season is one aspect of this, just like the people who can't let it go when their pet card gets banned contribute from the opposite side.
The point is, if you want to ask why no one at WotC seems to care that Cathartic Reunion is good in Modern Dredge, a large part of it is that people's vocalized opinions really are irrelevant compared to the types of data they actually base these decisions on.
Like the sort of data they used while waiting years before banning Twin which they had only reprinted in a premium set just months before?
Infinite Stars
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I mean, I think it's fair to say that Wizards isn't managing Modern as well as they could be, all things considered, but I'm not quite sure that they want to. I mean, my biggest issue is still that Wizards tries to set up these rules to guide the format but they seem to half ass the rules implementation. They say they don't want cheap/free spells in Modern, while we have Kamikazoo running effectively a 48 card deck because of the number of "free" cycling effects it has. They say that they don't want fast mana(and have banned every good ritual), but they continue to allow SSG. They've said they don't want any decks winning before turn 4 if they can't be interacted with, but Infect is at the point where it's getting consistent enough turn 2/3 kills even with removal by the opponent. They've said that they don't want too strong of card selection in Modern(Hence why Dig is banned), but Ancient Stirrings is a 1-Mana mini-dig for Eldrazi.
I mean if the goal is to make Modern be accessible from both Standard and more "balanced" then Legacy, then you'd think they'd at least try to keep the rules they've made somewhat intact, but they feel more like generic guidelines.
Granted, the Modern Meta is becoming somewhat cyclical, but the issue seems to be less " Which archetype is good" and more "What deck are people cutting sideboard hate for". Between Dredge and Affinity you've got anywhere from 4-8 sideboard slots taken up permanently. Granted, some of the anti-Dredge stuff stops other cards, but Affinity hate cards don't really do much in other matchups. These cards can be such a game changer that your win chance goes up drastically if you can open with them to the point where some view mulling for them to be crucial to victory.
I mean, is Modern bad right now? No, but it could be better.
I mean if the goal is to make Modern be accessible from both Standard and more "balanced" then Legacy, then you'd think they'd at least try to keep the rules they've made somewhat intact, but they feel more like generic guidelines.
Granted, the Modern Meta is becoming somewhat cyclical, but the issue seems to be less " Which archetype is good" and more "What deck are people cutting sideboard hate for". Between Dredge and Affinity you've got anywhere from 4-8 sideboard slots taken up permanently. Granted, some of the anti-Dredge stuff stops other cards, but Affinity hate cards don't really do much in other matchups. These cards can be such a game changer that your win chance goes up drastically if you can open with them to the point where some view mulling for them to be crucial to victory.
I mean, is Modern bad right now? No, but it could be better.
Twin was a case of "we know we need to ban it but are saving it until the PT hits".
It becoming a package rather than a standalone deck is when they finally realized how bad it was to have in the format.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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This would have been a way better playmate.
If only this had been an instant.Reddit said:
divisionbyzorro
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The bannings will continue until morale improves.
Wulfric
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Ugh, last day of SCG was terrible. I lost all 3 rounds of my modern challenge, earned no prize tickets the entire weekend. I knew I'd be losing all my legacy games, but modern too? Good grief.
I don't know, maybe I'm not as good as I thought. I'm kind of considering moving into a different modern deck now that my current one looks to be outdated. Legacy is just going to to take some time to learn. Port is a lot of fun to use, imo.
Holy moly lots of dredge in the top 32 of modern.
I don't know, maybe I'm not as good as I thought. I'm kind of considering moving into a different modern deck now that my current one looks to be outdated. Legacy is just going to to take some time to learn. Port is a lot of fun to use, imo.
Holy moly lots of dredge in the top 32 of modern.
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